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India cannot sustain in Afghanistan on its own.. Wasn't India hand-in-hands with Russia the moment they were there in Afghanistan? Could India stay when Russians withdrew?

There was no Indian presence back then in Afghanistan.

Also American presence in Afghanistan is the same as Indian presence in Afghanistan.. I don't think Pakistan would allow Indians to stay after Americans are no more.

Its not for you to decide. You can't control your own territory, leave out the dreams of controlling Afghanistan.

If USA and USSR are not able to do it, you are surely not up to it.
 
OK. If it has come to this already, then so be it.

The American policies towards Pakistan and ISI are making the lives of their soldiers fighting in our neighbourhood more dangerous by every passing day. Good luck
 
There was no Indian presence back then in Afghanistan.

In 1979, it was one of the few countries to support the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan - a decision which made the country vastly unpopular in that country.

A decade later, it continued to back the Communist-regime of President Najibullah, while Pakistan threw its entire support behind the ethnic Pashtun mujahideen warlords, particularly the Islamist Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.
Source: BBC NEWS | South Asia | India renews historic Afghan ties

Its not for you to decide. You can't control your own territory, leave out the dreams of controlling Afghanistan.
If USA and USSR are not able to do it, you are surely not up to it.

We know how to handle with Afghans and this is something which Russians, Indians and Americans do not. We have defeated an empire in Afghanistan before and we are going to defeat another one soon. I know you guys don't like that but sorry but one has to live with reality.
 
In 1979, it was one of the few countries to support the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan - a decision which made the country vastly unpopular in that country.

A decade later, it continued to back the Communist-regime of President Najibullah, while Pakistan threw its entire support behind the ethnic Pashtun mujahideen warlords, particularly the Islamist Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.
Source: BBC NEWS | South Asia | India renews historic Afghan ties
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The Himalayan Times : India looks to revive Northern Alliance with Russia, Iran - Detail News : Nepal News Portal

Where does it say that India was present in Afghanistan?

We may have supported the communist regime, doesn't mean we were physically there!

Now, the Afghans would have realized that it was a much better option compared to the warlords and the Talibunnies.

We know how to handle with Afghans and this is something which Russians, Indians and Americans do not. We have defeated an empire in Afghanistan before and we are going to defeat another one soon. I know you guys don't like that but sorry but one has to live with reality.

Any specifics? Which empire? When?
 
We know how to handle with Afghans and this is something which Russians, Indians and Americans do not. We have defeated an empire in Afghanistan before and we are going to defeat another one soon. I know you guys don't like that but sorry but one has to live with reality.

You have Defeated Not one but two empires, One of Afghanistan and one of Pakistan by Creating a baby Sitting Organization called Taliban...
 
In 1979, it was one of the few countries to support the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan - a decision which made the country vastly unpopular in that country.

A decade later, it continued to back the Communist-regime of President Najibullah, while Pakistan threw its entire support behind the ethnic Pashtun mujahideen warlords, particularly the Islamist Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.
Source: BBC NEWS | South Asia | India renews historic Afghan ties

Completely wrong, India never supported the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan nor even Soviet interference into Afghan internal Affairs. in 1979, Morarji Desai was the PM till July 79 and he criticized the overthrow of the local communist govt. by Soviet minders and asked USSR to refrain from interfering in Afghanistan ON Soviet soil.
Again in 1980, India formally asked USSR to withdraw its troops after the invasion taking a position against the troop involvement in Afghanistan by USSR.

Read this article in 1980 edition of Washington Post where the Indian move was seen as a surprise because India-Soviet relations had been close.

Lewiston Morning Tribune - Google News Archive Search

We know how to handle with Afghans and this is something which Russians, Indians and Americans do not. We have defeated an empire in Afghanistan before and we are going to defeat another one soon. I know you guys don't like that but sorry but one has to live with reality.

Pakistan never had friendly relations with Afghanistan. It was the only country to vote AGAINST Pakistan being recognized as an independent nation in the UN in 1948.

Since its independence Afghanistan has been hostile to Pakistan, weather it be under the Monarchy, the revolutionary government, the communist government or now.

Only the Taliban period gave Pakistan a psychological feeling of security and that too it was more about the Taliban gaining strategic depth in Pakistan rather than the other way around. You can read up on the economic and security losses due extremism and smuggling Pakistan suffered in the 1990s.

India on the other hand has always had favorable relations from the time of Zahir Shah till Najibullah the last ruler who could have saved Afghanistan from tearing itself apart in ethnic and religious extremism that followed. For a brief period, in the 1990s, Taliban had major influence in most of Afghanistan, but Iran, Central Asian countries and even Turkey to an extent worked with India to support the Northern Alliance and leaders like Ahmed Shah Mehsood, the person who played a major role in kicking out the Soviets without any CIA sponsored Pakistani help and currently decorated as the national hero of Pakistan.

Post 2001, the balance was restored to its historical context where India had good relations with Afghanistan.
 
Damn, most Pakistanis here are treating Afghanistan as their colony. Shouldn't it be left to the AFGHANS to decide who they do or do not want to be friends with?

And then they express anger and surprise when most of the world (oh .. Sorry.. India and large parts of West ;) ) hold them responsible for terrorist problems in the region and club their Military organizations with terrorist outfits.. :disagree:
 
In 1979, it was one of the few countries to support the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan - a decision which made the country vastly unpopular in that country.

A decade later, it continued to back the Communist-regime of President Najibullah, while Pakistan threw its entire support behind the ethnic Pashtun mujahideen warlords, particularly the Islamist Gulbuddin Hekmatyar.
Source: BBC NEWS | South Asia | India renews historic Afghan ties



We know how to handle with Afghans and this is something which Russians, Indians and Americans do not. We have defeated an empire in Afghanistan before and we are going to defeat another one soon. I know you guys don't like that but sorry but one has to live with reality.

btw, Soviets got defeated in Afghanistan and got out.. Russia managed to recover and is doing pretty well now. However, Pakistan was not so smart at that time. You stayed on with Afghanistan obsession. And the result is for all to see mate. Your country is so messed up because of your fingers that are stuck in Afghanistan. You blame WoT for that.. But tell me, does Afghaninstan have only 1 border? Why arent any other of its neighbors burning up like Pakistan is.. ?? Think about it before the chest thumping about controlling Afghanistan. The way I look at it, its Afghanistan that has controlled Pakistan and its destiny in last few decades..
 
Seen purely from a Pakistani point of view, it is not something that is wrong that the ISI controls some of the terrorist organisations or has some influence on their activities.

Given the national aims, it is not always feasible to extend it through regulars and so irregulars are required who are not constricted by the niceties of warfare or human rights or political Goody Two Shoes actions.

And so a 'strategic weapon' like these terrorist organisations can yield rich dividends.

One has to consider the threat perception of Pakistan too, be it real or imagined.

The Pashtun movement is not a very comfortable situation, because there are those who are dreaming of Pakhtunkhwa and all that

Then there is, as per Pakistani perceptions, the live Indian threat.

Therefore, to keep these type of illegal organisation in check and under influence is a smart way to project Pakistan's National Aim.
 
And Brig Yousaf in this book Bear Trap has said so in uncertain terms.

He, in fact, armed, trained and coordinated the activities.

Hamid Gul is very fond of these organisations as is obvious by his comments and praise.
 
India cannot sustain in Afghanistan on its own.. Wasn't India hand-in-hands with Russia the moment they were there in Afghanistan? Could India stay when Russians withdrew?

Also American presence in Afghanistan is the same as Indian presence in Afghanistan.. I don't think Pakistan would allow Indians to stay after Americans are no more.

Do you think America would allow Taliban to come back to power in Afghanistan? Except for those terrorists nobody in Afghanistan likes you. We'll see about the bold part. One attack on our embassy could have multiplying effect on your country.
 
i dont know which Authority declared that, but it seems they are pissed off on something !:whistle:
 
Americans are either really stupid or really confused. If ISI is double-dealing with America(which makes some of my Indian friends here very jumpy for reasons unknown) and they have significant proof to back this claim. Then why is Centcom-Pak still functioning and acting ON INTEL PROVIDED BY THE ISI ?
 
It is alarming to see such a dichotomy in dealings of USA. Pakistan is the US partner in WoT and on the other hand ISI is treated as a terrorist organisation in line with organisations that are to be bombed to extinction.

Surprising but never the less unfortunate for Pakistan.
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Americans are either really stupid or really confused. If ISI is double-dealing with America(which makes some of my Indian friends here very jumpy for reasons unknown) and they have significant proof to back this claim. Then why is Centcom-Pak still functioning and acting ON INTEL PROVIDED BY THE ISI ?

Do you know about the depth of CIA network in Pakistan ? Does US really need ISI for intel? The answers atleast in my mind are not very clear.
 

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