Germany to promote automobile companies’ share in Pakistani market

[New World]

just import an A6, a mid-range factory new A6 will set you back about £55000 or ( 8721468.53 pkr, at todays rates)
is pakistan left hand drive or right hand drive?

right now import tax is very high to import brand new car.. can't afford it..
right hand

 

[Thorough Pro]

At least they are not cheating. VW programmed their car computers so that when the cars were being tested for emissions they detected it and gave false reports.

How emissions tests that exposed VW scandal were done - Technology & Science - CBC News

Volkswagen has apologized for selling hundreds of thousands of diesel cars in the U.S. with software specifically designed to evade government pollution tests.

Putting a price on Volkswagen’s emission-fraud mess: It’s going to cost them billions | Financial Post

Volkswagen isn’t the only carmaker with emissions trouble - Business Insider
They're still far better than the junk the Japanese are selling in PAK for past 20-30 years. abhi to yeh ajaein to bari baat hogi.

 

[Viper0011.]

Mian Arshad
Sunday, October 04, 2015 - Islamabad—Germany has shown great interest in promotion of German automobile products in Pakistani market.
Germany to promote automobile companies’ share in Pakistani market

Volkswagen and Volvo have been talking to the government of Pakistan for the past 6 months. Estimated start date in around 2018-2019 if everything works out.

But one thing is for sure, the Japanese cars are about to become "very modern". They watch the market, this will ruin their market share in Pakistan as VW and Volvo will introduce nice looking cars with advanced electronics in them. Japanese, due to their monopoly have been selling total CRAP cars to Pakistan for a very high price tag. IMO, majority of the vehicles, from a functionality and electronics standpoint, are close to the junk of the 90's. This news would serve as a wake up call to them.

More competition, more features for uses and vendors will provide higher quality and will compete for profits. The right way to do it

At least they are not cheating. VW programmed their car computers so that when the cars were being tested for emissions they detected it and gave false reports.

How emissions tests that exposed VW scandal were done - Technology & Science - CBC News

Putting a price on Volkswagen’s emission-fraud mess: It’s going to cost them billions | Financial Post

Its fine. If a company cheats like this, they lose billions too. Like VW is going to. And they'll sure lose market share. And some executives who know about it, will probably end up in a jail like the execs of Enron did. But overall, the US emission standards are much higher than majority of the countries out there. Pakistan might not have such high standards, which means, these cars should meet those easily. They still have to have basic German standards, which wold still be a LOT for Pakistan's environment.

 

[Thorough Pro]

You missed my point, it's not about emission standards but ethical. If they can lie and cheat their western brothers and in their "bread & Butter" market, where do we stand with total annual car sales less then 3~400k

Volkswagen and Volvo have been talking to the government of Pakistan for the past 6 months. Estimated start date in around 2018-2019 if everything works out.

But one thing is for sure, the Japanese cars are about to become "very modern". They watch the market, this will ruin their market share in Pakistan as VW and Volvo will introduce nice looking cars with advanced electronics in them. Japanese, due to their monopoly have been selling total CRAP cars to Pakistan for a very high price tag. IMO, majority of the vehicles, from a functionality and electronics standpoint, are close to the junk of the 90's. This news would serve as a wake up call to them.

More competition, more features for uses and vendors will provide higher quality and will compete for profits. The right way to do it



Its fine. If a company cheats like this, they lose billions too. Like VW is going to. And they'll sure lose market share. And some executives who know about it, will probably end up in a jail like the execs of Enron did. But overall, the US emission standards are much higher than majority of the countries out there. Pakistan might not have such high standards, which means, these cars should meet those easily. They still have to have basic German standards, which wold still be a LOT for Pakistan's environment.

 

[Viper0011.]

You missed my point, it's not about emission standards but ethical. If they can lie and cheat their western brothers and in their "bread & Butter" market, where do we stand with total annual car sales less then 3~400k

I did see your point. But what you don't understand is things like these happen. So in their history of whatever 50-80 years of car manufacturing, this one thing happened. So therefore, while every other country would appreciate their investment, but per you, Pakistan should just decline it???

Whether you buy 100 or a million cars, they still have to create a huge manufacturing industry in Pakistan to assemble cars, and that means thousands of jobs at all levels, and these Pakistani employees, will learn German tech and engineering which is one of the best ones out there.

Does it matter if there is a chance of them lying about it? If you catch them, send them to jail or ban them. But if not, why stop thousands of engineering and technology jobs that will eventually result in a Pakistani brand based on similar tech resembling latest German auto technologies?

At the least, they STILL have to meet the German emission standards, which are still WAY ahead of any Pakistan, India, or Chinese standards. Not sure why you people just have to be negative at everything!

 

[The Sandman]

I did see your point. But what you don't understand is things like these happen. So in their history of whatever 50-80 years of car manufacturing, this one thing happen. So therefore, every other country would appreciate their investment, but per you, Pakistan should just decline it???

Whether you buy 100 or a million cars, they still have to create a huge manufacturing industry in Pakistan to assemble cars, and that means thousands of jobs at all levels, and these Pakistani employees, will learn German tech. Does it matter if there is a chance of them lying about it? If you catch them, send them to jail or ban them. But if not, why stop thousands of engineering and technology jobs?

At the least, they STILL have to meet the German standards, which are still WAY ahead of any Pakistan, India, or Chinese standards. Not sure why you people just have to be negative at everything!

Ah at least someone understands this

 

[Viper0011.]

Ah at least someone understands this

I see you did justice to my post and very nicely, highlighted all the critical parts

 

[Thorough Pro]

the way I think, I would take it as "the thing that got caught".

Anyways, that should a learning and leverage for Pakistan in negotiations. I am all for foreign investment in manufacturing sector and specially in auto manufacturing so that people have more choices and the competition brings the prices down.

Having said that unless the investment brings in advanced manufacturing technology/capability and is not just limited to basic items with major components being imported, it actually does not help the economy much as more funds go out on importing expensive parts rather than creating value within the country.

The Japanese car manufacturing mafia in Pakistan is not going to watch this show from the sideline they are going to resist it with the help of corrupt politicians, unless the Pakistani partner is also a corrupt politician/industrialist. and if that is the case, then only he would be the beneficiary and people would still be paying outrageous amounts in advance to get that junk delivered 8 months later.

I did see your point. But what you don't understand is things like these happen. So in their history of whatever 50-80 years of car manufacturing, this one thing happened. So therefore, while every other country would appreciate their investment, but per you, Pakistan should just decline it???

Whether you buy 100 or a million cars, they still have to create a huge manufacturing industry in Pakistan to assemble cars, and that means thousands of jobs at all levels, and these Pakistani employees, will learn German tech and engineering which is one of the best ones out there.

Does it matter if there is a chance of them lying about it? If you catch them, send them to jail or ban them. But if not, why stop thousands of engineering and technology jobs that will eventually result in a Pakistani brand based on similar tech resembling latest German auto technologies?

At the least, they STILL have to meet the German emission standards, which are still WAY ahead of any Pakistan, India, or Chinese standards. Not sure why you people just have to be negative at everything!

 

[Viper0011.]

The way I think, I would take it as "the thing that got caught".

Having said that unless the investment brings in advanced manufacturing technology/capability and is not just limited to basic items with major components being imported, it actually does not help the economy much as more funds go out on importing expensive parts rather than creating value within the country .

What are we talking about? Germany investing in Japan or German investing into Pakistan? Pakistan should get whatever it can, to access advance technology in ALL sectors. In this case, Pakistan will have thousands of jobs given to her people too. It doesn't matter what "parts" come from Germany or China. You should worry more about what Pakistan gets out of it. Not what parts come from Germany.

Do you have experience in this industry or manufacturing industry overall? Just so you know, there is not even ONE machine on this planet that's developed by ONE Vendor. So yes, there will be parts in German designs which would come from Germany, China, Japan, etc. But what difference does it make? It how the manufacturing industry works.

Pakistan would be getting a LOT more modern cars then what they have right now. This will put a check to the Japanese so they'll be forced to start producing nicer car for the money and much higher quality cars, than the crap they sell to Pakistan right now.

Plus, one German manufacturer comes in and has a positive experience, no one would stop the BMW' and Mercedes of the world to come in and do the same. You guys are VERY short sighted. You don't look at the bigger picture and just respond to every small and big thing in such a negative manner like you are the top economy and you can dictate everything. That's not the case and shouldn't be. Pissing off the investors, who would employ thousands of Pakistanis isn't in Pakistan's strategic interests!!

And I frankly don't think you have a grasp on the economy or manufacturing, or even general business to be frank with you. I'd ask you to ask questions to people who might know, so you can expand your own knowledge. Don't post stuff that makes you look bad as I can clearly see you don't have the background necessary for this discussion. So why not just read up on people who would discuss it with knowledge to expand your own knowledge?

 

[Lavrentiy]

It is naive to expect that foreign car manufacturers are going to manufacture complex parts within Pakistan where there is no skilled human resource and no industrial capability. The car market is too small for local production to be cost-effective.

 

[IceCold]

Let the company come into Pakistan and complain latter. As Viper said it will create other opportunities which supersede anything else at the moment. Besides if Suzuki can sell Mehran, I am sure VM no matter how junk you consider it to be will still be light years ahead of Suzuki.
Yamaha also introduced their 2005 version of YBR in Pakistan with a carburetor its still a welcoming change considering we were riding a 125 for over 3 decades and still hasn't change.

 

[Muhammad Omar]

just import an A6, a mid-range factory new A6 will set you back about £55000 or ( 8721468.53 pkr, at todays rates)
is pakistan left hand drive or right hand drive?

One can easily Find A6 2.0 TSFI in 7.5 million PKR from the dealers here so why import it... ?

Right Hand Drive....

Really Want VW and Renault to Come to Pakistan they are manufacturing in India....

 

[Manindra]

Lets just hope they meet Pakistans emissions regulations.

Pakistan is still following Euro II standard so. their cars would be overqualified

 

[!eon]

Strange that people are talking about cheating of VW but they can't see cheating of Pakistani Toyota and Suzuki.

Pakistan is still following Euro II standard so. their cars would be overqualified

No one impliment checks on emission in Pakistan, not even Euro II, and same is in India.

 

[Manindra]

No one impliment checks on emission in Pakistan, not even Euro II, and same is in India.

No, its strictly tested when manufactured, India follows Euro IV for metros and Euro III for rest of India.
But after purchasing no guarantee as people are lazy for regular maintenance.