Germany to promote automobile companies’ share in Pakistani market

[Thorough Pro]

I think I was pretty clear about Germany (VW) investing in Pakistan, and Japanese car manufacturers in Pakistan colluding with corrupt government officials to create hurdles.

I have 22 years of experience in manufacturing industry and out of that 9 years in auto sector. I have visited all car manufacturers in Pakistan, dealt /negotiated with them and also visited Toyota, Denso, and Sumitomo in Japan.

You are talking about no "vendor" making all machines, I have seen exactly opposite, big companies like Denso for example make all their machines themselves. Toyota has their own production system called "TPS" (Toyota Production system - and I have read the whole book and theory behind it), that American car manufacturer used to learn from Japanese to improve quality of their (American) cars. Toyota and Denso have their own universities, they don't take qualified engineers, they take students, teach them their own engineering and business, courses leading to bachelor and Masters and then induct them in the industry. While Europe and NA is all about cost savings through "resourcing" Japan is cost savings through research, innovation and efficiency. So yes! you might see sourced parts used in European and American cars, but not in Japanese, if they do, they train, test, and qualify their vendors very thoroughly and normally only source items which have no direct bearing/effect on safety and functionality of the vehicle. I am not claiming that I know Japanese auto industry thoroughly, my opinion is based on the knowledge I gained during my 9 years of working in auto sector and my dealings with Japanese partners, negotiators, engineers etc.

What are we talking about? Germany investing in Japan or German investing into Pakistan? Pakistan should get whatever it can, to access advance technology in ALL sectors. In this case, Pakistan will have thousands of jobs given to her people too. It doesn't matter what "parts" come from Germany or China. You should worry more about what Pakistan gets out of it. Not what parts come from Germany.

Do you have experience in this industry or manufacturing industry overall? Just so you know, there is not even ONE machine on this planet that's developed by ONE Vendor. So yes, there will be parts in German designs which would come from Germany, China, Japan, etc. But what difference does it make? It how the manufacturing industry works.

Pakistan would be getting a LOT more modern cars then what they have right now. This will put a check to the Japanese so they'll be forced to start producing nicer car for the money and much higher quality cars, than the crap they sell to Pakistan right now.

Plus, one German manufacturer comes in and has a positive experience, no one would stop the BMW' and Mercedes of the world to come in and do the same. You guys are VERY short sighted. You don't look at the bigger picture and just respond to every small and big thing in such a negative manner like you are the top economy and you can dictate everything. That's not the case and shouldn't be. Pissing off the investors, who would employ thousands of Pakistanis isn't in Pakistan's strategic interests!!

And I frankly don't think you have a grasp on the economy or manufacturing, or even general business to be frank with you. I'd ask you to ask questions to people who might know, so you can expand your own knowledge. Don't post stuff that makes you look bad as I can clearly see you don't have the background necessary for this discussion. So why not just read up on people who would discuss it with knowledge to expand your own knowledge?

 

[New World]

Why would the Japanese pay bribe to make any deal with their competition??? Wouldn't that be dangerous their monopoly?

And why is it just assumed someone will bribe the "politicians"?? Bribes are applicable to anyone who takes it, the Generals and the Politicians alike. The current leadership hasn't taken any bribes on anything as they have a mission and legacy to build, and take Pakistan to a good destination, a lot of work regarding this is already happening.

So making silly assumptions about an investment proposal which only brings thousands of jobs to Pakistan is pretty stupid actually.

you get it wrong. we are not talking about Japanese, we are talking about local partners like Indus motors etc...
as per rules and regulation Japanese companies have to made 100% things locally after few years but Local companies did not force Japanese companies because they already got huge profit on cars and also they were reluctant to invest further to produce critical things locally..

 

[Super Falcon]

I am wish to you the best luck of learn good english fastly. I am pray that you are become succeeded in your challenge ambition.

Mistakes in posting dont make my english bad

 

[Viper0011.]

I think I was pretty clear about Germany (VW) investing in Pakistan, and Japanese car manufacturers in Pakistan colluding with corrupt government officials to create hurdles.

I have 22 years of experience in manufacturing industry and out of that 9 years in auto sector. I have visited all car manufacturers in Pakistan, dealt /negotiated with them and also visited Toyota, Denso, and Sumitomo in Japan.

You are talking about no "vendor" making all machines, I have seen exactly opposite, big companies like Denso for example make all their machines themselves. Toyota has their own production system called "TPS" (Toyota Production system - and I have read the whole book and theory behind it), that American car manufacturer used to learn from Japanese to improve quality of their (American) cars. Toyota and Denso have their own universities, they don't take qualified engineers, they take students, teach them their own engineering and business, courses leading to bachelor and Masters and then induct them in the industry.

While Europe and NA is all about cost savings through "resourcing" Japan is cost savings through research, innovation and efficiency. So yes! you might see sourced parts used in European and American cars, but not in Japanese, if they do, they train, test, and qualify their vendors very thoroughly and normally only source items which have no direct bearing/effect on safety and functionality of the vehicle. I am not claiming that I know Japanese auto industry thoroughly, my opinion is based on the knowledge I gained during my 9 years of working in auto sector and my dealings with Japanese partners, negotiators, engineers etc.

Ok, I am glad I am talking to someone who knows the industry. Denso is the world's largest automotive components manufacturer. There is no such things as Toyota or Mitsubishi or Nissan making soup to nuts. It doesn't work like that. Japan has 5 top semi conductor manufacturers outside of the automakers. So these semi conductor manufacturers provide advanced engineering, electronics and software solutions to companies like Toyota, Lexus, Nissan, Honda and all.

To think that any one manufacturer has ALL the abilities to produce every nut and bolt is actually very incorrect. For example, Ford Motors had a 25% stake in Mazda. General Motors had a 33% stake / ownership in Isuzu, Chrysler owned 15% of Mitsubishi. So you think hundreds of billions invested into the Japanese market mean nothing? The idea was to to partnership so that these manufacturers can produce vehicles WITH American parts or other third party parts integration.

For example, the ABS (Advance Braking System) comes form American requirements and is provided to motor vehicle manufacturers by third party companies specializing in this. The GPS, is not made by Toyota or Honda, its usually from one of the 5 semi conductor manufacturers like NEC, Hitachi, or Garmen (a US company), etc.

Majority of the screens (LCD's) in Japanese cars are produced by Hitachi, NEC or Samsung. The software and sensors are usually written and designed by Hitachi, Fujitsu Consulting, NEC, IBM Japan or Unisys, and so is the integration done between different components too.

The new technology such as auto-drive, came from the US (primarily Google), but it was sold to different countries under different agreements. Such has happened across the board with MANY other parts, technologies, and advanced features.

There is not much to invent anymore with regards to Cars and daily lives of people, unless you are in a Military, Healthcare or Space exploration types of busines. For everything else coming in as "new" there is someone somewhere working on it. So the new trend, whether its Japan or the US, is "BUY vs. Build". Its faster, go to market time is faster and your consumer gets tested products so you are not behind in delivering value to users. The businesses of the world now revolve around "Mergers and Acquisitions". Not let's build everything in house because we have a toolkit. The JFT is a prime example that I can use here.

you get it wrong. we are not talking about Japanese, we are talking about local partners like Indus motors etc...
as per rules and regulation Japanese companies have to made 100% things locally after few years but Local companies did not force Japanese companies because they already got huge profit on cars and also they were reluctant to invest further to produce critical things locally..

I got it. I knew what you were saying all along. My point was, the old days of doing business are retiring very quickly. The second the government has time to focus on non-critical items, an Auto policy is one of the top ones. Even the military would like to produce large scale trucks internally like the ones German Mercedes sells. But to get to any of these big JV's, you need to grow your economy to a certain point to create interests for JV, and have the electricity and the infrastructure in place.


All this is already being worked on. So just be patient, support your system, let the electric issue be fixed along with stability and elimination of terrorism, in the next 3+ years, you'll start to see a change. A HUGE economy is starting to rise, but it needs to fix the few critical things and then it'll be an investment dance and show. The competition in the Western world has peaked in everything, whether you buy a TV or a Car or a Jet. So all these big guys, need alternative growing markets to make more $$$$. And they know Pakistan has over a 150 MILLION Vehicle's need as it grows and advanced designs are put into market. As the economy grows and people make more money, they'd change their traditional Japanese crap with more advanced vehicles. So JUST follow your system, protect is, don't let anyone destroy it or your economy will go back to the shiit hole it was in till three years ago. And you won't be disappointed

 

[protest]

what is a saloon



Isnt India few times bigger than Pakistan?

Even with that we are buying twice as many cars. Please read up math rather than asking these silly questions.

 

[New World]

All this is already being worked on. So just be patient, support your system, let the electric issue be fixed along with stability and elimination of terrorism, in the next 3+ years, you'll start to see a change. A HUGE economy is starting to rise, but it needs to fix the few critical things and then it'll be an investment dance and show. The competition in the Western world has peaked in everything, whether you buy a TV or a Car or a Jet. So all these big guys, need alternative growing markets to make more $$$$. And they know Pakistan has over a 150 MILLION Vehicle's need as it grows and advanced designs are put into market. As the economy grows and people make more money, they'd change their traditional Japanese crap with more advanced vehicles. So JUST follow your system, protect is, don't let anyone destroy it or your economy will go back to the shiit hole it was in till three years ago. And you won't be disappointed

I will support this system and my children will also support this system but for God sake just put Zardari and Co in coffin..

 

[Manindra]

Corruption again. One of the biggest threat to future development of South Asia.

Not
Corruption & religion mixture
Here in India a die hard conservative is corrupt to the core.

 

[xyxmt]

Ownership rates is not sales, its number of vehicles on the roads/total population. I'll try to find you a link but I read this in an auto policy draft.

I know its a Wikipedia link but its only stats: List of countries by vehicles per capita - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I dont know if it was the same idiot or different one claiming some odd number of auto sales in India and when I showed him the data from Indian auto vehicle registeration he never replied back. In their mind they are a European country where every household has 3 cards and "4 bathrooms" just let them live in their fantasies....they are going to have white servant by 2020 anyways.

in lahore about close to 30 percent cars are diretly imported from japan
in my home we have 6 japenese made n 2 locally made cars so it isnt about local market sale a huge amount of japnese made cars are imported in pakistan....
so it can be possible the vechicles per capita for pak is more.

noooo ant be you are wrong...India is super power, they even have more per capita toilets

 

[tarrar]

Pakistan needs foreign investors. Almost all of the foreign investors were driven out of Pakistan by PPP & Pakistan's image was damaged very badly by Gadari & Co. bastards.

As peace is establishing a strong hold in Pakistan & all rented terrorists are getting defeated by our brave PA & Intel agencies, foreign investors are realizing that this is the right time for them to return or new investors to join in & invest in Pakistan.

 

[xyxmt]

Even with that we are buying twice as many cars. Please read up math rather than asking these silly questions.

Please post correct math before, It was 12 times more first and now its twice as much...who needs to read up math

 

[protest]

Please post correct math before, It was 12 times more first and now its twice as much...who needs to read up math

Seriously, in absolute numbers its 12 times your car sales. Per capita, its twice as such as much as Pakistan. Please do some math reading.

 

[xyxmt]

Seriously, in absolute numbers its 12 times your car sales. Per capita, its twice as such as much as Pakistan. Please do some math reading.

well genius when you compare auto use between two countries with huge population size difference you dont compare the total numbers but the per capita...as a result of this conversation i am sure you are learning math

 

[protest]

well genius when you compare auto use between two countries with huge population size difference you dont compare the total numbers but the per capita...as a result of this conversation i am sure you are learning math

I thought you could deride that from numbers, hence not quoted by me. But obviously I OVERESTIMATED your math skills.

 

[Abingdonboy]

Do you guys have MOT testing? It is required here in UK every year for every vehicle.

Not every year, new cars are exempt for 3 years.