Germany in negotiations with Pakistan over the sale of nuclear sub

[yyetttt]

punjabimunda LOL germany doesn't care about india... india cant even protect itself from india, no one is scared of india, trust me.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Any info about what type of submarine in discussion...

I think they are talking about Type 214 German Diesel Submarines equipped with AIP built by Howaldtswerke-Deutsche Werft (often abbreviated HDW ).

 

[VelocuR]

I thought the deal was dead. Pakisan want financial plan extend to 10 years payment, however Germany want maximum up to five years. The solution haven't solved yet.

 

[Pakistanisage]

Germany doesn't make nuclear subs, look at the title of the thread. What can be more stupid?

What he means is a Diesel / Electric Submarine ( Possibly type 214 ) modified to carry Nuclear Cruise Missiles for second strike capability ( like Israel has done recently ).

 

[aanshu001]

This is a very misleading article. German Navy has about half dozen submarines all of the 212 class. These are the quietest submarines in the world equipped with AIP. Pakistan has been in talks with Germany for acquiring 214 (export version of 212) for at least a couple of years but nothing came out of it mainly due to lack of funds.

There is huge difference between Submarines that can fire nuclear tipped missiles and a nuclear submarine. For example German 212 has a submerged displacement of about 1800 tons and a crew of about 27. Germany does not have any nuclear powered submarine.

On the other hand, UK Trafalgar SSN is 5,300 tons with complement of 130 officers and men. IN Chakra also displaces 8,000 tons. IN Arihant (under construction) is 6,000 tons with a complement of 95. Chinese SSN's are also in the 8000 tons class

Understand PN Augusts 90B's are being equipped with nuclear tipped Babur missiles. Would you classify Augusta 90B as SSN?

INS Arihant is under user trail & INS Aridaman is under construction

punjabimunda LOL germany doesn't care about india... india cant even protect itself from india, no one is scared of india, trust me.

No one need to scare of India unless they want to play foul game with us, and about no one care's us you know better of our global position

 

[tarrar]

That's a very good news.

 

[explorer9]

The only navies in the world to possess a nuke sub are US, Russia, UK, France, China and India. Germany doesn't make any SSN or SSBN to begin with.

The Israeli Sub in question is the dolphin class which is capable of firing nuclear tipped cruise missile, but isn't every submarine armed with CM's capable of doing that? Stupid thread and ridiculous source.

These are not nuclear powered subs but the conventional one they can carry nuclear warheads (sea launched missiles)

 

[nomi007]

if any country gives pak a nuke sub that country wont get a good treatment from india, something they dont wanna want happen to them.

are you mad not just kidding
what can you do
in past we got f-16s(nuclear capable) jets from usa
we even biggest importers of chinese weapons
what can you do

 

[Edevelop]

Just wait few more years and Pakistan will have her own indigenous Nuclear Submarine built....

 

[nomi007]

Any info about what type of submarine in discussion...

in past we were interested in type-214 sub quietest non nuclear sub
may be we are again going for this with our requirements
may be german offer us nuclear capable version
6 chinese
3 german
3+2 french
thats great combination

 

[lem34]

Why waste time. We should try to source that capability from a country that will not bend to America representations. Even if we sign a contract with Germany if push came to shove America could interfere

 

[fatman17]

June 3, 2012, in the Sunday edition of the German Der Spiegel, the Editor in Chief Georg Mascolo wrote that “months-long research proves that the submarines Germany supplies to the Israeli navy make use of equipment capable of carrying nuclear weapons;” the article claims that this was confirmed by German officials.

This statement contradicts earlier remarks by German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who said that the vessels cannot carry nuclear weapons. The contradicting statements apparently damage Germany’s position.

Yet, an important clue explaining the contradiction was hidden in the article. Der Spiegel disclosed that Germany is conducting negotiations with Pakistan over the sale of nuclear submarines. This means that the German interest is now to change the public status of these submarines.

Apparently the time for the signature of the agreement with Pakistan is approaching. Keeping the nuclear capabilities of these submarines secret once another country purchases them would have been practically impossible; especially when the two countries purchasing them are not in friendly terms.

Germany probably chose the timing of this disclosure as an answer to Israel’s recent purposeful insults towards Germany (see Germany’s Humiliation). In any case, a new front is being opened in the Middle East, this one certified as being the quietest of all. German Dolphin-class subs are even quieter than nuclear-propelled submarines.
spyghana.com/world-news/germany-creates-new-nuclear-front-in-the-middle-east/

i will believe it when i see the signature on the dotted.......line! - mere speculation. the US will put so much pressure on germany that its nobody's business.

 

[killerx]

i think paksitan should go for china equipments man germans are good to but china always backs us

 

[Zarvan]

June 3, 2012, in the Sunday edition of the German Der Spiegel, the Editor in Chief Georg Mascolo wrote that “months-long research proves that the submarines Germany supplies to the Israeli navy make use of equipment capable of carrying nuclear weapons;” the article claims that this was confirmed by German officials.

This statement contradicts earlier remarks by German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who said that the vessels cannot carry nuclear weapons. The contradicting statements apparently damage Germany’s position.

Yet, an important clue explaining the contradiction was hidden in the article. Der Spiegel disclosed that Germany is conducting negotiations with Pakistan over the sale of nuclear submarines. This means that the German interest is now to change the public status of these submarines.

Apparently the time for the signature of the agreement with Pakistan is approaching. Keeping the nuclear capabilities of these submarines secret once another country purchases them would have been practically impossible; especially when the two countries purchasing them are not in friendly terms.

Germany probably chose the timing of this disclosure as an answer to Israel’s recent purposeful insults towards Germany (see Germany’s Humiliation). In any case, a new front is being opened in the Middle East, this one certified as being the quietest of all. German Dolphin-class subs are even quieter than nuclear-propelled submarines.
spyghana.com/world-news/germany-creates-new-nuclear-front-in-the-middle-east/

Pakistan should more focus on getting Submarines from China than Germany first it was said that we will get 3 Submarines but no deal was made also Germany can back out even after signing the contract on American Pressure so Pakistan should get the submarines from China and with TOT and make arrangements and equip themselves for producing such Machines in Large Numbers

 

[mjnaushad]

Just wait few more years and Pakistan will have her own indigenous Nuclear Submarine built....

If with few you mean 25 or 26 years then OK.