Germans today see Nazi defeat as liberation

[Indian Patriot]

Were I the one who suspected me of being Russian?



I am brown myself (PIO)



LOL Why are you dodging again? You were the one who proclaimed that the RAF started to bomb cities you moron. And now you need to bring in war crimes of other nations instead of admitting your mistake?

Pathetic.


The thread is about how Germans confront their past and their great response to it. If you wanna do the same with the Russians, you can do it in another thread, but since I havent lived in Russia, I cannot say much about it.




Why dont you answer the question?

I would NEVER say thousands of innocent death are "collateral damage" ... what a disgusting term anyways.




Hahaha ... says the guy who could not answer several questions, the guy who claimed that I am communist, Russian and what not, says the guy who says that the RAF started the bombing war, says the guy who could not even prove ONE claim ......


And where did I justify ANY CIVILIAN DEATHS?!

Now I challenge you: Show me where I justified the loss of ANY INNOCENT LIFE.

Now go and show us!

You could be russian or you could be nigerian, who gives a fcuk?

Ohhhh.... you are brown yourself and you mock other people's dark complexion? There is a term for losers like you who suffer from such inferiority complex - closet negroes.

Of course a closet negro like you don't know history and don't know the fact that it was bomber harris who started bombing German cities out of desperation.

People like you have a herd mentality and are devoid of making any independent decisions by themselves. You lack the intellect to think and debate. The hollywood says nazis are evil and you jump into the band wagon.

Yes I used the term collateral damage, what the fcuk can you do about it other than crying out copious amounts of tears? I did not come up with the term collateral damage. The Germans bombed military targets and civilians died as a result because there was no laser guided or GPS guided bombs those days. The RAF and USAAF on the other hand carried a policy of consciously attacking and killing German civilians which was called strategic air raids or terror bombings. Prime example being Dresden.

Your reluctance to criticise allies for targeting Germans while at the same time moaning like a b1tch at the death of some imaginary 25,000 poles shows your hypocrisy.

It is obvious you are not adding any value to this thread other than your butt hurt rants about how bad people on the world are. Nobody gives a fcuk about your nerd rage against nazis. So keep whining here closet negro, that's why you were born in the first place.

 

[Koovie]

You could be russian or you could be nigerian, who gives a fcuk?

Why did YOU call me Russian then?

Ohhhh.... you are brown yourself and you mock other people's dark complexion? There is a term for losers like you who suffer from such inferiority complex - closet negroes.

When did I mock you for being brown? Either you are completely retarded or just very very bad at English. I said that it was kinda ironic to see brown people defending the most disgusting racists to walk on Earth.

Yes I used the term collateral damage, what the fcuk can you do about it other than crying out copious amounts of tears? I did not come up with the term collateral damage. The Germans bombed military targets and civilians died as a result because there was no laser guided or GPS guided bombs those days. The RAF and USAAF on the other hand carried a policy of consciously attacking and killing German civilians which was called strategic air raids or terror bombings. Prime example being Dresden.

Your reluctance to criticise allies for targeting Germans while at the same time moaning like a b1tch at the death of some imaginary 25,000 poles shows your hypocrisy.

It is obvious you are not adding any value to this thread other than your butt hurt rants about how bad people on the world are. Nobody gives a fcuk about your nerd rage against nazis. So keep whining here closet negro, that's why you were born in the first place.

Yeah, never heard about the term "subhuman"? Thats what the nazis thought about the Slavik people.

Oh and BTW, absolutely nobody gives a damn about your retarded views. Especially not in Germany.

To conclude, Germans dont give a fu** about these things, they know that bad things happened and they are happy that they are now one of the most prosperous, productive, progressive, stable, open and tolerant societies in the world.

What some miseducated dumbfu**s and wannabe fascists think, who come and go from time to time, about their history is not really something that they care about

 

[Psychic]

And Mongolia is going to pay for the crimes of Genghis Khan

 

[Indian Patriot]

And Mongolia is going to pay for the crimes of Genghis Khan

They whitewash allied war crimes and put all the blame on Germany.

 

[Indian Patriot]

How dare you say any thing against the "good guys".

My bad. I forgot the allies were the "good guys" in second world war.

Never mind the fact that their colonial acts killed millions, their terror bombing campaign killed lakhs and the soviet red army treated German civilian population as sex slaves. 2 million Germans died because of enforced starvation in US POW camps.... the list goes on and on and it is disgusting to read how much evil the allies tried to white wash from their records.

But you are right again, there are some fools who will believe whatever the allies says because they cannot think on their own.

 

[Psychic]

They whitewash allied war crimes and put all the blame on Germany.

How dare you say any thing against the "good guys".

Soviet fans deliberately ignore the Katyn massacare carried out by Soviet troops in Poland. The people weeping on the bombing of Warsaw won't say a word about that bloodshed.

 

[Indian Patriot]

The people weeping on the bombing of Warsaw won't say a word about that bloodshed.

Why would they, they are hypocrites and speaking out against soviet atrocities would mean going against their code of hypocrisy.

 

[Penguin]

Pardon me if I am not interested in taking english lessons from a dutch.

Yes the dutch have hundreds of years of ghastly crimes and the nazis pale in front of dutch evil. The Germans did not invent terror bombing, the RAF did and carried it until the end of war. And whn is holland going to pay for its crimes against humanity?

LOL!! Your command over english is atrocious. Whatever does your sentence mean?



You were the one crying that the ducth were innocent victims of German aggression. Funny because the ducth were invading and colonising innocent countries themselves. When the dutch were at the receiving end they start crying and whining about how bad Germans are. It is called hypocrisy.

I don't give an eff about your age, and keep your manners inside your pocket BOY. You don't know me and I am not interested in knowing about you either. So instead of guesstimating my age why don't you just post on topic.

Sidetracking the main topic/discussion. A poor man's defence. Why don't you answer the topic. My English is irrelevant. My Dutch descent is irrelevant. Just excuses for not providing substantive argument.

When and how did the RAF initiate terror bombing in Europe? Please be specific and add supporting documentation.

My command of English is good enough to a disseration in English at a major US university. Don't blame your poor English language comprehension on me.

Sidetracking the main topic/discussion = no substantive arguments left, eh.

How dare you say any thing against the "good guys".

Soviet fans deliberately ignore the Katyn massacare carried out by Soviet troops in Poland. The people weeping on the bombing of Warsaw won't say a word about that bloodshed.

BS>.
The Katyn Wood Massacre
Nazi photos of the 1943 exhumations in Katyn Forest
Katyn Massacre | Polish history | Encyclopedia Britannica
Records Relating to the Katyn Forest Massacre at the National Archives

My bad. I forgot the allies were the "good guys" in second world war.

Never mind the fact that their colonial acts killed millions, their terror bombing campaign killed lakhs and the soviet red army treated German civilian population as sex slaves. 2 million Germans died because of enforced starvation in US POW camps.... the list goes on and on and it is disgusting to read how much evil the allies tried to white wash from their records.

But you are right again, there are some fools who will believe whatever the allies says because they cannot think on their own.

Ok, so really, the Nazi' Germans were the good guys and the French, Dutch, Norwegians, Danes, Belgians, Russians, Poles and all those other invaded countries were the bad guys.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Sidetracking the main topic/discussion. A poor man's defence.

When and how did the RADF initiate terror bombing in Europe. Please be specific and add supporting documentation.

My command of English is good enough to a disseration in English at a US university.Don't blame your poor language skills on me.

Sidetracking the main topic/discussion. No substantive arguments left, eh.

Other than the conscious 1000 bomber raids and attack on German cities like Berlin, Hamburg and Dresden you are asking if RAF carried such bomber raids and you claim you have english language skills? LOL!!

And why is talking about dutch colonial past sidetracking? You are gleefully willing to call nazis evil and what not but talking about your own country's evil past puts you on a spot eh?

http://www.economist.com/news/books...ampaign-europe-during-second-world-war-costly

as defeat in continental Europe loomed in May 1940, it turned to bombing as the only means to strike back at Germany. Strategic bombing by Britain, and later the United States, then continued without respite for the rest of the war.

Strategic bombing campaign against Germany | Australian War Memorial

And I presume that you are hopefully educated enough to have read about Dresden.

Ok, so really, the Nazi' Germans were the good guys and the French, Dutch, Norwegians, Danes, Belgians, Russians, Poles and all those other invaded countries were the bad guys.

If I start talking about the colonial record of holland and how holland economy was run by the slave trade the nazis would look like saints. And why don't you google up on belgian treatment of congo?

The hypocrisy of you people is outright disgusting.

 

[Penguin]

Most of those people died as a result of malnutrition and lack of medical supplies courtesy of Allied terror bombings which crippled German transportation network and prevented any essential supplies from reaching the concentration camps.

And btw that gas chamber in your post was constructed after WW2. This was acknowledged by the Dr. Franczizek Piper, the supervisor of the Auschwitz Birkenau Museum.

And shoving 80+ civilians in a small cargo railwagon to ship them from western europe to poland sounds like normal to you? Putting them on rail without any sustencance or water for days?

In case you missed it, the Germans made malnutrition standard policy for untermenschen. So, it is not a defence or an excuse.

 

[Indian Patriot]

And shoving 80+ civilians in a small cargo railwagon to ship them from western europe to poland sounds like normal to you? Putting them on rail without any sustencance or water for days?

In case you missed it, the Germans made malnutrition standard policy for untermenschen. So, it is not a defence or an excuse.

Wasn't that the standard procedure of transporting slaves by the colonials?

The Germans used Jews as slave labour at worst. The horror stories depicted in hollywood is nothing more than cheap propaganda.

 

[Penguin]

or

Other than the conscious 1000 bomber raids and attack on German cities like Berlin, Hamburg and Dresden you are asking if RAF carried such bomber raids and you claim you have english language skills? LOL!!

No, that is not what I asked or said.

And why is talking about dutch colonial past sidetracking? You are gleefully willing to call nazis evil and what not but talking about your own country's evil past puts you on a spot eh?

Explain how one relates to the other. Finding that difficult? That's because they are unrelated.

http://www.economist.com/news/books...ampaign-europe-during-second-world-war-costly

I never said or suggested it was a great or succesfgull campaign > i.e. besides the point.

as defeat in continental Europe loomed in May 1940, it turned to bombing as the only means to strike back at Germany. Strategic bombing by Britain, and later the United States, then continued without respite for the rest of the war.

Mmm, how else would you suggest the Brits to fight the Germans in 1940? Why do you continue to ignore e.g. Warsaw, Rotterdam, the Blitz, Coventry etc (and e.g,. Guernica before WW2)? Who'se biased here?

Strategic bombing campaign against Germany | Australian War Memorial

And I presume that you are hopefully educated enough to have read about Dresden.

Bla bla, repeating nonsense. Have yo been to Dresden? I have. Have you talked to bombing survivors? I have. Bla bla.

If I start talking about the colonial record of holland and how holland economy was run by the slave trade the nazis would look like saints. And why don't you google up on belgian treatment of congo?

The hypocrisy of you people is outright disgusting.

Well, go ahead. Be my guest. I'm sure there are plenty of Pearls in the history of India prior to the Brits. Or all the prettiness after 1947
History of India - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

As for the Belgians, what do they have to do with me or the history of my country? .

You continue to dodge arguments made earlier with diversionary tactics. > L

Wasn't that the standard procedure of transporting slaves by the colonials?

The Germans used Jews as slave labour at worst. The horror stories depicted in hollywood is nothing more than cheap propaganda.

Uhm no: slave shippers actually had an economic incentive to keep their cargo safe and well.
There is nothing hollywood about the camps found. Or the documented stories of survivors. Or the meticulous records kept by Germans themselves.

But that is not what the discussion is about.Go back to when and where the Brits started carpet bombing German cities. NOT in 1940 (unlike the Germands, they simply didn't have the means at that time). And the fact of the Hamburg and Dresden raids does not negate or compensate for the German role in initiating and propagating massed bombing of city centres as means to wage war.

With all your huffing an puffing, you've still not posted anything to negate or disprove that.

 

[Indian Patriot]

Explain how one relates to the other. Finding that difficult? That's because they are unrelated.

You are so vocal about nazi "evil" that you are blind to the evil perpetrated by your own country.

I never said or suggested it was a great or succesfgull campaign > i.e. besides the point.

If it was not a great campaign then why was it carried out till 1945 unless it was motivated by a strong desire to wipe out German civilians?

Mmm, how else would you suggest the Brits to fight the Germans in 1940?

Yea, it is okay for Brits to bomb civilians but Germans cannot. ROFLOL!!!

Bla bla, repeating nonsense. Have yo been to Dresden? I have. Have you talked to bombing survivors? I have. Bla bla.

That is the best you can come up with, "bla bla bla"? LOL!! You have talked to bombing survivors and I am sure you must have been to the moon as well. The things people can claim on the internet.

P.S. - What did the bombing survivors tell you, that they loved being bombed by the allies?

Well, go ahead. Be my guest. I'm sure there are plenty of Pearls in the history of India prior to the Brits. Or all the prettiness after 1947

India is a vegetarian country. Other than promoting yoga, tree hugging movement, satyagraha and preaching Buddhism Indians did not ghastly crimes like the dutch.

As for the Belgians, what do they have to do with me or the history of my country? .

You were the one calling belgium as "innocent" when they have their hands stained with the blood of their colonies.

You continue to dodge arguments made earlier with diversionary tactics. > L

Better than your imaginary claims and "bla bla bla".

Uhm no: slave shippers actually had an economic incentive to keep their cargo safe and well.
There is nothing hollywood about the camps found. Or the documented stories of survivors. Or the meticulous records kept by Germans themselves.

The same can be said for the Germans. They wanted jews alive, healthy and able to work for them for free.

Who forged the documents and made those records? Was it verified by any third party in its authentic

And the fact of the Hamburg and Dresden raids does not negate or compensate for the German role in initiating and propagating massed bombing of city centres as means to wage war.

Did you even read the links BOY?

You've still not posted anything to negate that.

In case you did not notice you are the one posting without any links and sources. I don't know which school you went to but "bla bla bla" does not count as a valid source, sorry to break that to you BOY.

 

[Penguin]

The Indian Legion (German: Indische Legion), officially the Free India Legion (German: Legion Freies Indien) or Infantry Regiment 950 (Indian) (German: Infanterie-Regiment 950 (indisches), I.R. 950) and later the Indian Volunteer Legion of the Waffen-SS (German: Indische Freiwilligen Legion der Waffen-SS), was a military unit raised during World War II in Nazi Germany. Initially raised as part of the German Army, it was part of the Waffen-SS from August 1944

Overall, there were about 15,000 Indian POWs in Europe, primarily held in Germany by 1943. While approximately 2,000 became legionnaires, some others did not complete their training due to various reasons and circumstances. In total, the maximum size of the Legion was 2,600.

That is over 17% of the Indian POWs.


The Indian National Army (INA), formed first by Mohan Singh Deb consisted initially of prisoners taken by the Japanese in Malaya and at Singapore who were offered the choice of serving the INA by Japan or remaining in very negative conditions in POW camps. Later, after it was reorganized under Subhas Chandra Bose, it drew civilian volunteers from Malaya and Burma. Ultimately, a force of under 40,000 was formed, although only two divisions ever participated in battle.

Indian Legion - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
India in World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Go figure.

 

[Indian Patriot]

India and Indians reserve the right to fight back against european colonialism. On one hand you justify mass murder of innocent German civilians by calling Germans as aggressors and on the other hand you start weeping when the colonies fight back against the true evil that is countries like england and holland.

Cry me a river BOY.