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German Chancellor Angela Merkel's historical China map flap

just curious ,forget about china and other disputes....
I always wanted to know can anyone have claims with some old maps with out the will of the people.
 
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just curious ,forget about china and other disputes....
I always wanted to know can anyone have claims with some old maps with out the will of the people.

it happens more often than you think.

examples include, european colonization, japanese imperialism, american civil war, kashmir, western/interim ukrainian government and chimea.

of course this actually has nothing to do with naval disputes in east asia, as those are disputes over uninhabited islands.
 
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Very interested in what Madam Merkel did !!!
Thanks for expressing German opinion !!!
 
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Well, since you want to play this game, lets us take a look at the US map of 1800. Hey, what's Mexico doing up there? :D

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As for Vietnam, see how they've swallowed other's territory as well? :D

1886 map
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Today
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The Time article reads: "The 1735 d’Anville mapshows 'China proper' as a landmass separate from areas like Xinjiang, Tibet, Mongolia and Manchuria. The island of Hainan is drawn in a different color, as is Taiwan. This depiction is utterly at odds with how history is taught here."

This is just ridiculous
Is he german?

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Credit: bmwi.de
 
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I have posted this in the other post, I'm posting it again here since stupid people are too many:

Some people are really stupid and make me sick, that map is only a map of PART of China.

It was drawn by a priest of French Jesuit -du Halde, who came to China during the earlier of Qing Dynasty, and the Chinese emperor & officers. The whole map is named [[康熙皇輿全覽圖]] and it included North-East of China (so-called Manchuria), "China" (middle land), Tibet and other parts of China (except for Xinjiang before it wasn't belong to Qing Dynasty during the earlier of Qing).

Also the term "China" doesn't officially refer to 中國 before the ROC, since the Qing Dynasty considers the whole Chinese Empire including North-East of China, Tibet, Mongolia and Xinjiang are all 中國.
During the old days, "China" and "Chinese" mostly refer only to Han's land and Han people, but Han's land(漢地) and Han people(漢人) is never translated as 中國 and 中國人.
(That student doesn't even know that "China" is not the whole China back in those days.)

Therefore, what Germany gave China is just a ancient map of "part of China" which was drawn by Chinese and a priest of French Jesuit. This map of "China" is just a map of the 12 Han's provinces, not the whole China.


Other parts of the [[康熙皇輿全覽圖]]:

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Only map that matters is the CPC map. Those are our land now. It will be enforced with the full force of the PLA.

No one can do a damn thing to stop us :coffee:
 
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April 10, 2014

The map, a gift from German Chancellor Angela Merkel to Chinese President Xi Jinping, shows a smaller territory for China. It has led netizens to question Merkel's message behind the gift

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CONTROVERSIAL CHINA MAP: German Chancellor Angela Merkel gift to Chinese President Xi Jinping offends Chinese netizens. Screenshot of Time.com report

"Maybe heads of state shouldn't give maps as presents"

The Time article reads: "The 1735 d’Anville mapshows 'China proper' as a landmass separate from areas like Xinjiang, Tibet, Mongolia and Manchuria. The island of Hainan is drawn in a different color, as is Taiwan. This depiction is utterly at odds with how history is taught here."

It added: "Chinese students learn that these areas are inalienable parts of China, and that they have been for a long, long time. One netizen described the map as a 'slap' from Merkel."

The map was supposedly drawn with the help of Jesuit missionaries. (Here's another article from the Sydney Morning Herald (SMH) that shows the ancient map: Angela Merkel's historical China map flap)

The SMH writes: "The d'Anville map, at least visually, is a rejection of that narrative [in Chinese schools]. Unsurprisingly, China's official media outlets don't seem to have appreciated Merkel's gift. The People's Daily, which has given meticulous accounts of Xi's European tour, eluded any coverage of the offending map."

Different version

A different version of the map was apparently circulated by the local media in China. According to SMH, Chinese media reported that Merkel's gift was an 1844 map made by John Dower and published in London showing a bigger territory encompassing China's territory to include "Tibet, Xinjiang, Mongolia and large swaths of Siberia."

The 17th century marked the beginning of the expansionist Qing Dynasty, which eventually conquered more territories.

The 9-dash-line claim that China meant to delineate its maritime borders, however, was drawn in 1947 by the Kuomintang Government. (READ: South China Sea represents 'a new Persian Gulf'?)

It's a claim that overlaps with the 200 nautical mile Exclusive Economic Zone of neighboring countries as defined by the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). (READ: 'No such thing as 9-dash-line' – US envoy)

In the Philippines, a map published as early as 1734 shows the now disputed Scarborough as part of the Zambales province in Luzon. The map was made by Spanish Jesuit Pedro Murillo Velarde. The shoal used to be called Bajo de Masinloc. (READ: Scarborough shoal according to Manila, Beijing)

Manila has filed a case against Bejing before a United Nations-backed arbitral tribunal over China's claims in South China Sea.

18th century map debunks China's territorial claim




Don't repost old news, you intention to post a troll article, you should be reported for violation of forum rule. Weren't you the same poster posted the related article couple days back?
 
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The Time article reads: "The 1735 d’Anville mapshows 'China proper' as a landmass separate from areas like Xinjiang, Tibet, Mongolia and Manchuria. The island of Hainan is drawn in a different color, as is Taiwan. This depiction is utterly at odds with how history is taught here."

This is just ridiculous
Is he german?

vietnam-04,property=bild,bereich=bmwi2012,sprache=de,width=620,height=465.jpg

Credit: bmwi.de

Confirmed, he's a Vietnamese orphan, raised by a German couple when he's just 9 month old.
As you called, a banana ... but we don't call him that way
 
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Should merge this thread to the older one, freaking same article but posted in different week.
 
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