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very unfair, irrelevant and insensitive comparison. do consider though, the Pakistanis in UAE and KSA are still alive and are the source of bread and butter for their families back home,


Gen Bajwa has only gone to mediate and calm down our Arab master brother.
re Israel recognition, that may get out of scope of discussion but you might have already noticed the vague reaction from our foreign office. so if the Saudis make a "suggestion" then our response will be when do you want us to open the embassy?

we will do what our Arab master brother tells us , we have to oblige.after all we are owed money to KSA and have tens of thousands of Pakistani labour force trying to earn a living. all we have is a bomb and lot of resilence to take insults. what else do you think we have to offer to Arabs?


As for sacrificing lives is concerned my friend,

that has already happened, we did send our troops quietly as demanded for their Yemen campaign.
I know that there are other people on this forum who are aware like me that bodies have returned or just buried quietly in KSA or Yemen anyone who says otherwise is ignorant or lying.

thats why we were paid that $1.5 Billion or so by the Saudis during Nawaz time which he tried to cover as a favour by Saudis due to his personal relations. Arabs are very shrewd traders since the time of recorded history they dont do favors. it was a shut-up compensation money for the troops. Raheel Sherif didnt get a job there for refusing the troops. there was no chance to allow him in KSA and not send to jail for insulting the Royal Arabs specially when KSA passed the threats of dreadful consequences via a lower tier UAE minister. Pakistani parliament rejection of sending troops to invade Yemen during Noon league govt was just to pull wool over the eyes of Pakistanis.



this needs guts in our leadership and sadly I dont see any hopeful example from past or present either in military or civilian governments that have begged to differ with the saudis. our close brotherly relations with saudis on international relations and matters are very simple

Follow the instructions of Ryadh.
recall how we were forced to close the gas pipeline deal with Iran? our Arab brothers openly support select sectarian groups in Pakistan who are very vocal in their support for Daesh and Al Qaeda and their local partners. we have Daesh knocking at the doors. we havent quelled the TTP completely and Lal Masjid fitna is seething like an amber we must be ready for another round of sectarian based punishment which might spill over to general public and state as well.

only China is a balancing figure here. it might help cushion Pakistan from any Arab reprisal it has invested in Iran and brought Iran in line as well. but thats all wishful thinking only on the hypothesis that Pakistani leadership does the unthinkable and stands up to the Arab brothers and dares to speak for its national interests.


again I feel like broken record. this thing to happen requires guts. Gen Bajwa didnt need to go to plead for mercy. Iran should've gone to Malaysia despite the Saudi threats.
just like UAE invited the Indian guests of Honour to the OIC summit despite our protests and boycott.

bottom line is we find ourselves in this position because we have degraded ourselves nationally and internationally that we have to apologize even if we are wronged and even if we are saying the right thing.
Saudis and Americans do have say in our international relations. its not just the military that is enough to counter the obnoxious Arabs and their mischievous Israeli partners. we need self reliance and stronger economy so much so that we no longer have our men leaving our country to do labour in the Arab land.
Thanks for humble reply, I didn't wanted to open up the Pandora box, evn I knew more then that, the place I'm living in here, I hve developed many friendships with Arabs and jews for normal bussines and I think both are 2 different sides of the same coin.
I beg, pak army to take over, the country as fast as they can, bring top professionals from within the country to run it, and let real justice starts up to all of crouptors no matter, who may they are, in uniform or without uniform all, should be paraded and then shot down infront if minar e pakistan without any mercy, and then let professionals work and form real, political parties for the devlpoment of the country, as i told you we don't need these weak, conspirative Arabs fool kings and thier trillions of SOBs?
It's they, who needed, the security we hve enough to take care ouselves, let them face huttis from yeman, let them die by the hands of Iran or anyone else but don't bow down to thier feet for some money which isn't enough for any of our poor ppls ever?
Fight brother, stand up, there are far weaker nations on earth who stood and fighted out, thier problems and now are on path of good economy like VIETNAM it's was completely destroyed by USA but look they stood and fighted out against the sole superpower on earth and let it ran away from. Thier lands?
Brother, progress starts from dignity, honor not by begging, a few billions which were distributed by politicians and genrals all togather, cause no one can eat alone?
And no one is innocent in pakistan, nor a angel but still, pak army is the last hope, as I know in which there are many real brave and honorable sons of Pakistan who can do the job at any time when it's needed!
If not, you just be asked to accept Israel, but it ill be DO MORE like always!
I don't want to more mean, to you any way, but I'm sharing my pain with you as a common pakistani, who is looking at our military leadership to stand and deliver instead given us sermons of our bad economy, may God bless you for talking real and truth I never expected that you ill open up so much, but at least ppls like you in uniform are real hope for pakistanis.
 
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I think Bajwa's response will also be epic. I have voiced thic concern before and as long as we all play our cards right the Saudis have a loosing hand and somewhere along the line MBS will be talked to and pacified. He is a bit of a maverick but sooner or later life teaches people to see the world in shades of gray. It is unfair to avail the greys and blacks to your advantage but expect others to see only white. The Saudi strategy will lose out.
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Sooner or later CIA already has made a new leadership of its runaway agents and the murder of that Saudi journalist was part of the larger game, when the time comes lambs like MBS will just get slaughtered like qadafi and saddam?
But for right now Saudis are breaking whole but weak eco system of Muslim states thier job is to let other non Arab states bow down to Israel, and for pakistan specially, Israelis were trying since decades to let Pakistan give up its nuclear assests, accept Israel, and accept India then give bases to India, USA, Israel, UK against IRAN, and China thier DO MORE LIST has no end!
 
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I got the same hint from the foreign office contact I have. I think you also got this news from someone who knows the confidential information. Saudis had instructed UAE to start the open relations with Israel. they will follow suit soon they just wanted to see how their public consumes the news in KSA, Bahrain and UAE. rest of the Islamic world they dont really care much

I will be honest brother the Arab regimes don’t have anything to fear from their public as it’s morally dead within their own borders.

@Irfan Baloch

can you send me private message will like to open a conversation with you
 
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There is a chance that Pakistan might have known about Arabs shifting toward Isreal after all the deal was only signed now but it was in pipeline for sometime. My guess is that Arab would have approached Pakistan to do same.
FM SMQ statement is not of his own making, GHQ would have known and would have backed it up. Things are getting public but we still haven't seen the full picture. Coas Bajwa visit will cover many aspects which we are unaware of.
UAE changing it stance was not done in one day. How long will it take Saudi to accept Isreal? My guess is few months. After seeing the reaction of other countries. Although OIC haven't done anything productive for the Muslims so it's good for nothing.
And thats why kashmir was sidelined by these slave of Israel Arabs OIC been dying to invite modi and his bhagwan to start worshiping it cause its the part of the deal, the GREATER ISRAEL but that means the destruction of Pakistan the only Muslim nuclear power on earth which Israel feared most, kashmir been sold and is given as a gift to modi on the wishes of Israel
 
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After reading this thread it is clear that a lot of Pakistanis are confused and afraid at the same time. For some, its urge is to keep the status quo in order to feel secure (change can be scary) and we hear don't rock the boat, we can't survive without the largess of the Saudis. On the other hand, we have some that are fed up, including me, with Pakistan and its potential being thrown away for shortsighted and short term gains.

But the issue as I see it, without the clutter, as best as I can explain it is water security. Very briefly, Pakistan has read the writing on wall, that is India will sooner than later wage a war in order to attempt to wrest control of our northern territories. Its leadership and government has publicly come out and said so as much. That means, the decades Pakistan had in which it would/could have grown into a stable, economically strong, and thus politically a force to the reckoned with has all but past. We mismanaged everything and now the time of reckoning, so to speak is fast approaching. That means status quo can not be maintained. The military definitely realizes it, as do most of the elites and the folks in government. Some might still think they have enough time to steal and run abroad before the region is really engulfed in war.

What this means now is that we are going to see Pakistan realigning itself with anyone what will stand by us, in order to help us safeguard our territorial integrity, and its realizes those countries can be counted on one hand, China, Turkey and if we play our cards right perhaps even Iran (not for any love lost, but having a large country under collapse next door is not good for anyone). I can promise everyone this, if Pakistan was to lose all of Kashmir and even other territory to India tomorrow, these Arab nations some people think of as our saviors will not even bat an eye or lose an iota of sleep over it.

So, Pakistan I feel is left with a binary choice. And I would suggest we all think about this as well. If you have to choose now (not in the distant fairy tale future while we wait to get strong and financially independent blah blah ... that time is not coming anytime soon) between Kashmir or Saudis/UAE/other Khaliji countries, what would you choose. I for one would choose Kashmir and Pakistan over any other country that stands in the way of that. I would go further ... if the choice was that any of these Arab countries were to get destroyed (like they have destroyed Syria and Yemen etc) and in return gain Kashmir, I would still go with the latter and let the ME burn.
Timing is in favor of Pak...
 
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Timing is in favor of Pak...
Yea!
Pakistan needs to break artificial shackles made by Israel using America, Saudis, emariti cowards and IMF FATAF , no D day will happen if PAKISTAN says no to all of them, it may hve some political and economical rapid effects but in the end non of these weak, and afraid Arabic foolish kings cam do much?
If they deport pakistanis working in their countries which are in huge numbers they also will lose many key projects as it's not buying veggies from. Market to get labour in a blink of an eye?
They may invite Indians in the end, which will further weakened thier own political power and will bring extremist organizations to attack them strongly and I. Don't think they can afford it?
There is only one solution, if Arabs are dying for Israel then they can go ahead with it, but leave Muslims with new and strong leadership emerging from turkey, Malaysia, Iran, Pakistan and follow it if not, then they may find thier bunkers in tel Aviv but not evn in thier own countries, enough of that foolishness of thier old and sick minded weak kings and thier stupid sons
New Islamic leadership should impose economic sanctions, like stopping thier hajjis going to Saudia for a year, so these fool Arabs can see where they stand without 5he support of big and stirring Islamic countries!
While banning all the trades and block UAEs economic activities for some time these actions can let these fools wakeup and look the reality in which they are on the weaker side, no help against hutti rebels, instead support economicly hottis
 
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I will be honest brother the Arab regimes don’t have anything to fear from their public as it’s morally dead within their own borders.

@Irfan Baloch

can you send me private message will like to open a conversation with you
Hope u hve seen, the end of qadafi and saddam regimes which were considered far more stronger then Saudis and emarati weak establishments?
Learn from it, brother no one can control if public stands up, not UAE, NOT USA hope u can see black lives matters!
 
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A certain Hariri was guest of Royals too, a premier of state as well... while being served as a state guest... the premier resigned ... and later rescinded...
Anyways it is out there and so is the fact of getting blackmailed and forced into doing Saudi biding!
 
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Thanks for humble reply, I didn't wanted to open up the Pandora box, evn I knew more then that, the place I'm living in here, I hve developed many friendships with Arabs and jews for normal bussines and I think both are 2 different sides of the same coin.
I beg, pak army to take over, the country as fast as they can, bring top professionals from within the country to run it, and let real justice starts up to all of crouptors no matter, who may they are, in uniform or without uniform all, should be paraded and then shot down infront if minar e pakistan without any mercy, and then let professionals work and form real, political parties for the devlpoment of the country, as i told you we don't need these weak, conspirative Arabs fool kings and thier trillions of SOBs?
It's they, who needed, the security we hve enough to take care ouselves, let them face huttis from yeman, let them die by the hands of Iran or anyone else but don't bow down to thier feet for some money which isn't enough for any of our poor ppls ever?
Fight brother, stand up, there are far weaker nations on earth who stood and fighted out, thier problems and now are on path of good economy like VIETNAM it's was completely destroyed by USA but look they stood and fighted out against the sole superpower on earth and let it ran away from. Thier lands?
Brother, progress starts from dignity, honor not by begging, a few billions which were distributed by politicians and genrals all togather, cause no one can eat alone?
And no one is innocent in pakistan, nor a angel but still, pak army is the last hope, as I know in which there are many real brave and honorable sons of Pakistan who can do the job at any time when it's needed!
If not, you just be asked to accept Israel, but it ill be DO MORE like always!
I don't want to more mean, to you any way, but I'm sharing my pain with you as a common pakistani, who is looking at our military leadership to stand and deliver instead given us sermons of our bad economy, may God bless you for talking real and truth I never expected that you ill open up so much, but at least ppls like you in uniform are real hope for pakistanis.

Army is tasked to defend the country. There are many local and international enemies of Pakistan who would get a chance to malign Army again and cry democracy in all their speeches if Army throws out the elected Government. Maybe you don't like IK ?

Pakistan can capitalise on opportunities of trade and technology to strengthen itself economically in the absence of oil. If Pakistan had a proper industrial setup based on local research and technology, the working labour that goes abroad would have been employed as work force working on projects inside Pakistan to build own economy.
 
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I got the same hint from the foreign office contact I have. I think you also got this news from someone who knows the confidential information. Saudis had instructed UAE to start the open relations with Israel. they will follow suit soon they just wanted to see how their public consumes the news in KSA, Bahrain and UAE. rest of the Islamic world they dont really care much

Irafan

can you DM
 
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