General alert: Chinese troops on Indo-Pak LoC

[Rafi]

Actions speak louder than words. What you believe or don't doesn't matter.

And what you believe does, go back to sleep mate! You need it.

 

[Roybot]

Anyone here who thinks that Pakistan can take Kashmir in a war, and that China would attack India for Pakistan, I feel sorry for you and can only at this delusion.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Pakistan, for all facts and purposes, is China's counter (for want of a better term) against India. The sole reason China is interested in Pakistan is because of the thorny Indo-Pak issues, which keeps India tied down. If that is resolved, Pakistan would provide a land route for China's energy supplies bypassing the Malacca Straits. Do you seriously think China is interested in Indo-Pak peace?

I would disagree with that. Maybe that was the reason "at first", due to 1959 etc.

However, nowadays the most pressing issue is maintaining resource routes. Read the recently released 5-year plan by the CPC, and this is one of the highest priorities.

Problems with resource routes = Economic problems = Political problems. The greatest threat to China is internal instability, nothing else comes close.

Pakistan, in addition to being an old and trustworthy ally, is also our best shot at strengthening our resource routes from the Middle East, via the alternative route of Gwadar port + KKH. Concerns about India are secondary to this.

 

[gubbi]

opinion's are like a%% holes, everyone's got one, and they always stink

Is that YOUR opinion?

 

[Omar1984]

NO
Now let me ask you how much has the chinese contributed in solving the above issues????

Here you go indian zombie:

1950 - Pakistan becomes third non-communist country, and first Muslim one, to recognize China.

1951 - Beijing and at the time Karachi established diplomatic relations between themselves in the month of May.

1970 - Pakistan helps US make contacts with China that result in visit to China by then US National Security Adviser Henry Kissinger in 1971.

1978 - Karakoram Highway linking mountainous Northern Pakistan with Western China officially opens.

1980s - China and US supply help through Pakistan to Afghan guerrillas fighting Soviet occupational forces.

1986 - China and Pakistan reach comprehensive nuclear Co-operation Agreement.

1996 - Chinese President Jiang Zemin pays state visit to Pakistan.

1999 - A 300-megawatt nuclear power plant, built with Chinese help in Punjab province, is completed. China is helping to build a second 300-megawatt nuclear plant due to be finished by 2010.

2001 - A joint-ventured Chinese-Pakistani tank, the MBT-2000 (Al-Khalid) MBT, comes into full production.

2002 - Chinese Vice Premier Wu Bangguo attends ground-breaking ceremony for Pakistan's Gwadar deep-sea port. China provides $198 million for $248 million joint project.

2003 - Pakistan and China signed a $110 million contract for the construction of a housing project on Multan Road in Lahore[28]

2007 - Sino- became Pakistan's biggest arms supplier with no strings attached, a true "strategic partnership".

2007 - Sino-Pakistani joint-ventured multirole fighter aircraft - JF-17 Thunder (FC-1 Fierce Dragon) is formally rolled out. 2008, Pakistan starts mass production of the aircraft.

2008 - China warns US of war against Pakistan, during which former president, Pervez Musharraf, visits China, Musharraf raised issues of US attacks inside Pakistan.
Pakistan's foreign office (the first foreign issue to speak of Tibet) speaks for more than three times per month on the Tibet issue, calling for the world to stop opposing China and the Olympic Games.
Pakistan welcomes China's Olympic Torch warmly, and did not protest against Tibet when the torch arrived. In fact, when the torch passed through the rural hinterland of the capital Islamabad, local villagers showered rose petals upon the procession. As a result, China thanked Pakistan for its continuous support.

2008 During the 2008 Sichuan Earthquake, Pakistan almost emptied its national storage of tents to support China.

2008 China and Pakistan sign an FTA (free trade agreement). It is the first such agreement signed by the two countries. As a direct result China has opened new industries in Pakistan and Pakistan has been given free trade zones in China.

2008 China vows to help Pakistan in civil nuclear technology by building and helping in the Khusab Nuclear Programme providing technology to Pakistan for better maintenance of civil nuclear plants.

2008 Pakistan and China to build first ever train route through the Karakoram Highway, ultimately linking China's rail route-net to Gwadar Port.

2008 The F-22P frigate, comes into service with the Pakistani Navy. The first frigate was inducted in Pakistani Navy in July 2009 and last one is expected to be in 2013.[29]

2009 Pakistani intelligence agencies helped the Chinese government of catching several suspected Uyghur terrorists seeking haven in Pakistan and planning to launch illegal operations.

2009 Growing military ties between China and Pakistan are a serious concern to India, Defense Minister A.K. Antony said on Friday, in the latest display of a prickly rivalry between New Delhi and its neighbors. India worries about China's rising influence in South Asia and the Indian Ocean region, a neighborhood New Delhi has traditionally considered as its sphere of influence.[30]

2010 Pakistan and China have a joint military drill for anti terrorism. China donates $260 million (USD) to flood hit Pakistan and further sends 4 military rescue helicopters to Pakistan to assist in rescue operations, it was the first time China has ever sent such rescue operations overseas. Sino-Pak relations proved to be "All-Weathered-Friends".

2010 On 6th July, 2010, President Asif Ali Zardari arrived in China on a five days official visit. Besides attending Shinghai Expo, the largest business festival ever, he also met Chinese President and strengthened bilateral ties to promote more trade between the two states.

2010 Wen Jiabao visited Pakistan. More than 30 billion US dollars of deals were signed. Pakistan China friendship center was inaugurated in Islamabad by Prime Minister of China Wen Jiabao.[31]

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[9/11 done by usa]

good night namaste to my hindu neibours and allah afiz to pakistan and china we with you brothers

 

[shuntmaster]

And what you believe does, go back to sleep mate! You need it.

Its Morning here dude.. I didnt say my opinion counts. I said Actions speak..

 

[Rafi]

I would disagree with that. Maybe that was the reason "at first", due to 1959 etc.

However, nowadays the most pressing issue is maintaining resource routes. Read the recently released 5-year plan by the CPC, and this is one of the highest priorities.

Problems with resource routes = Economic problems = Political problems. The greatest threat to China is internal instability.

Pakistan, in addition to being an old and trustworthy ally, is also our best shot at strengthening our resource routes from the Middle East, via the alternative route of Gwadar port + KKH. Concerns about India are secondary to this.

Agree with CD 100% even if there was no india factor, Pakistan being friendly neighbour's and Ally's would still have a very close relationship, for decade's our bilateral relationship has been on a upward trajectory.

 

[Kinetic]

I would rather be called Chinese than be called indian

We will leave our Indian identity the day you call yourself Indian. Be happy to call yourself Chinese, Turkish Afghan, Arab, American etc etc whatever you want.

 

[Rafi]

We will leave our Indian identity the day you call yourself Indian.

KIDDDAN

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Agree with CD 100% even if there was no india factor, Pakistan being friendly neighbour's and Ally's would still have a very close relationship, for decade's our bilateral relationship has been on a upward trajectory.

Exactly right.

I welcome anyone reading this, to look at a map, and cover India with your hand. Even if India never existed, then China would still be seeking an alliance with Pakistan, a doorway into the Muslim world, and we would still be looking for a way to bypass the Malacca straits.

And China would always be grateful, for the fact that even during the early years of the PRC, when we were isolated on the world stage... Pakistan was always there to support us.

 

[Omar1984]

Anyone here who thinks that Pakistan can take Kashmir in a war, and that China would attack India for Pakistan, I feel sorry for you and can only at this delusion.

Most likely it will be a joint China-Pakistan venture on India.

The result will be that China will get Ladak and Pakistan will get Jammu and Kashmir.

The Pakistan army and China army already are making plans thats why there are Chinese troops on our side of LoC.

 

[gubbi]

I would disagree with that. Maybe that was the reason "at first", due to 1959 etc.

However, nowadays the most pressing issue is maintaining resource routes. Read the recently released 5-year plan by the CPC, and this is one of the highest priorities.

Problems with resource routes = Economic problems = Political problems. The greatest threat to China is internal instability.

Pakistan, in addition to being an old and trustworthy ally, is also our best shot at strengthening our resource routes from the Middle East, via the alternative route of Gwadar port + KKH. Concerns about India are secondary to this.

Both India and China are hogging energy resources, not to mention creating zones of influence in Asia and Africa. Creating a safe transit route for energy supplies is one way of outsmarting competition. China knows Malacca straits are a security risk and China cannot, atm, secure that route. Hence you have Gwadar investments. China in its right mind thought of using Pakistan as a counterweight against India and keeping India bogged down with trivial affairs. Most of India's reactions to Chinese 'initiatives' or moves have been kneejerk. Thats brilliant, I must say.

But like you said, Chinese government has created a monster by creating a fast growing, government controlled economy. If the government fails to deliver, the population is going to get restive and will rebel. That is one, among many such, fear of the CPC. The party will have to deliver - always. They do not have the luxury of failure accorded in a democracy. What if tomorrow the party fails to deliver? I may be wrong, but your fears of political unrest is quite true and its not a question of if, but when.

 

[Shak]

Pakistan can bring china and all other Islamic brothers on all over Pakistan. We don’t give Sh!t about it.
Chances of Real conflict are very small but if it happens then those entire ally will suffer a lot then what they are expecting.

 

[Rafi]

Both India and China are hogging energy resources, not to mention creating zones of influence in Asia and Africa. Creating a safe transit route for energy supplies is one way of outsmarting competition. China knows Malacca straits are a security risk and China cannot, atm, secure that route. Hence you have Gwadar investments. China in its right mind thought of using Pakistan as a counterweight against India and keeping India bogged down with trivial affairs. Most of India's reactions to Chinese 'initiatives' or moves have been kneejerk. Thats brilliant, I must say.

But like you said, Chinese government has created a monster by creating a fast growing, government controlled economy. If the government fails to deliver, the population is going to get restive and will rebel. That is one, among many such, fear of the CPC. The party will have to deliver - always. They do not have the luxury of failure accorded in a democracy. What if tomorrow the party fails to deliver? I may be wrong, but your fears of political unrest is quite true and its not a question of if, but when.

That's being a bit harsh on the CPC. Any government anywhere in the world would have the same problem IMHO.