Gen Tariq Khan, IG FC: We had to clear Afghan border village because NATO was MIA

[MastanKhan]

Hi,

Going off segement---I heard it in an interviwe on geo tv many a years ago---a participant in a discussion quoted a conversation someone had with the japanese ambassador to pakistan around or before 2005---' in what time frame do you think pakistan will become a successful nation '----the reply was ' never '---the question asked was 'why'---the answer was---the direction of success is in the opposite direction of where pakistan is headed---it will never get there.

A japanese would never say something like that---unless he was really really passionate about pakistan---.

 

[Slides]

The FC was still in force in the mountain areas---the al qaeda renegades coming down were ill-prepared to fight the constabulary---pak millitary made another blunder---they took their eyes from their SIX intentionally and diverted all their attention towards the indian border---pak wanted to tell the world that because of the indian army's movement, they could not apprehend the culprits running in from afg---they didnot have the resource---that was a totally 'thick headed ' approach to the issue at hand---.

Yes we had the resource, the ability and capability---it were just the usual daily shenanigans that the generals were acting upon---.

Prove to us how many FC units were active opposite the tora bora mountains or in FATA in Dec 2001 and what their capabilities were to cover all of the mountainous terrain, that US special forces and their assets could not cover.

If you don't have facts, don't start making them up. Fact is you have no idea about the mandate of FC or their capabilities in Dec of 2001. Do you think entire Pak Army could just move to Western border based on a TV report within a few days or even weeks?

Sorry to say, but you're completely clueless about logistics.

 

[Slides]

A japanese would never say something like that---unless he was really really passionate about pakistan---.

That doesn't even make sense. Japanese are generally smart people, but I believe in fellow Pakistanis and most of all in Allah, not anyone else. Your arguments are getting strange.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Prove to us how many FC units were active opposite the tora bora mountains or in FATA in Dec 2001 and what their capabilities were to cover all of the mountainous terrain, that US special forces and their assets could not cover.

If you don't have facts, don't start making them up. Fact is you have no idea about the mandate of FC or their capabilities in Dec of 2001. Do you think entire Pak Army could just move to Western border based on a TV report within a few days or even weeks?

Sorry to say, but you're completely clueless about logistics.

oo bhai
You think ISI is so dumb that they never knew about the whole 9/11 thing? and also the "failed invasion" of Afghanisan? You think media told Army about the issue?? Army has its own channels and one of the sign for us was Musharaf's take over....but we understood that he was coming to save Pakistan....
There are many examples of covert operations done by U.S. Special Forces....but they failed to catch OBL…
Ahan….
Well if they caught OBL in 2001 than there would be no reason for the U.S. to stay there…they had to stay so they did not bother to take steps….

 

[MastanKhan]

Prove to us how many FC units were active opposite the tora bora mountains or in FATA in Dec 2001 and what their capabilities were to cover all of the mountainous terrain, that US special forces and their assets could not cover.

If you don't have facts, don't start making them up. Fact is you have no idea about the mandate of FC or their capabilities in Dec of 2001. Do you think entire Pak Army could just move to Western border based on a TV report within a few days or even weeks?

Sorry to say, but you're completely clueless about logistics.

Mister,

You stop acting silly now. Gen Musharraf many atimes in his speeches and interviews made the comments that pak had to move troops from the afghan border to cover the indian border---this information is in public domain---.

The escape route from tora bora was limited---pak already had troops posted there---that is why they arrested a lots of al qaeda operatives in that area coming down the mountain passes---these news items are also in public domain---. You are becoming belligerant now---you need to calm down.

I don't know how old you are---but if you were an adult---8 years ago---you would have seen those interviews and speeches.

 

[Slides]

oo bhai
You think ISI is so dumb that they never knew about the whole 9/11 thing? and also the "failed invasion" of Afghanisan? You think media told Army about the issue?? Army has its own channels and one of the sign for us was Musharaf's take over....but we understood that he was coming to save Pakistan....
There are many examples of covert operations done by U.S. Special Forces....but they failed to catch OBL…
Ahan….
Well if they caught OBL in 2001 than there would be no reason for the U.S. to stay there…they had to stay so they did not bother to take steps….

Oh chacha, did you also want Pakistan to invade Afghanistan on behalf of the US to capture Osama? And now you're accusing ISI to have advanced knowledge or involvement in 9/11. Who's agenda re you following? ISI is not the super agency that some portray it to be. It is an effective agency of an developing country, but not without faults either.

 

[Slides]

Mister,

You stop acting silly now. Gen Musharraf many atimes in his speeches and interviews made the comments that pak had to move troops from the afghan border to cover the indian border---this information is in public domain---.

The escape route from tora bora was limited---pak already had troops posted there---that is why they arrested a lots of al qaeda operatives in that area coming down the mountain passes---these news items are also in public domain---. You are becoming belligerant now---you need to calm down.

I don't know how old you are---but if you were an adult---8 years ago---you would have seen those interviews and speeches.

Tell me how many FC units were asked to move to Tora Bora by the US when they located Osama? Just answer this question. Regular troops were moved into FATA for the first time in 2002. It is not a matter of tossing a coin when you go into the tribal areas. I am older than you judging by your limited knowledge of history and military affairs. I suggest you start bringing facts to the table before trying to create your own fables in frustration.

You have zero idea about the terrain and yet you think Pakistan has unlimited capabilities to seal any part of the border in the West. Has the US in 8 years been able to seal the border? Did the Soviet's ever seal the border? Did the British before?

Entire NATO cannot seal the border to this day. Your attempt to shift blame from the US to Pakistan is not only pathetic but very strange. You're under some major influence of Western media or certain think tanks/

 

[sonicboom]

So our country is in bad shape.None of us here is Pakistani elite and then SB you are saying Pakistani common people like myself should get allah ka azab.How will that help us..that's like destroying Pakistan's property because someone made bad c artoons in Denmark.?I really can't understand your rants i guess thats because i dont have my head up my ***.You're the same person who just to score a few points with xeric said all army officers are bastards for which you were banned.(I know you're gonna play the Military card again so let me tell you before you do so that i don't have any relative in Armed Forces).What exactly are you ranting about ?You hate the Pakistanis or what?What I don't understand is what exactly is the point of these posts.I mean its fine if you say that General Musharraf made huge mess but to say all army officers are responsible for it is just pure rant.All i see in your posts are just rants.There is nothing wrong with criticizing but you dont criticize you just post rants.Look at MastanKhan posts.A person can debate with him but with the likes of you..doubtful.What is your stance ? Can you please summarize in a single paragraph the reason for creation of this thread along with your stance on whatever issue you're ranting about ?What exactly are you advocating ?

Mr. Patriot:

I hope this finds you in the best of your health, and in good spirit.

You really impressed me with your continuous ‘rut’ of rant. This was something new for me that I had never heard or experienced before. Anyway, just to let you know that there are few more words in English language, other than rant, that are available free of charge that you might want to consider using in your future posts.

Not sure where I should start but first, here is a piece of advice for you? Next time when you sit down to write a post; just make sure that you have all your thoughts together and then kindly put them in a logical order. Thanks.


Rebuttal 1
I find it very amusing, to see you debating with mastankhan. Just a friendly suggestion, please don’t you ever try to do that or he will eat you raw. You are no where close to his caliber and it would take you a decade of schooling and training both in writing and debating before you even could think of challenging him. I wish if we have more people like mastankhan, qsaark, all-green and agnostic in the forum. If you find them crisp and polished, then I have news for you. They all live in West. They visualize and analyze things objectively, and with an open mind as compared to you and others who not only get defensive when presented with an issue but also refuse to accept other’s point of view. It’s about time that you and others get out of this hard headed attitude and ostrich style mentality, and get in the habit of thinking realistically and have some vision and goals for you and your country.


Rebuttal 2
I did not seek or ask for ‘Allah’s Hazab’ on you or anyone else as you stated. All I did was to state the fact based on my observations and what others had been saying. As a matter of fact, most Pakistanis are in agreement with me and see things the same way as I do and call this misery an ‘Allah ka Hazab’. Did you ever care to read some of blain’s posts in this thread? I would invite you to go back and read his posts for a rude awakening. Instead of getting mad on me, I would suggest that you get up this night from the comfort of your bed and try to bow down in front of Allah (swt) and seek his forgiveness for you and your countrymen. At the same time, I will also be praying for you and others for a better future.


Rebuttal 3
You don’t have to act like a bogey for Mr. xeric. Not sure what prompted you to go backwards and dig old matters from graves. Come on man, try to move forward and quit digging dead from the graves. I am sure Mr. xeric is a fine man; father, husband and a brother and I have utmost respect for his services, if there are any. We had difference of opinion and in the heat of discussion, we both went over board. You were quick to point out my mistake but failed to mention that he was the one who started all that and called me an idiot to start with. All I did was to reciprocate. This shows the measure of your credibility and exposes you as someone with less than truthful. It’s purely in line with a typical Pakistani attitude and mentality and that’s to state facts incorrectly by manipulating and twisting them. Just remember that Mr. xeric was trained to be an officer and a gentleman and he is here to represent Pakistan Army. To be honest, his writings still contain language that’s less than satisfactory but again no one has yet complained for whatever reason. No offense please.


Rebuttal 4
I have never called all Army officers B…. as you incorrectly stated in your post. Here, once again, goes out the door your credibility. Be a man if you can, be truthful and don’t lie. I was banned for reasons other than you are trying portraying. By the way, it’s none of your business and let the Moderators run the forum and make decisions. It was Mr. Agnostic who was kind enough to reinstate me for a valid reason.


Rebuttal 5
You and others are not ‘theeka dar’ of Pakistan. As a matter of fact, you all are responsible for bringing Pakistan to its current state. We, the Pakistanis who live abroad, have more love and care for Pakistan than you all living in Pakistan.

Would you and others mind putting our beloved homeland back to its best days?


Rebuttal 6
Following is a quote from one of your posts from the thread http://www.defence.pk/forums/national-political-issues/40419-acts-ghairat.html

Where you state
‘…. and these bastards.’

You don’t call your hero’s bastards. Shame on you! Mr. Khan sacrificed his life and career and moved from Holland, back to Pakistan, just to save your ***** from India. If it was not for him, you all would be licking India’s feet today. Without the atomic bomb, India would have brought you to your knees in less than few hours. It is because of his priceless efforts that have enabled you to even stand up against India’s might with your obsolete toys.


Rebuttal 7
Mr. Khan has immense contributions for Pakistan and I can bet, you and others can not even come close to him in next 1000 years. Of course no one is perfect. He might have committed some wrongdoings, but then again no one had proven him guilty in any court of law.

By the way, could you or anyone else just list one contribution, that you did for the betterment of Pakistan in your whole life, that you think might even come closer to what Mr. Khan has done for Pakistan?


And lastly, I consider this discussion to be closed and will not respond back for any replies either from you or others.

Wasalam

 

[All-Green]

MK

There is no denying that Regular Army had to be shifted from West to East...i still maintain that it would have been utterly stupid not to do this...

However there was no FC movement and FC was manning its posts and that is why there were hundreds of arrests of terrorists by efforts of FC.
Regarding the capabilities and the motivation of FC...it was limited at the time you speak of because it was not only bound too much in tribal loyalty but was very ill equipped and not highly trained...now it has become much more potent but it has taken time which is natural.

The IGFC you seem to vent your frustration (i too am frustrated on many things) on is one of the best officers in our military and was the one who slowly transformed the reluctant FC into a much more lethal force and gave it the backbone to take on the militants without regular Army support.
The reason for this transformation was that under his leadership the FC stopped thinking on tribal lines and became much more aware of the threat. The FC received better weapons, gear, training and also dedicated Tanks and Gunships.
He also formed a special commando formation in FC which has taken part in quite a few decisive actions.
He also was the pivotal figure in the Battle for Bajaur and if you read about him and the actions of the Brigadiers and the Colonels under him you would be impressed by the front line presence of the highest ranks in the operational area which gave Pakistan Army a huge morale boost and paved way for success.

This man knows what he is talking about and has proven his mettle, what he is trying to say is that just cutting leadership heads will not solve the problem and in that he is still admitting that it is important to capture the leaders but not the primary objective of the Military operation.
The problem is not one man and you of all people know that MK.
When we face thousands of trained terrorists then the problem is of the space that has been given to them to organize and perpetrate an insurgency of this scale...the primary is therefore to deny space, destroy the infrastructure and disrupt the command and control.
The capture of leaders who are on the run will take time and intelligence sweeps.

We did not capture OBL but a much better equipped force failed to do this as well even when it had OBL surrounded...we cannot underestimate the US forces capabilities so we have to acknowledge that OBL was very elusive and expert in moving about undetected.
There was no guarantee of his capture even if a huge contingent of our army was present in the area.

Let us discuss the post Swat operation scenario because that is when the nation for the first time truly rallied to the cause of Pakistan against the militants, terrorists and extremists...that is the key here and gave PA the true freedom it needed to act.
Let us discuss the success and failures in post Swat scenario because a war is fought by a nation...
Fazlullah escaped but we captured most of his key lieutenants, killed most of his fighters, dramatically reduced the violence in Swat and are firmly in control despite Swat being a very densely forested area and very suitable for the insurgents to carry on their fight, so did we fail in our objective?
I think not...

However the fight is far from over and for the first time the nation has realized that we cannot make peace with such barbarians...we have come a long way but a long way still has to be traversed.
We shall make mistakes along the way but the intent is clear now so the results are bound to come as they have been recently.

 

[TaimiKhan]

Below article will give a very good account of how OBL escaped, blaming Pakistan is no good when the US forces couldn't put foot soldiers on the ground to block the routes and its Afghan allies let them give safe passage.


How bin Laden got away | csmonitor.com


From: Haji Zaman Ghamsharik

"The US chooses to rely mainly on Hazrat Ali’s forces for the ground offensive against Tora Bora. Ali supposedly pays one of his aides $5,000 to block the main escape routes to Pakistan. But in fact this aide helps Taliban and al-Qaeda escape along these routes. Afghan villagers in the area later even claim that they took part in firefights with fighters working for Ali’s aide who were providing cover to help al-Qaeda and Taliban escape. [Christian Science Monitor, 3/4/2002] Author James Risen later claims, “CIA officials are now convinced that Hazrat Ali’s forces allowed Osama bin Laden and his key lieutenants to flee Tora Bora into Pakistan. Said a CIA source, ‘We realized those guys just opened the door. It wasn’t a big secret.’” While the US will never publicly blame Ali for assisting in the escape, the CIA will internally debate having Ali arrested by the new Afghan government. But this idea will be abandoned and Ali will become the new strongman in the Jalalabad region. [Risen, 2006, pp. 168-169] CIA official Michael Scheuer later will comment, “Everyone who was cognizant of how Afghan operations worked would have told Mr. Tenet that [his plan to rely on Afghan warlords] was nuts. And as it turned out, he was.… The people we bought, the people Mr. Tenet said we would own, let Osama bin Laden escape from Tora Bora in eastern Afghanistan into Pakistan.”

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0210-05.htm


So the US can't themselves do more, but have to ask us to do more, because they know they can't do anything, their record speaks for itself.

 

[waraich66]

Rumsfeld allowed Osama escape

WASHINGTON- OSAMA bin Laden was 'within the grasp' of US forces in late 2001 but escaped because then-defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld rejected calls for reinforcements, a US Senate report says.

Dated for release on Monday, the hard-hitting study comes as President Barack Obama prepares to announce a major escalation of the Afghan conflict, now in its ninth year, with the expected deployment of some 34,000 more US troops. It points the finger directly at Rumsfeld for turning down requests for reinforcements as Bin Laden was trapped in December 2001 in caves and tunnels in a mountainous area of eastern Afghanistan known as Tora Bora.

'The vast array of American military power, from sniper teams to the most mobile divisions of the marine corps and the army, was kept on the sidelines,' the report says. 'Instead, the US command chose to rely on airstrikes and untrained Afghan militias to attack Bin Laden and on Pakistan's loosely organised Frontier Corps to seal his escape routes.'

Entitled 'Tora Bora revisited: how we failed to get Bin Laden and why it matters today,' the report commissioned by Senator John Kerry, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, says Bin Laden expected to die and had even written a will.

'But the Al-Qaeda leader would live to fight another day. Fewer than 100 American commandos were on the scene with their Afghan allies and calls for reinforcements to launch an assault were rejected. Requests were also turned down for US troops to block the mountain paths leading to sanctuary a few miles away in Pakistan.

'The decision not to deploy American forces to go after Bin Laden or block his escape was made by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld and his top commander, General Tommy Franks,' the report says. 'On or around December 16, two days after writing his will, Bin Laden and an entourage of bodyguards walked unmolested out of Tora Bora and disappeared into Pakistan's unregulated tribal area. Most analysts say he is still there today.' -- AFP

# RUMSFELD'S argument at the time, the report says, was that deploying too many American troops could jeopardize the mission by creating an anti-US backlash among the local populace.

# The report, which Mr Kerry says in a foreword 'relies on new and existing information,' dismisses statements from Franks, Vice President Dick Cheney and others defending the decision and arguing that the intelligence was inconclusive about Bin Laden's location.

# 'The review of existing literature, unclassified government records and interviews with central participants underlying this report removes any lingering doubts and makes it clear that Osama bin Laden was within our grasp at Tora Bora.'

# The report admits that capturing or killing the Al-Qaeda leader, accused of orchestrating the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States that killed nearly 3,000 people, would not have eliminated the worldwide extremist threat.

# 'But the decisions that opened the door for his escape to Pakistan allowed Bin Laden to emerge as a potent symbolic figure who continues to attract a steady flow of money and inspire fanatics worldwide,' it says.

# 'The failure to finish the job represents a lost opportunity that forever altered the course of the conflict in Afghanistan and the future of international terrorism, leaving the American people more vulnerable to terrorism, laying the foundation for today's protracted Afghan insurgency and inflaming the internal strife now endangering Pakistan.' -- AFP

OBL is not real target but the nukes of Pakistan????

 

[Patriot]

Mr. Patriot:

I hope this finds you in the best of your health, and in good spirit.

You really impressed me with your continuous ‘rut’ of rant. This was something new for me that I had never heard or experienced before. Anyway, just to let you know that there are few more words in English language, other than rant, that are available free of charge that you might want to consider using in your future posts.

Not sure where I should start but first, here is a piece of advice for you? Next time when you sit down to write a post; just make sure that you have all your thoughts together and then kindly put them in a logical order. Thanks.


Rebuttal 1
I find it very amusing, to see you debating with mastankhan. Just a friendly suggestion, please don’t you ever try to do that or he will eat you raw. You are no where close to his caliber and it would take you a decade of schooling and training both in writing and debating before you even could think of challenging him. I wish if we have more people like mastankhan, qsaark, all-green and agnostic in the forum. If you find them crisp and polished, then I have news for you. They all live in West. They visualize and analyze things objectively, and with an open mind as compared to you and others who not only get defensive when presented with an issue but also refuse to accept other’s point of view. It’s about time that you and others get out of this hard headed attitude and ostrich style mentality, and get in the habit of thinking realistically and have some vision and goals for you and your country.


Rebuttal 2
I did not seek or ask for ‘Allah’s Hazab’ on you or anyone else as you stated. All I did was to state the fact based on my observations and what others had been saying. As a matter of fact, most Pakistanis are in agreement with me and see things the same way as I do and call this misery an ‘Allah ka Hazab’. Did you ever care to read some of blain’s posts in this thread? I would invite you to go back and read his posts for a rude awakening. Instead of getting mad on me, I would suggest that you get up this night from the comfort of your bed and try to bow down in front of Allah (swt) and seek his forgiveness for you and your countrymen. At the same time, I will also be praying for you and others for a better future.


Rebuttal 3
You don’t have to act like a bogey for Mr. xeric. Not sure what prompted you to go backwards and dig old matters from graves. Come on man, try to move forward and quit digging dead from the graves. I am sure Mr. xeric is a fine man; father, husband and a brother and I have utmost respect for his services, if there are any. We had difference of opinion and in the heat of discussion, we both went over board. You were quick to point out my mistake but failed to mention that he was the one who started all that and called me an idiot to start with. All I did was to reciprocate. This shows the measure of your credibility and exposes you as someone with less than truthful. It’s purely in line with a typical Pakistani attitude and mentality and that’s to state facts incorrectly by manipulating and twisting them. Just remember that Mr. xeric was trained to be an officer and a gentleman and he is here to represent Pakistan Army. To be honest, his writings still contain language that’s less than satisfactory but again no one has yet complained for whatever reason. No offense please.


Rebuttal 4
I have never called all Army officers B…. as you incorrectly stated in your post. Here, once again, goes out the door your credibility. Be a man if you can, be truthful and don’t lie. I was banned for reasons other than you are trying portraying. By the way, it’s none of your business and let the Moderators run the forum and make decisions. It was Mr. Agnostic who was kind enough to reinstate me for a valid reason.


Rebuttal 5
You and others are not ‘theeka dar’ of Pakistan. As a matter of fact, you all are responsible for bringing Pakistan to its current state. We, the Pakistanis who live abroad, have more love and care for Pakistan than you all living in Pakistan.

Would you and others mind putting our beloved homeland back to its best days?


Rebuttal 6
Following is a quote from one of your posts from the thread http://www.defence.pk/forums/national-political-issues/40419-acts-ghairat.html

Where you state
‘…. and these bastards.’

You don’t call your hero’s bastards. Shame on you! Mr. Khan sacrificed his life and career and moved from Holland, back to Pakistan, just to save your ***** from India. If it was not for him, you all would be licking India’s feet today. Without the atomic bomb, India would have brought you to your knees in less than few hours. It is because of his priceless efforts that have enabled you to even stand up against India’s might with your obsolete toys.


Rebuttal 7
Mr. Khan has immense contributions for Pakistan and I can bet, you and others can not even come close to him in next 1000 years. Of course no one is perfect. He might have committed some wrongdoings, but then again no one had proven him guilty in any court of law.

By the way, could you or anyone else just list one contribution, that you did for the betterment of Pakistan in your whole life, that you think might even come closer to what Mr. Khan has done for Pakistan?

And lastly, I consider this discussion to be closed and will not respond back for any replies either from you or others.

Wasalam

Well, I only suggested that you're acting up citing yourself as the bastion of truth and fairness and telling everyone else that you're posting something that's beyond their level of comprehension and you're doing it again.
Rebuttal 1:-
Did i say i am as good as Mastankhan?I have much more respect for Mastankhan and Agnostic etc but i dont have to show it on forums.Obviously he is much senior then me and much more experienced.All-Green does not live abroad..Blain2 also lives in Pakistan.Kaskirn also lives in Pakistan.Are you saying there are is no competent Pakistani in Pakistan?
Rebuttal 2
Yes, i do know Pakistani people are helpless.They say allah pay chor do and believe talibans are Islamic but i am not one of them.I far one donot support American aid or anything along those lines.I don't support Taliban.I think Pakistani should work hard instead of begging from others.
Rebuttal 3
Umm, you called them bastards...you said something along these lines (hey you bastards got your ***** kicked by indian officers) i would not be surprised if you deny this too.
Rebuttal 6
Well Well Well your mentality is indeed surprising.You think he could build the damn bomb without Pakistani contribution?It was because of tax payers money that we got the bomb.Beggars can't build bombs without money.Pakistani took the economic brunt of atomic bomb and you are saying it's ok to sell these secrets to other countries?I said anyone who is involved in proliferation is a bastard and i see nothing wrong with that.Who the **** gave them right to sell our information and then destroy our reputation world wide.We could have gotten economic sanctions and it would most probably have effected local Pakistanis not people like you.
Rebuttal 7
Well, he did admit on TV and i think thats enough and if anyone from army was involved i will have no hesitation to call him bastard.I don't think i am elite so i can't obviously change the system.I don't steal electricity.I pay my taxes on time..i pay my bills on time.I don't destroy public properties like the so called naik people who go around cities and destroy public properties in the name of protest against unislamic things.Despite having relatives in higher positions in government i never tried to do any work on shifarish and followed normal procedures.What else do you think a common citizen can do?Now you tell me what you have done that you're so proud off.Who the **** do you think you are? People who genuinely want to do something recognize how hard it is to get things done in Pakistan.Has it ever occurred to you that people like you are part of the problem? You say you want to do things for the Pakistan but the minute things get a little rough you swear you want to have nothing to do with the Pakistanis and that they should get Allah ka Azab. You pack your bags and move abroad.

 

[SekrutYakhni]

Oh chacha, did you also want Pakistan to invade Afghanistan on behalf of the US to capture Osama? And now you're accusing ISI to have advanced knowledge or involvement in 9/11. Who's agenda re you following? ISI is not the super agency that some portray it to be. It is an effective agency of an developing country, but not without faults either.

I never said ISI knew in advance...
I said ISI had better knowledge of 9/11 than media did at that time...
Media is not an agency....
Did I say army should invade Afghanistan?
I just said what U.S. did in Afghanistan....
They did not want to kill OBL...
I never said we should go to Afghanistan

 

[SekrutYakhni]

I have a question for you Slide...

Who has more information

Secret Services or Media?

 

[Slides]

I never said ISI knew in advance...
I said ISI had better knowledge of 9/11 than media did at that time...
Media is not an agency....
Did I say army should invade Afghanistan?
I just said what U.S. did in Afghanistan....
They did not want to kill OBL...
I never said we should go to Afghanistan

Than what is YOUR point? OBL escaped because of US stupidity. Pakistan is not the thekedaar of Al Qaeda and we have done the best we can considering our resources and political issues. We have made mistakes, but have learned from them also in past 8 years. End of story.

---------- Post added at 04:23 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:22 PM ----------

I have a question for you Slide...

Who has more information

Secret Services or Media?

Obviously you, MastanKhan, and sonciboom have all the information based on Western media and CIA reports!

Give me a break.