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Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

Instead think about that for a second sir
Sadly that is just geo politics.

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Israel-Palestine conflict and the complex web of recent actions​

Palestine lacks a holistic representation of Western standards


Shazia Anwer CheemaOctober 14, 2023
The writer is a PhD scholar of Semiotics and Philosophy of Communication at Charles University Prague. She can be reached at shaziaanwer@yahoo.com and tweets @ShaziaAnwerCh

Hamas’s recent action against Israel has demolished the façade of its cutting-edge intelligence and security, though it has made Palestinians even more vulnerable by providing the Western world a 9/11-type excuse to settle the final level of the purge. Palestinians are on their own, with no internal or external support. Hamas itself does not represent most of the Palestinian population. Thus their actions cannot determine the will of Palestinians. Moreover, the West has declared Hamas a terrorist outfit and continuously compared the Israel-Palestine conflict with the rhetoric of an attack on democracy and sovereignty of a country. Within a day, the western world announced its full support for Israel for a counterattack on innocent Palestinians.

Palestine lacks a holistic representation of Western standards. Their representation is in fractions, and they don’t have much say in that.
PLO’s systematic dismantling could be a key reason for that. Palestinians’ last and only hope is powerful Arab states. But when the Abraham Accord was signed back in 2020 and a wave of normalisation process started between Arab states and Israel, it was a serious blow to the Palestinian hope. One after another Arab states decided to normalise diplomatic relations with Israel, and Palestine automatically got pushed further into the realm of being a rogue state.

The G20 summit proved to be the tipping point, with an unexpected display of love and warmth followed by the announcement of India-Middle East-Europe Corridor (IMEC). Although just an announcement, it provided Netanyahu another opportunity of showing a new map at the UNGA, pointing with a red marker that there will be no Palestine in future. Both East and West have agreed, and a huge economic corridor has been designed to replace Palestinian enclave which will be a “deserted island” by then.

Thirty years after the Oslo Accord, Gaza Strip still stands isolated in what many call an “open-air prison” with two million people. Oslo Accord provided the two-nation solution which was not acceptable even then for ultra-rightwing Israelis which later resulted in the murder of then Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin and the rise of extreme fundamentalist politicians such as Netanyahu.

It is being said that Hamas’s recent attack was meant to send the message to the Arab States normalising relations with Israel that “normalisation will not bring any security to Israel if Israel cannot protect itself”. Even if the betrayal hypothesis is considered true, the timing and scale of the attack prompt various questions by keeping one element common whether Hamas has done it for Palestinians.

The declining popularity of Netanyahu in Israel and the upcoming elections required reiteration of the relevance of the far-right party and this attack has provided a solid justification for Netanyahu for being still very much relevant with his venomous rhetoric and measures. The idea of Iran-Saudi Arabia normalisation could also be the scenario as Western media is writing about Iran’s alleged support of these attacks which again put Saudi Arabia in a hot seat for revisiting its relationship not only with Israel but also with Iran.

The UN top officials have said they are “in close contact with all concerned parties to urge maximum restraint, following the horrific scenes of violence”. The statement itself is a self-determinator that whatever in the past and in the present is being done with Palestinians does not qualify as horrific violence; but the attack on Israel is violence and horrific. So the preamble has already been set, and it is just a matter of time when innocent Palestinian violators will receive the exemplary punishment. And the world will see it as a just act of vengeance.

Who will then support Hamas is a question one would like to get an answer to, because Israel has the support of the most powerful countries of the world. What role can the Muslim world play to stop the upcoming purge night for Palestinians? Is there any framework of de-escalation that can be made, and the two-nation resolution will ever be implemented? It is a complex web of strategic maneuvering having multiple strands internally and externally just to destroy helpless Palestinians one way or another.
 
When Bush was in power?

You are forgetting something:

"The Islamic Republic of Afghanistan reaffirms its continued commitment not to cooperate with or permit international terrorist groups or individuals to recruit, train, raise funds (including through the production or distribution of narcotics), transit Afghanistan or misuse its internationally-recognized travel documents, or conduct other support activities in Afghanistan, and will not host them."

This wasn't an instrument of surrender but the "demand" in 2001 only for Taliban to reject it at the time.

21 years later, Taliban accepted the "demand" and the current Biden administration concluded the war on this note.


The Al-Qaeda Network? Where do you see it?


Iraq was stabilized and looked fine in 2011.

But bad elements in Syria and Iraq plunged the country back to war.

So a new operation was launched to clear these elements and stabilize Iraq. It looks fine now.

Unfortunate, but Muslims should learn to fight terrorists instead of running big mouths. Sri Lanka is the only Islamic country that can claim success in fight against terrorism on its own in large part. Others not so much.


US has become a bigger economy and has better tools of war in the present. You need to catch up with times, friend.

All those thanking your posts should take notes.

@Goritoes
@Corax
@SalarHaqq
@vizier
@Mirzali Khan

Accept facts and not BS. The reason that you not see terrorists blowing up buildings and people in the US because US has done a good job in this matter. You have no idea who is who among immigrants pouring in.
I told you before, the one who stay on the battlefield is the winner. USA and Taliban didn't negotiate about the capitulation of either. They fought to the standstill ( stalemate) . Neither could have won, Taliban won on the points. Especially the last round was Taliban all over Americans. 13 dead during the evacuation and government crumbling. The exactly the same photos of helicopter runs like in Saigon. Like in Saigon. Good Old US of A left their buddies stranded. Nothing new here

Just because U.S. failed, doesn't mean we didn't try. Don't you remember all the excitement with women with purple fingers, girls walking to school unmolested etc.? We quickly realized these are all flashes in the pan that can't be transplanted on to a different culture. View attachment 961499
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Lets face it both Hamas and Israel are guilty of war crimes. Neither party's hands are clean.

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You are telling everyone both are guilty ? When your home, families butchered, raped kidnapped you want them to do nothing and wait for rest of the world to come and help them ? Reason israel has not yet killed all palestinians is hamas and hezbollah.

There is no proof they mistreated hostages. That party 250 kill claim also came to be false the party goers were mixed in crossfire by israelis and hamas. Hell even there is footage of namer or merkava near that party.

Even the released israeli mother with her kid have told in interview they didnt do any crime against her.

Sorry hamas is not. The only crime is israel and there torture of Palestinians.
 
LOL


Egypt should open its borders and host all Palestinians... Considering that Sisi is an Israeli ally this could be arranged?
 
When fighting isis thier is no other option.
You cannot fight islamic salafism with western standard
I think israel also need to build guantanamo bay prison to host all the terrorist we take
 
Lets face it both Hamas and Israel are guilty of war crimes. Neither party's hands are clean.

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Everybody commit war crime, American did, Russia did, China did, Vietnam did, Germany did, if there is a war, there are ALWAYS war crime to follow. Nobody is clean. The difference is, whether anyone commit war crime in the heat of the moment, or you are factoring in anyone committing war crime to progress in a war.

I want to say we, as human, has progressed to a point that we are better than this, but we are not, because war is brutal and primal, it's the same it was today than when the first recorded war in 16000 BC. Just that we are getting good at killing people.
 
You are telling everyone both are guilty ? When your home, families butchered, raped kidnapped you want them to do nothing and wait for rest of the world to come and help them ? Reason israel has not yet killed all palestinians is hamas and hezbollah.

There is no proof they mistreated hostages. That party 250 kill claim also came to be false the party goers were mixed in crossfire by israelis and hamas. Hell even there is footage of namer or merkava near that party.

Even the released israeli mother with her kid have told in interview they didnt do any crime against her.

Sorry hamas is not. The only crime is israel and there torture of Palestinians.
You are welcome to your opinion.

 
Nothing will make sense unless and until Israel can be guaranteed there won't be Hamas and Hamas's terror making abilities have been completely destroyed. U.S. will guarantee this with its full force of the military. The war is now Israel + U.S. vs. Hamas.
Shame Nato or US didn't enforce their guarantees in Srebrenica. Did they? Or was it yet another not so good day my chap?
 
You are welcome to your opinion.

why argue with him when he already admits Hamas took hostage in their operation.....

Yeah, I am pretty sure that hostage was not forcibly remove from their home and are all Israeli soldier and not threaten to be executed by their captor if Israeli does not cease their operation. I am sure everything I just said is permitted in war.

Everything is not war crime if you refused to see them hit you in the face..........
 
You are welcome to your opinion.

Thats diplomatic way. European union cannot directly enforce that israel is wrong and hamas is right. EU is reacting from same evidence as given to biden and later came to know its wrong.

I am still trying to figure out what is weong and right. Yes I could be wrong in later days more evidence will come if hamas did crime but so far no credible evidence.
 

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