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Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

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Do you think this is a strategic move by Hamas to derail Saudi-Israeli normalization?; making it difficult for any deal to go through unless Hamas’ position is ensured (recent Saudi demands of the PLO required more effort to politically sideline Hamas and gain back some control in Gaza) and Palestinians get something more then the Israelis are willing to concede at this point. Normalization talks in the midst of these images of death and destruction on Arab TV channels may create blowback if the Israeli response is significant and may even politically require the delay talks for a year, by which time Biden may not be able to claim it as success of his administration.
This is the initial reading, by few retired generals here. One of them appears on few Vlog discussions regularly, and gave his assessment and its the same.

I will go a step further and say, perhaps Iran has their hand in this pie. Not sure why, but I feel they have played a part. Its understandable, given what their Nuclear program has suffered.

Problem is that, most of the settled Arab countries today don't want anymore bloodshed. Many posters rejoicing here, are only pointing to one part of human psyche that is retribution. The other side is self preservation, and it gets activated more in those who are in a more comfortable situation such as the Saudis etc.

There are deeper factors here, where today most of the Arab nations want to have a better cover for themselves from USA. Those who went for it openly, have it and others who felt backstabbed played a bit of game and then went for it.

All this talk of USA a receding power is hogwash, being pandered to for propaganda purposes to fetch what they actually want. Like any other country USA has issues, but is going no where for another decade in the least if one wants to be brutally unbiased. Even if one wants to say that their economic power might reduce, due to debt issues or whatever no other country can challenge their hard power for next decade again if we go for least time.

If we keep aside the factors like:

Has Israel allowed this happen or were they inefficient on practical level
Has Israel got what is deserved on emotional level

What are we left with? A country bloodied, with innocent civilians massacred brutally and inhumanely who were not combatants (irrespective of their conscription service). Already support is flowing in from those who matter, and USA of all has promised all that Israel needs.

This is exactly the mix, where countries can do what they want irrespective of morality and legality

Hamas just shot the Palestinians in their head, by doing what they did here. The Arab world will be vocally loud, but will do jackshit when they know what's at stake. I am more than sure, they are no more interested in new Arab springs.
 
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Nothing new and changes nothing for Palestinians. They have always been the target, always been killed, murdered, arrested and rotting in Israeli jails for years. However this changes alot for Israel and Israelis who thought they were invincible, who use to enjoy and party while Palestine was bombarded mercilessly. Now they will know what it is like to be on the other end of the barrel.
Yes sir, but with what just happened .. People will find it hard, to hold Israel accountable for anything they do from here.
 
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Israelis have become Sissis.
Israelis from 1948-1973 had balls of steel and prevailed against all odds.
Today they became Libturds and that is the real weakness.
Not really, they just rely now on modern tech, PR, and foreign relations to do what they did by force of arms and some foreign relations in years past.
 
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The Palestinians are already dead. LOL MBS and Arabs are killing the Palestinians further. This escalation is due MBS deal with Israel. The Palestinians are not going to sit around and wait. They have realised that the world doesn't care.

Palestinians aren’t Pakistanis.

That’s the difference
 
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And you're the typical hardcore Sunni victim.
It’s honourable if I’m an wahabi salafism but at least we share with language and culture yet you pagan basterd aren’t even one why are you wasting bandwidth you Greek cumdumpster don’t stick your noses what isn’t concerning.
 
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This is not the end. This is the beginning of many conflicts. Don't isolate this war between Israeli Palestine.



What about Pakistan? According to Indians SSG is now participating.
I feel otherwise

I feel that, this conflict will see a separation -- where the Arabs who mattered in supporting Palestine, get on the fence.

Something the Palestinians will feel even harder, if they weren't before.
 
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The window of ops for IDF , TO VAPOURISE, HAMAS, PIJ, AND HEZB, , MYBE LIMITED,
CAUSE WHEN THE PALESTINIAN CAUSULATIES.N, DEATHS,
Start covering tv screens, the other half of world will start crying, and demanding sympathy,justice, rights,..of palestine,...

But the other half wont stop this time,
Till the thugs of Iran, arent, put in DEEP COMA..
 
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Not really, they just rely now on modern tech, PR, and foreign relations to do what they did by force of arms and some foreign relations in years past.
No/Yes.
It's a non-brainer that the Kikes were tough nuts back then.
Today they became weak, like all Western™ nations because of too high living standard and living circumstances.
Imagine Americans would have waged war against Afghan resistance like they did against Germany/Japan in WW2.
There wouldn't be 1 Afghan left in Afghanistan with their partisan actions. They fought, like the Israelis since 1973, with their hands tied behind their back because of shady "humanly supression".
 
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