Forget false translation videos. We're talking about footage. And it's from bodycams,CCTVs and cell-phones of people there. Cell-phones from Hamas men too I think. Why is it that hard to believe,that a group like Hamas,watch it I'm not saying a group like Hizbollah or Fatah,but a group like Hamas,did such atrocities?
Their own ideology and rhetoric is similar to other radical Sunni groups who did the same things in Syria in the 2010s. And elsewhere.
Because it's not that hard to figure out they treated them if not nicely,then at least with basic decency as hostages for PR reasons and maybe after they were advised by mediator countries like Qatar,Saudi Arabia or Iran. I heard,that 85 year-old woman who got released,was treated well,however when she was abducted and while being transported to Gaza,she was treated badly. So maybe the "caretakers" were different from the "raiders".
Videos already have been identified as genuine by Human Rights Watch and reporters from different countries. I find it extremely ironic that even when presented with virtual evidence,certain Muslims still decide to deny it. And this isn't just about babies. We're talking about kids too,we're talking about innocent people,unarmed people,we're talking about families or random individuals. Cars passing by and being gunned down,women shot,bodies burned.
And until I manage to find a raw version of that compilation or at least some of the videos not released before,check these:
Of course,how many Palestinian families have experienced losses of their children? Countless. So many throughout the years. But what's the problem here? I'll tell you:
1.The complete denial of many Muslims on the forum and elsewhere to condemn or identify Hamas' attack on civilians as haram.
2.The difference in the image and the message it sends to the world: Hamas gunmen holding a family hostage at gunpoint,inside their house,after having killed on daughter. Israeli civilians are lesser than Palestinians? Palestinian civilians killed are not the same as Israeli? We're talking about people on both sides. Celebrating their deaths is something bad. And we're not talking about soldiers fighting at war.
Many forum members, including myself, have openly expressed since the beginning of this thread and also in other Palestine related threads that - it is unacceptable to kill unarmed civilians. Islam has clear guidance for warfare and explicitly prohibits killing of elderly, women and children. Raping is haram. I have seen
@RescueRanger call out at the very beginning that he did not like the looks of a lady from a video footage, as he suspected foul play. Beyond PDF members, Muslim scholars in the real world openly denounced killing of civilians.
My personal opinion is that Hamas should have simply stuck to targeting military bases and any
armed settlers. We should not forget that Israeli men and women have mandatory military service and are able to carry guns. Thereby are considered as combatants.
I understand why Hamas made such a desperate move. I don't completely agree with the way they executed it from the perspective of Islam, but from a purely strategic POV, it made sense. In this one desperate move they were able to stall the normalization process with Arab nations and Israel. They brought up the issue of Palestine into everyone's attention. Israel's treatment of Palestinians in Gaza as sub-human prisoners. No freedom of movement, limited rights to basic necessities like water and electricity that too at the whims of Israel. In a constant state of seige against all UN conventions. Constant land grabbing in the West bank. Killing Palestinian civilians and children even without any active conflict. Palestinians are slowly pushed towards complete eradication, while the rest of the world, especially the Arab world is dead silent.
This year until June, 28 Palestinian children were shot and murdered by IDF.
Without the presence of any active conflict. I am not even bringing up the deaths of Palestinian civilians and I am quoting an Israeli source. What response does the Zionists have for this? Where is the remorse and apology for this?
How many of these incidents did you see get covered in mainstream media? Where was the outrage of the so called civilized world?
I asked two American Zionists in this very thread the very same question - they just hid in their cave and did not respond. I won't even bother asking the Israelis this question, as they are busy enjoying their blood lust.
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People are extremely emotional in this issue and there is a lot of anger. and understandbly so.
There are plenty of coverage and support for Israeli deaths and their stories in mainstream media. Yet they conveniently overlook and in some cases outright deny the genocide of Palestinians. What's the death ratio of Palestinians and Israelies in the last 20 years? Now compare the coverage you saw for Palestinian deaths vs Israeli deaths in the mainstream media. We both know the answer, it is disproportionately in favour of Israel.
Even the language changes when news is presented.
This has been going on for decades. This is by the very same Western world who pretends to be the Moral police of the world. Would you not be extremely angered if you were faced with such double standards? Of course you would be.
If you want Muslims to condone Israeli civilian deaths, then there should be reciprocity. I can show you plenty of Muslim scholars and public figures condemning civilian deaths. But do we see the same level of condemnation from the Zionists? No, we see denial. If anyone tries to condemn, they get shunned and cancelled. We see Israelies mocking Palestinians in social media. Mocking mourning Palestinian parents. Mocking the death of Palestinian children.
How evil is that?
Now put yourself in the shoes of a Muslim who is seeing this for years and years, over and over again. Would you be mourning Israeli deaths or would you be angered and rooting for Palestinian liberation? That's exactly what you are seeing here in this thread. It is easy to judge from the sidelines but it is entirely different when you are in people's shoes.
Anyway, no point discussing this anymore as we will be going back and forth in circles. You can't convince me to change my mind, nor can I yours. So let's agree to disagree.
