Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

[Gripen9]

Cutting off fuel is probably to deny fuel to rockets. Even when they are agreeing to food, water and medicines, they are drawing the line at allowing fuel.

Israel blocking fuel to Gaza to stop Hamas powering rockets and attack drones, experts say

Talks to release 50 hostages in Hamas hands stalled when Israel refused to provide fuel to Gaza in return, according to reports

inews.co.uk

So rockets are fueled by Diesel / Gasoline?

 

[sammuel]

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1716857003765575871

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[khansaheeb]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1716941170947801412

Jordanians are sensing that they are going to be next.

 

[_killuminati_]

Quick question - why should Saudi Arabia allow any missile(s) to fly over its territory, regardless of the missile's destination? Especially with Makkah, Medina, Riyadh and all of Saudi Arabia's sovereignty being at risk?

Considering that Saudi's are fighting against Houthis, is that even a legitimate question to ask?

That's like saying: "Hamas wants to attack Haifa, but will first ask the Israelis if it's okay to fly their missile over Tel Aviv".

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1716857003765575871

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Prove it's a Hamas terrorist and not a Israeli terrorist pretending to be Hamas.

 

[khansaheeb]

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https://twitter.com/x/status/1716857003765575871

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IT's all fake and staged.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

How the thread has turned from beginning to now.

When HAMAS was doing terror attack and were killing innocent people in Israel, people were here celebrating and behaviour was something good happening and Israel going to be destroyed.

Many neutral third members were pointing and showing concerns that it is unfortunate circumstances for Palestinians going forward.

But most members were just ignoring the messages and were enjoying the killings of Israeli people.

It also means that many members don't have FAR SIGHTED.

This was the another point where netural members actually criticised HAMAS because they knew that Palestinians will be paying the heavy costs of this mistake.

People need to be realistic not fancy as many members behave usually.

Finally, the hell Israelis have no rights to kill any innocent Palestinians at any cost, they might have shown some patience and plan of revenue with HAMAS with proper way to avoid killing of innocent Palestinians. They might have gone little slow and killed those HAMAS terrorists with better planning and tactics.

 

[Gomig-21]

I have come to realise something about the Arab leaders during this ugly war. The despicable truth about Arabs leaders is that they don't care about the Palestinian people and their cause. You only fight if you care about a cause. Arab leaders will never fight for the Palestinians because they were ready to accept Israel and still are ready to recognise Israel. In fact, the Arab leaders are hoping that this conflict ends quickly so that they can recognise Israel and start earning money.

Not trying to give you a hard time or anything like that, Lord knows the last thing I want to do is bang heads with you looool. Just trying to get a better understanding of this animosity some of you guys have towards Arab leaders. Do you expect them to actually fight like you quoted above? Make some kind of military intervention and start a war with the apartheid state?

If so, gimme an example of what let's say Saudi Arabia should do in your opinion.
Even Egypt or the UAE.

Since you did say "to fight for the Palestinians" then you're not advocation for something along the lines of what some others have suggested like be more aggressive than just condemning the genocide and actually expel the zionist ambassadors from their countries. Or cut off trading if they're doing any, even boycott commerce etc. That I would agree with, and I do think that they should do more in that respect.

But to start a war? As we all know quite well and have seen it happen right in front of our eyes in this war and in the Ukraine, it's not only the illegitimate zionist child of the United States, but the USA (and co.) will also bring forth its own wrath that would cripple any country and bring it down to its knees. No leader would ever risk such a thing, regardless of holding on to his seat or how much money he's making. Leaders are supposed to be cautious and rational, not impulsive or reactionary, especially when that reaction is irresponsible and could bring utter destruction and total collapse. Iraq, Libya & Syria even Afghanistan all come to mind as perfect examples. Does anyone even consider that? Or is it just about bashing them because they're hated scum? Just trying to understand the logic here.

Saudi should be able to do two things. Defend its territory from these missiles but also leverage its poltical might to solve the root cause of this conflict.

Without this conflict, the Iranian Regime’s raisin d’etre will evaporate. A viable and independent Palestinian state living side by side with Israel within the 1967 borders would undermine the core claim of all these Iranian backed groups in the region.

If Saudi made it a precondition for recognition (the actual establishment of a Palestinian state in actuality not just on a paper) for normalization, it would go a long way.

Your point about Iran is superb. That's not really an angle brought up by many. You never really hear or read much about the Mullah's 'raison d'etre' being the necessity to keep the continuation of the Palestinian/Israeli conflict to fuel the need for its proxies and give it additional options and strength to counter the apartheid state's constant threatening or war because of a supposed perceived Iranian "nuclear threat." It's really an incredible cat & mouse game played at the 2nd highest stage in the world. Nice observation by you.

The question makes sense only if the country being 'violated' can do something about the missile. Long range ballistic missiles may fly at high altitude to overcome air resistance. It is virtually impossible to intercept them in midphase. Even a medium range missile may reach an altitude above low earth orbit.
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What happened was I quoted the wrong post by @HGV . This one below was the one I was supposed to quote when I posed the question to him about Saudiya shooting down a Yemeni/Houthi missile.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1716909888872628341

The tweet claimed that Saudi Arabia has been shooting down several missiles fired by someone in Yemen, presumably towards the apartheid state. implying that Saudiya was somehow "defending" the zionist state and complicit in its crimes, so to speak. Which is obviously absurd and ridiculous on a magnagamothical scale!! lol. A delusional, bigoted, racist, hateful and deceitful comment directed at Arabs is all it is. So, assuming there's even a shred of truth to that insinuation, regardless of what destination those missiles were headed to, if the only route is directly over Saudiya's territory, then why the hell wouldn't it shoot them down without a spec of prejudice? Who the hell would ever allow a single missile, let alone several missiles to be lobbed from a neighboring country (a country with a hostile element) through its airspace regardless of who the intended recipient is? No one is the answer.

As far as your point about whether a ballistic missile could be shot down at its mid-course altitude which in Yemen's case, most of the missiles the Houthis have been firing have been categorized as ballistic (SRBM, MRBM or IRBM) then they're obviously within reach of Saudi air defenses. And they don't have to be intercepted only at their midcourse either. Afterall, they did spend $15B on THAAD.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1716946308249124913

Wow! Did they really do that? This is unbelievable. That's a huge hit on the apartheid state to downgrade their credit rating that badly!? Some things are happening, brother. This sacrifice might not be in total vein after all. T3ala nakol el halawa ya s3at el beh!

 

[khansaheeb]

How the thread has turned from beginning to now.

When HAMAS was doing terror attack and were killing innocent people in Israel, people were here celebrating and behaviour was something good happening and Israel going to be destroyed.

Many neutral third members were pointing and showing concerns that it is unfortunate circumstances for Palestinians going forward.

But most members were just ignoring the messages and were enjoying the killings of Israeli people.

It also means that many members don't have FAR SIGHTED.

This was the another point where netural members actually criticised HAMAS because they knew that Palestinians will be paying the heavy costs of this mistake.

People need to be realistic not fancy as many members behave usually.

Finally, the hell Israelis have no rights to kill any innocent Palestinians at any cost, they might have shown some patience and plan of revenue with HAMAS with proper way to avoid killing of innocent Palestinians. They might have gone little slow and killed those HAMAS terrorists with better planning and tactics.

What a perverted view you have. You are intentionally ignoring the daily carnage perpetrated against the Palestinian population pre-7th October.The cold blooded murders and executions of men women and children , the cyclic bombing of civilians areas, the apartheid rules and laws etc.

 

[epebble]

What happened was I quoted the wrong post by @HGV . This one below was the one I was supposed to quote when I posed the question to him about Saudiya shooting down a Yemeni/Houthi missile.


The tweet claimed that Saudi Arabia has been shooting down several missiles fired by someone in Yemen, presumably towards the apartheid state. implying that Saudiya was somehow "defending" the zionist state and complicit in its crimes, so to speak. Which is obviously absurd and ridiculous on a magnagamothical scale!! lol. A delusional, bigoted, racist, hateful and deceitful comment directed at Arabs is all it is. So, assuming there's even a shred of truth to that insinuation, regardless of what destination those missiles were headed to, if the only route is directly over Saudiya's territory, then why the hell wouldn't it shoot them down without a spec of prejudice? Who the hell would ever allow a single missile, let alone several missiles to be lobbed from a neighboring country (a country with a hostile element) through its airspace regardless of who the intended recipient is? No one is the answer.

As far as your point about whether a ballistic missile could be shot down at its mid-course altitude which in Yemen's case, most of the missiles the Houthis have been firing have been categorized as ballistic (SRBM, MRBM or IRBM) then they're obviously within reach of Saudi air defenses. And they don't have to be intercepted only at their midcourse either. Afterall, they did spend $15B on THAAD.

The Houthi missiles shot down by Saudi Arabia seem to be cruise missiles which are basically low altitude jets with preprogrammed target. They can be easily shot down.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

What a perverted view you have. You are intentionally ignoring the daily carnage perpetrated against the Palestinian population pre-7th October.The cold blooded murders and executions opf men women and children , the cyclic bombing of civilians areas, the apartheid rules and laws etc.

Frankly, who cares? ........ If you ask, there are many ongoing issues.

Examples are the genicode of Uyghur Muslims in China, issues in Balochistan, issues in Chechnya, and issues in Kashmir...... The list is endless.

Everything is linked to international politics, for instance, what is happening or will happen to Uyghur Muslims - Pakistani and Pakistan government ignores.

Similarly, all countries ignore such issues and prioritize their economies and national interests.

There are no saints or innocents here...


I am making a very clear statement here, one that reflects the opinions of the majority of nations.

 

[Falcon29]

The armed Islamic resistance factions loyal to Iran, which the Iraqis call the contractor factions, are preparing to hold demonstrations next Friday in front of the Saudi embassy in Baghdad, and they call them demonstrations in support of Gaza, similar to the Hezbollah demonstrations in Lebanon today in front of the Saudi embassy. The orders came from Tehran to divert attention from The resistance factions that are afraid to go to confront Israel have become the subject of ridicule to the Iraqi people, and the people bully them because of their cowardice and fear of entering the battle even though they have combat brigades in Syria on the borders of Israel, and Bashar al-Assad opened the borders to them, but they are afraid of Israel.

Al-Sudani agreed to the demonstrations in front of the Saudi embassy, but he hoped that the armed Popular Mobilization Forces factions would not storm the embassy.

Najaf rejected this idea, describing it as ridiculous and saying what does Saudi Arabia have to do with the issue?

But Asaib, Phalange, and Nujaba insist on demonstrating to save their face

The topic of the demonstration has not been decided yet

https://twitter.com/x/status/1716909942395805774

 

[khansaheeb]

Who the heck cares, really?......... Asking about continuing concerns reveals there are numerous.

For instance, the genicode of Uyghur Muslims in China, problems in Balochistan, problems in Chechnya, and problems in Kashmir. And the number is high.

Everything has a connection to global politics and domestic politics. For instance, the Pakistani government and Uyghur Muslims disregard whatever is occurring or will happen to them.

In a similar manner, every nation prioritises its economic and national interests over these issues.

Nobody is a saint or an innocent person here.


But, the majority of nations will not support such organisations if they kill any innocent people in Uyghur, Baloch, or Kashmiri territory.

I am making a very clear statement here, one that reflects the opinions of the majority of nations.

You seem to be drunk on cow wee as you are jumping from one topic to another which have no relevance to the topic under discussion.

COAS Munir meets Palestinian envoy, expresses concern over Israel’s ‘unabated violence’ in Gaza

Urges international community to play its role in barring Israeli forces from perpetrating atrocities in violation of all norms of civility.

www.dawn.com

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COAS Munir meets Palestinian envoy, expresses concern over Israel’s ‘unabated violence’ in Gaza​

Iftikhar Shirazi Published October 24, 2023 Updated about 14 hours ago




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Chief of Army Staff Gen Asim Munir (R) meets Ambassador of Palestine to Pakistan, Ahmad Jawad Rabei who calls on him at the GHQ on Tuesday. — Photo via ISPR
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Chief of Army Staff (COAS) Gen Asim Munir on Tuesday expressed grave concern over the “indiscriminate killing” of Palestinians in Gaza and called on the international community to put an end to the “unlawful use of force” by the Israeli military.
He passed these remarks during a meeting with Palestinian Ambassador to Pakistan Ahmed Jawad Rabei at the General Headquarters in Rawalpindi, the military’s media wing.
According to the Palestinian health ministry in Gaza, more than 5,700 people, including over 2,000 children, have been killed in relentless Israeli bombing since October 7. A humanitarian crisis has gripped the besieged enclave, with hospitals shutting down due to a shortage of fuel.
In a press release issued today, the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) said the army chief expressed condolences over the loss of Palestinian lives.




“The COAS expressed grave concern over unabated violence and willful, indiscriminate killing of innocent civilians by the Israeli Defence Forces in the war. Incessant attacks on the civilian population, schools, universities, aid workers, hospitals and the forced exodus of Palestinians from Gaza are manifest crimes against humanity,” it stated.
The army chief also reiterated Pakistan’s principled support for an “independent, viable and contiguous state of Palestine established on the basis of pre-1967 borders with Al-Quds Al-Sharif as its capital”.
“Pakistan believes that the fresh spate of violence in Gaza is the result of unabated repression, continued human rights violations and state-sponsored sacrilege of Al Aqsa mosque.
“Conflating this war with terrorism would be naive; taking a narrow and self-serving view of the issue as an isolated attack, obscures brutal oppression spanning decades that has led to this outcome,” the ISPR quoted the COAS as saying.
Gen Munir further stated it was imperative that the international community must be mobilised to put an early end to unfolding human tragedy due to “disproportionate and unlawful use of force by the IDF”.
He also called upon the global community to desist from “encouraging them [Israeli forces] to continue perpetrating atrocities in manifest violation of all norms of civility and humane conduct”.

 

[sammuel]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1716877958663844052

So rockets are fueled by Diesel / Gasoline?

So what was the plan ?

To murder 1400 of our people in cold blood .Shoot them , burn them , rape them , smoke them out , throw grenedae into shelters with families , mutilate them ( some freedom fighters .. . ) take 220 of our people hostage ( 30 of them children ) and than complain that we dont supply you with fuel ?


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[Falcon29]

What happened was I quoted the wrong post by @HGV . This one below was the one I was supposed to quote when I posed the question to him about Saudiya shooting down a Yemeni/Houthi missile.



The tweet claimed that Saudi Arabia has been shooting down several missiles fired by someone in Yemen, presumably towards the apartheid state. implying that Saudiya was somehow "defending" the zionist state and complicit in its crimes, so to speak. Which is obviously absurd and ridiculous on a magnagamothical scale!! lol. A delusional, bigoted, racist, hateful and deceitful comment directed at Arabs is all it is. So, assuming there's even a shred of truth to that insinuation, regardless of what destination those missiles were headed to, if the only route is directly over Saudiya's territory, then why the hell wouldn't it shoot them down without a spec of prejudice? Who the hell would ever allow a single missile, let alone several missiles to be lobbed from a neighboring country (a country with a hostile element) through its airspace regardless of who the intended recipient is? No one is the answer.

It appears Iran wants to attack Saudi Arabia while Israel attacks Gaza. They can easily just use borders of Lebanon and Syria to mount attacks on Israel, but rather they want to make it about Saudi Arabia. If we see any military action from them, it will probably not target Israel but instead Saudi Arabia. Strange indeed.

 

[Raj-Hindustani]

You seem to be drunk on cow wee as you are jumping from one topic to another which have no relevance to the topic under discussion.

Due to your biased narrative in favor of Palestinians, you want to focus on this. but will disregard everything else, much like most nations do when something does not serve their interests....

Most Members are saying - the world is silent but they ignore it and don't want to understand, why the world is silent.

People need to face the facts, but mostly they don't.

Killing innocent Israelis by HAMAS was never a good idea; HAMAS was well aware of the high cost that would be borne by innocent Palestinians. It was a big blunder by them to do a terror attack.