Gang of Indians fraudulently collected hundreds of millions particularly from Pakistani-Americans

[war&peace]

scam meaning, definition, what is scam: an illegal plan for making money, especially one that involves tricking people:

call it white collar crime, sham and farce practices, fraudulent or illegal means and what not...remember scamgress apt coined term.




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Here we go!!!
Indians suspect plead guilty in US multi-million dollars scam

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Here we go!!!
Indians suspect plead guilty in US multi-million dollars scam

Reposting your comment here...makes sense.

war&peace said:


Indians, in general, are known as scammers and fraudsters. American people are realising it and soon they will start purging their country from these scammers.

I had an Indian business partner and he started using my name to rip off my customers and when I came to know, I kicked him out and started afresh. In six months, he was on the street so he started petty crimes and eventually got caught. But even then I never thought it had anything to do with his communal traits. But subsequent experiences altered my mind.

Said that, I met a lot of good Indians who are honest, hard working and smart. However, unfortunately a majority of Indians indulge in scamming of some sort, tax evasion and other crimes.

 

[lastone]

Dont know why but this story made me smile and giggle a bit.
Guess pakistanis paying money to indians to stay in usa made me laugh.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Here we go!!!
Indians suspect plead guilty in US multi-million dollars scam

I have many similar stories from my brother living in US, they will try to get the details about job, the other important data from you in the guise of helping you in distress, and characteristics are difficult to change, it remains same even you move to a different country.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

It is a scam in generic way, the headline says that. Read the report

What is the Satyam scam about?

It is about corporate governance and fraudulent auditing practices allegedly in connivance with auditors and chartered accountants. The company misrepresented its accounts both to its board, stock exchanges, regulators, investors and all other stakeholders.

There is a difference dude or indirectly you are saying like all Pakistanis are Hindus in generic way. Many historians says so. Google the internet.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

There is a difference dude or indirectly you are saying like all Pakistanis are Hindus in generic way.

No co-relation, no comparison between the two here, it is like mixing religion and region, generic terminology is better than generalizing...like Muslims are terrorist, terrorists are Muslims...so on and so forth.

I never said that Indians are into scams en bloc, but a part of them are into it.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

Reposting your comment here...makes sense.

war&peace said:


Indians, in general, are known as scammers and fraudsters. American people are realising it and soon they will start purging their country from these scammers.

I had an Indian business partner and he started using my name to rip off my customers and when I came to know, I kicked him out and started afresh. In six months, he was on the street so he started petty crimes and eventually got caught. But even then I never thought it had anything to do with his communal traits. But subsequent experiences altered my mind.

Said that, I met a lot of good Indians who are honest, hard working and smart. However, unfortunately a majority of Indians indulge in scamming of some sort, tax evasion and other crimes.

Lots of generalization. Indians are most law obedient immigrants in US, also the most intellectual with highest number of degrees.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Indians are most law obedient immigrants in US, also the most intellectual with highest number of degrees.

What you have written is also generalization.

Lots of fraudulent practices caught in US regarding sending ill equipped, unskilled IT techies body shopped to US without the required education or rather lack of technical education. Shipped from the platform of big companies like Wipro, Cognizant, Infosys and the likes of them.

Americans are waking up to this realization that there is a huge huge gap between the people coming out from IIT,s TATA and Mahindra run institute in India to the techies coming out from the second, third tier colleges, the roof top colleges and poorly run schools.

People getting admission due to affirmative action, quota's, and that is against merit...so on and so forth.

 

[war&peace]

I have many similar stories from my brother living in US, they will try to get the details about job, the other important data from you in the guise of helping you in distress, and characteristics are difficult to change, it remains same even you move to a different country.

Well, I never fall prey to these telephone or email scammers, they are just too obvious for me. But he was a special creed. I met him at a local indian restaurant where he was working as a waiter and over time we came to know each other and he told me that studied at IIT Kanpur and also had an interest in IT. We was good in web-development. As soon as I finished my MS, I started my own business and I made him my business partner plus employee so that he could survive and leave the waiter/janitorial job at the restaurant. When my business expanded and workload increased I delegated him more independence so he started to deal with the clients directly and he had two assistants also hired by him (one of them was an indian girl). However, I started receiving complaints from customers and as per SOP I forwarded those to him since I trusted him fully.

But one of our client was an Egyptian and he had got a business portal designed by us (my indian partner and his team). He met me in the masjid after Jumma and complained to me that his portal was not working and "we' had demanded him to pay twice as much as our fee displayed on our homepage. I investigated, looked through other complaints and it was the same mess. So I confronted him and after some raging arguments he eventually admitted to his "mistake". However, he was reluctant to compensate the customers so I reported to the police and filed a law-suit, got some of the money back and some went into lawyer's pocket. The indian went to the jail. So I had to pay all the customers.

Opened a new business (in a different field) with help from family and friends and got back in the business within 6-7 months.

However it taught me a few lessons and one of them is engraved on my heart.....
But in the hindsight, I think it could have been anyone from any ethnicity or race.

 

[SecularNationalist]

Why...what is the reason for that. Going for fraudulent means and scams when you can earn a living with decent work practices.

Earning through honest means is hard and a slow process.Only with strong moral values and work ethics choose that road.
Well honestly hindus are good business men than muslims and i observed that personally.Their business ethics are better.
But again india is leading scam of tech and call centers these days.Looks like the bad eggs are increasing.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

No co-relation, no comparison between the two here, it is like mixing religion and region, generic terminology is better than generalizing...like Muslims are terrorist, terrorists are Muslims...so on and so forth.

I never said that Indians are into scams en bloc, but a part of them are into it.

This is what you said. See below quote of your. You yourself added "in general" word thus generalizing the Indian.

Indians, in general, are known as scammers and fraudsters. American people are realising it and soon they will start purging their country from these scammers.

Regarding your second post.

What you have written is also generalization.

Yes it is a generalization as it is a fact. You can google it. Indians are one of the most educated and law abiding immigrants in US.

Earning through honest means is hard and a slow process.Only with strong moral values and work ethics choose that road.
Well honestly hindus are good business men than muslims and i observed that personally.Their business ethics are better.
But again india is leading scam of tech and call centers these days.Looks like the bad eggs are increasing.

How many scams have your noora and other politicians did to be out-stated by your own SC?

Corruption is a behavioral pattern is quiet evident in some individual. We know how Nigeria leads the world of online lottery scam, we know how most of the computer viruses originates from only few places of the world and by whom, we know how only few weak minded end up being terrorists and putting the blame on religion.
Corruption or scandal is human behavior of few those who want to be rich through easy ways. It has nothing to do with region, religion, culture etc.

Italy and New York used to be mecca of under world gang battles. Dubai is still a hot bed of all international goons. Swiss banks holds most of the black money of the world and we all know it. Tell me what commonality you can find in them? They all collect money based on scams, corruption etc.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Regarding your second post.

I've not written this, how this is associated to me.

"Indians, in general, are known as scammers and fraudsters. American people are realising it and soon they will start purging their country from these scammers."

Yes it is a generalization as it is a fact. You can google it. Indians are one of the most educated and law abiding immigrants in US.

This use to be true earlier to quite an extent as there was not much economic migrations to US and rich and educated Indians were migrating to US earlier, and these days as well.

That all has changed in recent years with the IT related techies, body shopped to US in tens of thousand, there number per year in excess of 80,000 you can figure out there numbers in US looking at the H-1B visas numbers in last 12-14 years. And a large number of them are unskilled and ill equipped coming from roof top colleges in India.

Yes there are good educated Indians as well coming from IIT's and the likes of them, read my earlier comment.

Regarding your second post.

Got it...I just reposted the comments of another member here, it was written in other thread about the same scam, not my post though.

 

[Kambojaric]

The Nigerian prince better watch out. "Peter Johnson" from Hyderabad is the bigger scam threat today.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

This use to be true earlier to quite an extent as there was not much economic migrations to US and rich and educated Indians were migrating to US earlier, and these days as well.

That all has changed in recent years with the IT related techies, body shopped to US in tens of thousand, there number per year in excess of 80,000 you can figure out there numbers in US looking at the H-1B visas numbers in last 12-14 years. And a large number of them are unskilled and ill equipped coming from roof top colleges in India.

Yes there are good educated Indians as well coming from IIT's and the likes of them, read my earlier comment.

Dude, you need to get out to reality. There may be cases of frauds but still not enough to generalize it. All entered through valid US immigration process which were validated by US authorities through rigorous screening process. Dont expect every one applying for H1B is hardcore technical or from IIT. THere are others too. not everyone is working for Google or Apple or Amazon etc. There are millions of small level firms which require basic computer knowledge guy from India. There they fit fine. Still they have entered the US through legal processes.

Got it...I just reposted the comments of another member here, it was written in other thread about the same scam, not my post though.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

Dude, you need to get out to reality. There may be cases of frauds but still not enough to generalize it. All entered through valid US immigration process which were validated by US authorities through rigorous screening process. Dont expect every one applying for H1B is hardcore technical or from IIT.

You are a bit delusional about the current ground realities...what was right 10 years ago has changed totally, talking about the reality bites. Better to accept the problems and start looking for solutions than denying them that they exists.

Indian IT industry is facing a slump with new cutting edge tech. like cloud computing taking the key role here. In other field as well.

Check out these media reports..,



https://qz.com/965291/wipro-to-h1b-...rs-are-under-skilled-unwanted-and-unemployed/

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/h-1b-visa-indian-techies-donald-trump-tech-industry/1/815916.html

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/3-lakh-indians-in-us-at-deportation-risk/article17349894.ece

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...ian-it-professionals/articleshow/57981840.cms

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/education/story/engineering/1/579010.html

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...a-unemployable-study/articleshow/50703662.cms