G-20 summit: More power to India

[R.A.W.]

Any non-indian who looks at this map can tell you that Kashmir is more of a part of Pakistan and Arunachal Pradesh is more of a part of China than it can ever be part of India. These disputed regions are far away from the center of India.

And those non indians are only Pakistan and China .... what is the logic behind your statement?

 

[ouiouiouiouiouioui]

economic reforms that india took...has now placed in the top 20 list..

congrats to all ...

 

[ISRO2]

misleading headline, a very "india" news

China should come out of indian media fobia.

 

[oceanx]

Really appreciate your complementary service with your thick lip.

You are most welcome, friend!

Hold on - could it be true? Flapping lips (or its online equivalent) is deemed beneath the self-styled lover boy?

So instead of flapping all you can flap, when are you going to delight us by signing up to b all you can b?

On second thought, I am not actually sure if they recruit primates from HK. But do keep us in the loop, will ya?

 

[oceanx]

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What is the point of signing a NPT when countries which have signed are continuing in open proliferation like china which keeps supplying nuclear technology to Pakistan.

India's worst enemies are not Pakistan, nor China, but its own so-called "strategists".

Did PRC "proliferate" to Pakistan before the former signed NNPT? That was a fact. However, it was a two-way street as Pakistani scientists made contribution to civilian nuclear projects in China, too. And why don't you cry foul of the Soviets who "proliferated" to China (to a very limited extent), and the Rosenbergs preceding them?

Pakistan doesn't need any more "proliferation" from China as they are capable of carrying things further themselves - at least that's been my reading. And that's why China signed the NPT.

It's one thing to be the "village slut while faking a chastity monument", but quite another to call someone else the "village slut while faking a chastity monument for yourself" - excuse my paraphrasing from a Mandarin parable.

India of the 21th century, IMHO, needs to get out of this constantly crying "Yankee daddy, China/Pakistan made me do it" mode of excuse-making.

A possibility into the future is that China and Pakistan's strategic co-operation will have Central Asia/Khorasan as a focus. Countering India may not be the end-all and be-all.

China could and should do better in Xinjiang. We hope the Uyghurs get justice - not necessarily as a "country", but certainly as a people. There are Chinese - both inside the country and among diaspora who were less than impressed with the CCP using "terrorism" as an excuse to solve conflicts that are essentially communalistic in nature.

Anyways, that's a digression.

What India needs to do is to take a deep breath, go for what's necessary (tests or no test) in the near future to ensure the country's confidence in its ability to maintain a state of nuclear "ahimsa" (popularly known as MAD), then sign the d@mn NPT.

And not put it off for 10, 20 years - IMHO.

 

[BSF]

Did PRC "proliferate" to Pakistan before the former signed NNPT? That was a fact. However, it was a two-way street as Pakistani scientists made contribution to civilian nuclear projects in China, too. And why don't you cry foul of the Soviets who "proliferated" to China (to a very limited extent), and the Rosenbergs preceding them?

So you agree to the fact that China did help Pakistan with its nuclear technology!

China exploded its first weapon in 1964, and India did so in 1974. Between those dates, the NPT went into effect. Under its terms, China became recognised as one of the world's five 'weapon states'.

India, China and the Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT)
When did CHINA sign the NPT.?

For its part, India was left with the choice of remaining outside the NPT or relinquishing any possibility of maintaining even a minimal nuclear deterrent. In the light of perceived strategic challenges from both China and Pakistan, India chose a nuclear deterrent. However, it has been scrupulous in ensuring that its weapons material and technology are guarded against commercial or illicit export to other countries. Pakistan has been conspicuously unscrupulous, and China has been sometimes unduly flexible.

A little google every now and then helps.

 

[oceanx]

So you agree to the fact that China did help Pakistan with its nuclear technology!

...

When did CHINA sign the NPT.?

...

A little google every now and then helps.

What shudra like me agree to in a place like this has no bearing on whatsoever. Simply, I am affirming what's taken to be common knowledge: i.e., there has been bilateral civilian/military nuclear co-operation between Pakistan and China.

Talking about googling - what's this WNA? Is it not a uranium industry advocacy group? You take the bankers' association's words as financial gospel?

And meaningless, imprecise weasel words at that - "Under its terms, China became recognised as one of the world's five 'weapon states'."

So what year did PRC sign or accede to the actual Treaty? 1992 as recorded in black-and-white.

If you have hard evidence that PRC-Pak are "proliferating" behind your back, then don't waste time here, go straight to the Press.

RAW babies don't just sit there and sip tea, do they?

Besides, ongoing co-operation between China and Pakistan on IAEA-monitored sites is not unkosher, is it? I am willing to be educated.

BTW, just because America didn't quite live up to the standards expected under Geneva Convention in the last 10 years, does that mean everybody's signature to the convention is meaningless?

 

[oceanx]

BTW, I should hasten to add, India could very well make a pile of noise to "amend" the NNPT so that the 1967 or 1968 "exceptionalism" gets modified.

And of course, Uncle will resist that (not necessarily the others by my guess, at least not to the same extent).

The goal is to show an "effort", put on a "show", give some "good will" ... as opposed to giving the world an impression that "we won't sign, because we are Indian".

There is a world of difference, IMHO, between clamouring "we are not signing because it's discriminatory" vs "we are eager to sign, if you just make one small but important change" ... Of course, Pakistan's status would have to be equally accommodated.

Granted, there is no variation in substance, but there is a difference in "attitude".

And if "they" don't make the change to acknowledge your nuclear "have" status, thus preventing you from "signing" in sincerity - well it's "their" fault.

But you tried to do the right thing, no?

In Chinese, that's called "变被动为主动" - Google translate will do a passable job here if you are so inclined.

Of course, the CTBT is a different kettle of fish at this time ...

 

[BSF]

The resolution of the conflict came on 10 May 1996, when the US State Department announced that it would not impose sanctions on China in exchange for a Chinese pledge not to provide nuclear assistance to unsafeguarded facilities, its reaffirmation of nonproliferation commitments, and its agreement to consult with the United States on export control and proliferation issues. On 11 May, China publicly made this pledge, and informally confirmed that its pledge covered the future transfer of ring magnets. However, the resolution of the ring magnet controversy did not end US concerns regarding the Sino-Pakistani nuclear connection. Concerns remain about Chinese assistance in the construction of the Khushab reactor, and in August-September 1996 it was further reported that China had agreed to sell a special industrial furnace and high-technology diagnostic equipment to a Pakistani nuclear facility, equipment which reportedly can be used in the construction of nuclear bombs.7 China denounced reports of the sale as "groundless," and US officials indicated that they were satisfied that China was making a real effort to comply with its 11 May 1996 pledge, and that there was not enough evidence to establish that China was in violation of that commitment.

All that ranting....There China signed the NPT in 1992 and what was it doing in 1996 ?

Talking about googling - what's this WNA? Is it not a uranium industry advocacy group? You take the bankers' association's words as financial gospel?

China's Nuclear Exports and Assistance to Pakistan

The Nuclear Threat Initiative (NTI) is a non-profit organization with a mission to strengthen global security by reducing the risk of use and preventing the spread of nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, and to work to build the trust, transparency and security which are preconditions to the ultimate fulfillment of the Non-Proliferation Treaty’s goals and ambitions.

Since governments have most of the resources and authority in addressing the threats from nuclear, biological and chemical weapons, it is not just what NTI can do directly to reduce threats that matters -- it's also what NTI can persuade others to do.

That is why NTI's focus is on leverage – combining its influential voice with direct action projects to catalyze greater, more effective action by governments and international organizations.

There you go.....

What else do you want as proof...WSJ, NYT ?

I know, you will still not be satisfied.

Accept it. China did proliferate Nuke tech to Pakistan.

 

[Hulk]

Any non-indian who looks at this map can tell you that Kashmir is more of a part of Pakistan and Arunachal Pradesh is more of a part of China than it can ever be part of India. These disputed regions are far away from the center of India.

BTW since when did India have any control on Gilgit-Baltistan?
The Karakoram Highway is known as the China-Pakistan friendship highway that connects Pakistan to China, it got nothing to do with india.

great logic that way china and USA are in danger of losing territory. Distance from center obj my god.

 

[grey boy 2]

All that ranting....There China signed the NPT in 1992 and what was it doing in 1996 ?


China's Nuclear Exports and Assistance to Pakistan

There you go.....

What else do you want as proof...WSJ, NYT ?

I know, you will still not be satisfied.

Accept it. China did proliferate Nuke tech to Pakistan.

Let me give you a reality check of today's world;

Nuke-Free World Urged
+ - 09:00, September 25, 2009

The world's major nuclear powers should make "drastic and substantive" cuts to their arsenals and strive to make the planet nuclear-free, President Hu Jintao told national leaders in New York yesterday.

Addressing the UN Security Council summit on nuclear nonproliferation and disarmament, Hu said China would unswervingly follow a purely defensive nuclear strategy.

"To realize a safer world for all, we must first and foremost remove the threat of nuclear war," Hu said before arriving in Pittsburgh ahead of the G20 summit.

Saying Beijing has always wanted complete prohibition and thorough destruction of nuclear weapons, Hu also said: "all countries should join the NPT (Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty) and make real efforts to uphold and enhance its authority and effectiveness."

The NPT was launched on July 1, 1968. Only four nuclear countries are not parties to the treaty: India, Israel, Pakistan and the Democratic People's Republic of Korea.

It was the third consecutive day Hu had made a major speech before world leaders, but the first time he had addressed such a high-level summit on disarmament and nonproliferation.

Experts said his speech showed the way forward, but they pointed out that more work lies ahead.

At the summit chaired by US President Barack Obama, the UN Security Council unanimously approved a US-drafted resolution, calling for stepped up efforts to prevent the spread of nuclear weapons. It was the fifth time the Security Council had met at the head-of-state level since it was established in 1946.

UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon yesterday also called for nuclear disarmament, calling it "the only sane path to a safer world".

"Nothing would work better in eliminating the risk of use than eliminating the weapons themselves," he said at the summit.

Hu made five proposals in his speech, saying all countries with nuclear weapons should publicly commit to not wanting to possess them in the long term.

"We should maintain a stable and balanced global strategy and vigorously advance nuclear disarmament and the countries owning the biggest stockpiles of nuclear weapons should continuously take the lead in making drastic and substantive cuts," Hu said.

From a high of 70,000 nuclear weapons in 1986, there are today about 7,500 active warheads and about 23,300 total warheads in the world, according to the Washington-based Federation of American Scientists (FAS).

The US has around 9,400 warheads, with at least 2,600 active, according to the FAS. Russia has about 13,000, of which 4,840 are active.

Hu said China will consistently support nonproliferation and disarmament treaties.

"We have adhered to the policy of no-first-use of nuclear weapons at any time and under any circumstance, and made the unequivocal commitment that we will unconditionally not use or threaten to use nuclear weapons against non-nuclear-weapon states or nuclear-weapon-free zones," said Hu.

The Chinese president said the function of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) should be strengthened.

And Hu said developed countries should actively help developing nations peacefully exploit nuclear energy.

Zhai Dequan, deputy director of the China Arms Control and Disarmament Association, said the IAEA needs more power so it can ensure countries without nuclear weapons are allowed to use nuclear energy peacefully.

"(The international community) should also make the agency more representative, have (nuclear) scientists from all over the world," Zhai said.

"Security, peaceful development and cooperation were the main themes of President Hu's speech," Zhai said. "It shows the way forward for the world's arms control and disarmament efforts."

At yesterday's summit, Obama told the Security Council the coming year will be important.

"The next 12 months will be absolutely critical in determining whether this resolution and our overall efforts to stop the spread and use of nuclear weapons are successful," Obama told the council.

He said on Wednesday that the threat of proliferation was growing in scope and complexity. A failure to act would invite a nuclear arms race in every region.

In July, the US and Russia announced they would pursue reductions in strategic warheads and launchers. At the Conference on Disarmament, they agreed to a plan for negotiating an end to the production of fissile materials for nuclear weapons, and this week, US Secretary of State, Hillary Rodham Clinton, will become the first senior American representative to participate in the annual Members Conference of the Comprehensive Nuclear-Test-Ban Treaty.

"The US will stop the spread of nuclear weapons and seek a world without them," said Obama.

Shelton Williams, from the Washington-based Osgood Center for International Studies, said Obama's goal was "realistic", "but we have to remember the timeframe and the conditions Obama mentioned".

Williams pointed out that Obama doubts a "nuclear-free" world will be attained in his lifetime and said it can only be attained if nations agree to universal and stringent safeguards, with sanctions against violators.

Peng Kuang and Xinhua contributed to the story

Source:China Daily

Now thats whats happening in the real world today, get it ?

Come on, do wake up from your La La fantasy world.

Who in the world will ever give a damn what an Indian like you

rant ?

 

[hack]

BTW, I should hasten to add, India could very well make a pile of noise to "amend" the NNPT so that the 1967 or 1968 "exceptionalism" gets modified.

And of course, Uncle will resist that (not necessarily the others by my guess, at least not to the same extent).

The goal is to show an "effort", put on a "show", give some "good will" ... as opposed to giving the world an impression that "we won't sign, because we are Indian".

There is a world of difference, IMHO, between clamouring "we are not signing because it's discriminatory" vs "we are eager to sign, if you just make one small but important change" ... Of course, Pakistan's status would have to be equally accommodated.

Granted, there is no variation in substance, but there is a difference in "attitude".

And if "they" don't make the change to acknowledge your nuclear "have" status, thus preventing you from "signing" in sincerity - well it's "their" fault.

But you tried to do the right thing, no?

In Chinese, that's called "变被动为主动" - Google translate will do a passable job here if you are so inclined.

Of course, the CTBT is a different kettle of fish at this time ...

India has said that they won't sign the NPT if they are not admitted as nuclear weapon state...isn't that what you want them to do?

 

[luoshan]

Nuke deal safe, NPT resolution not aimed at India: US

PITTSBURGH: India’s hard-won nuclear reconciliation with the United States, including the civilian nuclear deal, is safe and valid.



The Obama administration has assured India that the UN Security Council resolution on the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and other pacts is not aimed at New Delhi, and both sides affirmed it on Friday.

‘‘We have been assured (by the US) that this is not a resolution directed against India and that the US commitment to carry out its obligations under the civil nuclear agreement, which we have signed with the United States, remains undiluted,’’ said Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, at a press conference at the end of his quicksilver 30-hour visit to Pittsburgh. Singh, who engaged President Barack Obama twice during the G20 Summit, added, “That (commitment on the nuclear deal) we have been assured officially by the US government.’’

Washington re-confirmed the pledge. ‘‘The resolution that was passed on Friday unanimously by the Security Council does not have any bearing on our bilateral civil nuclear cooperation, and that really shouldn’t have any effect whatsoever. So we’ve provided reassurances to that effect to our friends in the Indian government,’’ a senior administration official briefing the media on the meeting between the US secretary of state Hillary Clinton and foreign minister S M Krishna told correspondents.

The assurances should staunch the habitual apprehension in India that Washington will somehow renege on the deal and is out to railroad New Delhi into various constricting treaties, which India would rather sign on its terms. But the pledge to stay the course on the deal is not without expectations on other fronts.

During their meeting, US secretary of state Clinton reminded Krishna that there were many pending steps New Delhi had to take to fulfill its part of the nuclear deal, including getting a nuclear liability legislation passed in Parliament and formally announce sites for the two nuclear reactor parks India has promised for American companies.

There are also expectations from Washington for India’s continued support for US pressure on Iran not to pursue nuclear weapons, cooperation in achieving a successful outcome on trade in the Doha round and on climate change at the Copenhagen summit in December, and continued engagement with Pakistan to stabilize that country.

Resolving doubts over the nuclear issue was just one of the birthday presents the Prime Minister received on a quick trip to a summit that was more than a photo-op, and in fact, was remarkable for how much was accomplished. There was a huge shift in the economic balance of power.

The communique issued at the end of G20 summit reflected several inputs from India’s economist-turned-executive head, including avoiding any premature withdrawal of stimulus, abjuring protectionism, and committing to a shift in quota share in multilateral financial institutions from the rich countries to the developing world, a cause India has long championed.

 

[BSF]

Nuke-Free World Urged
+ - 09:00, September 25, 2009

The world's major nuclear powers should make "drastic and substantive" cuts to their arsenals and strive to make the planet nuclear-free, President Hu Jintao told national leaders in New York yesterday.

Addressing the UN Security Council summit on nuclear nonproliferation and disarmament, Hu said China would unswervingly follow a purely defensive nuclear strategy.

"To realize a safer world for all, we must first and foremost remove the threat of nuclear war," Hu said before arriving in Pittsburgh ahead of the G20 summit.

===BULL===

Source:China Daily

Your poor English comprehension skills do not surprise me at all.
Do you even know what we are talking about????

Come on, do wake up from your La La fantasy world.

Who in the world will ever give a damn what an Indian like you

rant ?

Was that supposed to make sense?
Poor English comprehension skills at work again.!!!

 

[luoshan]

Nuke deal safe, NPT resolution not aimed at India: US

PITTSBURGH: India’s hard-won nuclear reconciliation with the United States, including the civilian nuclear deal, is safe and valid.



The Obama administration has assured India that the UN Security Council resolution on the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and other pacts is not aimed at New Delhi, and both sides affirmed it on Friday.

‘‘We have been assured (by the US) that this is not a resolution directed against India and that the US commitment to carry out its obligations under the civil nuclear agreement, which we have signed with the United States, remains undiluted,’’ said Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, at a press conference at the end of his quicksilver 30-hour visit to Pittsburgh. Singh, who engaged President Barack Obama twice during the G20 Summit, added, “That (commitment on the nuclear deal) we have been assured officially by the US government.’’

Washington re-confirmed the pledge. ‘‘The resolution that was passed on Friday unanimously by the Security Council does not have any bearing on our bilateral civil nuclear cooperation, and that really shouldn’t have any effect whatsoever. So we’ve provided reassurances to that effect to our friends in the Indian government,’’ a senior administration official briefing the media on the meeting between the US secretary of state Hillary Clinton and foreign minister S M Krishna told correspondents.

The assurances should staunch the habitual apprehension in India that Washington will somehow renege on the deal and is out to railroad New Delhi into various constricting treaties, which India would rather sign on its terms. But the pledge to stay the course on the deal is not without expectations on other fronts.

During their meeting, US secretary of state Clinton reminded Krishna that there were many pending steps New Delhi had to take to fulfill its part of the nuclear deal, including getting a nuclear liability legislation passed in Parliament and formally announce sites for the two nuclear reactor parks India has promised for American companies.

There are also expectations from Washington for India’s continued support for US pressure on Iran not to pursue nuclear weapons, cooperation in achieving a successful outcome on trade in the Doha round and on climate change at the Copenhagen summit in December, and continued engagement with Pakistan to stabilize that country.

Resolving doubts over the nuclear issue was just one of the birthday presents the Prime Minister received on a quick trip to a summit that was more than a photo-op, and in fact, was remarkable for how much was accomplished. There was a huge shift in the economic balance of power.

The communique issued at the end of G20 summit reflected several inputs from India’s economist-turned-executive head, including avoiding any premature withdrawal of stimulus, abjuring protectionism, and committing to a shift in quota share in multilateral financial institutions from the rich countries to the developing world, a cause India has long championed.