Fuure of East Indian Punjab & Khalistan by Zaheerul Hassan

[Zaheerul Hassan]

Un sochoo aur lagiya rehoo. Jiya Khalsa

 

[GORKHALI]

:cheeky: why PDF MODS EVEN ALLOW SOMETHING AS STUP ARTICLE AS THAT?

 

[PureAryan]

Common man, pakistan is passing through worst phase in history.
As already seen and pointed out there are alot of Gadhars out there, more over people are with different views and mindsets are really easy to break.

So pray, that Khalistan movement doesn't start at this point of time atleast.

Otherwise "Raj karega Khalsa, Amritsar toh Kabul, Via Lahore"

The Sikh rule in the history of the subcontinent is a footnote in history

If you think Sikhs can ever match the barbarity of pushtun then you are wrong, Abdali led eight campaigns across the Indus. He ravaged Punjab as far as Dehli, annexed Lahore and Multan and extended his empire to all of western Punjab and Kashmir. Abdali carried out sikh holocaust on its every trip to punjab

You wish that sikh could capture Kabul, they were unable to subjugate pushtun tribes, Sikhs unleashed a reign of terror and built the Jamrud Fort, which rises above the sur¬rounding flat like a "battleship", to control the mouth of the Khyber Pass. Peshawar contains no architectural monuments of any value is due mainly to the sikh devastations of 1823.

Sikhs originated as a group of bandits that would steal rich Muslim caravans; the Sikhs then raided and pillaged the land and forced their ideology on low-class Hindus.

The Mughals fought against the tyranny in an act of retaliation! They tried to stop these criminals from stealing and looting!

Sikhs only occupied 3 pushtun cities Peshawar, Bannu and the Derajaat. They made no attempt to occupy the hill territories and never entered Swat, Buner, Bajaur, the Kurram Valley or Waziristan. Sikhs could not go beyond Peshawar an Inch

Ranjeet Singh was a mass-murderer and tyrant! The Sikh kingdom was the darkest period in the history of Punjab!


The Sikhs were opportunists and started their short-lived kingdom for a few decades, soon to be destroyed by the British a short time after!

 

[twoplustwoisfour]

Thread intended to troll, nothing else. This is the most idiotic piece of garbage I have ever read. The British denied Maoists a separates state? Does the author/OP even know WHEN maoist movement started in India?

Utter Bullshit

 

[Nalwa]

The Sikh rule in the history of the subcontinent is a footnote in history

If you think Sikhs can ever match the barbarity of pushtun then you are wrong, Abdali led eight campaigns across the Indus. He ravaged Punjab as far as Dehli, annexed Lahore and Multan and extended his empire to all of western Punjab and Kashmir. Abdali carried out sikh holocaust on its every trip to punjab
You wish that sikh could capture Kabul, they were unable to subjugate pushtun tribes, Sikhs unleashed a reign of terror and built the Jamrud Fort, which rises above the sur¬rounding flat like a "battleship", to control the mouth of the Khyber Pass. Peshawar contains no architectural monuments of any value is due mainly to the devastations of 1823.

Sikhs originated as a group of bandits that would steal rich Muslim caravans; the Sikhs then raided and pillaged the land and forced their ideology on low-class Hindus.

The Mughals fought against the tyranny in an act of retaliation! They tried to stop these criminals from stealing and looting!

Sikhs only occupied 3 cities Peshawar, Bannu and the Derajaat. They made no attempt to occupy the hill territories and never entered Swat, Buner, Bajaur, the Kurram Valley or Waziristan. Sikhs could not go beyond Peshawar an Inch

Ranjeet Singh was a mass-murderer and tyrant! The Sikh kingdom was the darkest period in the history of Punjab!

The Sikhs were opportunists and started their short-lived kingdom for a few decades, soon to be destroyed by the British a short time after!

We paid back in kind and are proud of that.

Regarding Ranjeet Singh, read the following from the best known Pakistani blog, Pak Tea House. And do read the comments by your fellow Pakistanis as well-

Ranjit Singh : The Quintessential Indus Man

By Yasser Latif Hamdani

Today (29th June) is the 170th death anniversary of Maharaja Ranjit Singh, the Bismarck of Punjab and Pakhtunkhwa, whose great Indus state was the forerunner of Pakistan.

Narrowminded ideologues – writing in the aftermath of bitter communal bloodletting accompanying the birth of Pakistan- have not been able to fully appreciate the significance of this great statesman to the state of Pakistan. If they were to apply their minds to the history of the Punjab from late 18th to mid 19th century theywould find in support of the legal arguments employed by Jinnah a hundred years later. The great tragedy ofcourse was that Sikh leadership could not come to terms with Jinnah in 1947 even though the latter had given them a blank cheque.

Maharaja Ranjit Singh literally cobbled together a number of principalities to forge an independent state from Kashmir to NWFP consisting of Punjabis and Pakhtuns, Muslims and Hindus. This state had its own foreign relations and foreign policy. It also showed that India was never one country but a continent which was to become the basic premise upon which Muslim League was t0 build its case for Pakistan. More importantly, however, Ranjit Singh laid the foundations for the Punjabi parochialism that was to create such a huge problem for both Indian National Congress and the All India Muslim League, forcing the latter to search for a slogan that sought to tame this parochialism. It was this powerful parochialism that Jinnah referred to when he told Mountbatten that “A Punjabi is a Punjabi before he is a Muslim or Hindu ” while arguing against the partition of the province. This identity was given to the Punjabis by Ranjit Singh.

How did this one-eyed Sikh warrior manage to bring together Punjabi Musalmans, Sikhs, Hindus and Pushtun Musalmans together in this one great Sikh-dominated state remains a mystery. It is said that a calligrapher tried to sell a beautifully copy of the Quran to Ranjit Singh’s Foreign Minister Fakir Azizuddin who wouldn’t buy it. Ranjit Singh overheard the argument, took the Holy Quran, kissed it and bought it for a price in excess of what is being asked. When asked why he replied “God gave me one eye – so that I could see all religions with the same eye”. Our historians would have us believe that this man defiled the Badshahi Mosque.

Perhaps the most poignant lessons that the Pakistani state can learn from the Maharaja is the way he brought the Wahabi-led Islamist insurgency against the state in form of Syed Ahmad and Shah Abdul Aziz. These forerunners of the modern day Taliban and Al Qaeda had taken refuge in NWFP and had used the Pathan tribesmen to wage a “Jehad” against Ranjit Singh and his state which was in any event Muslim majority. Ranjit Singh and the Army of the Indus crushed this earliest insurgency of the Taliban, pushing back Afghans who had occupied Peshawar since Mahmud Ghaznavi’s time, thus establishing what was to become the permanent border of British India later and consequently Pakistan’s border. It is often said that the British and Russians failed to subdue insurgencies in the tribal area. It is suggested that the US might lose the war as well. However, Ranjit Singh proved that the Army of Indus could defeat this insurgency. Today another Army of the Indus is fighting yet another war in the same region to safeguard another Muslim majority state against a “Jehad”. Inshallah the Army of the Indus will overcome.

This is no call for Punjabi parochialism lest I be mistaken- I believe in Punjab being divided up into several provinces. My interest in Ranjit Singh is purely from a Pakistani angle. Just as we admire Tipu Sultan but do not become Mysore Nationalists, we don’t become Punjabi nationalists by admiring Ranjit Singh. This is however an attempt to honor one of the greatest sons of this soil from whom the Pakistani nation state can learn a thing or two in state-craft.

 

[Last Hope]

Who would bother reading all this cr*p happening over here?
This thread should be deleted.

 

[TalhaBinTariq]

It would be very good, not only for Sikhs, but for Pakistani Defense as well. With a Sikh State created at east of Wagah, it would be a barrier from true "Secular" India. Jus like Eastern Europe. Pakistan would equip its Sikh neighbor's Armed forces. Afterall if a Sikh Cadet can get commission in Pak Army, why won't Pakistan cater for defense need for its Eastern neighbor? Pakistan has supplied F-7 P Sky-bolt and "Al-Zarrar" Main Battle Tank System to Bangladesh.

 

[killeragent]

The Sikh rule in the history of the subcontinent is a footnote in history

If you think Sikhs can ever match the barbarity of pushtun then you are wrong, Abdali led eight campaigns across the Indus. He ravaged Punjab as far as Dehli, annexed Lahore and Multan and extended his empire to all of western Punjab and Kashmir. Abdali carried out sikh holocaust on its every trip to punjab

You wish that sikh could capture Kabul, they were unable to subjugate pushtun tribes, Sikhs unleashed a reign of terror and built the Jamrud Fort, which rises above the sur¬rounding flat like a "battleship", to control the mouth of the Khyber Pass. Peshawar contains no architectural monuments of any value is due mainly to the sikh devastations of 1823.

Sikhs originated as a group of bandits that would steal rich Muslim caravans; the Sikhs then raided and pillaged the land and forced their ideology on low-class Hindus.

The Mughals fought against the tyranny in an act of retaliation! They tried to stop these criminals from stealing and looting!

Sikhs only occupied 3 pushtun cities Peshawar, Bannu and the Derajaat. They made no attempt to occupy the hill territories and never entered Swat, Buner, Bajaur, the Kurram Valley or Waziristan. Sikhs could not go beyond Peshawar an Inch

Ranjeet Singh was a mass-murderer and tyrant! The Sikh kingdom was the darkest period in the history of Punjab!


The Sikhs were opportunists and started their short-lived kingdom for a few decades, soon to be destroyed by the British a short time after!

If you think sikhs won empires on bases of barbarism as by Pashtuns and Mughals.
Than i end my argument right here


Would see you next time, when you come back after reading Sikh History.

 

[PureAryan]

We paid back in kind and are proud of that.

Regarding Ranjeet Singh, read the following from the best known Pakistani blog, Pak Tea House. And do read the comments by your fellow Pakistanis as well-

Ranjit Singh : The Quintessential Indus Man

No sir, you never paid back, You cannot compare the savagery of lionhearted pushtuns with a group of bandits that would steal rich Muslim caravans then raid and pillage the land and force their ideology on low-class Hindus.

By occupying 3 pushtun cities and killing defenseless women and children is not an act of revenge That is cowardness,

About this article which is written by some self defeatist punjabi muslim, Ranjith may be a good leader to punjabis but he was cruel to kashmiris and pushtuns

 

[Masterchief]

@Zaheerul Hassan: you can make a fortune if you write for Rupee News, dont waste your talents here. @purearyan: your anti indian rants are now amusing, the sikhs dont want a khalistan state (btw khalistanis claim that khalistan will stretch all the way to lahore)lol @indian members: i think we have answered enough of this sh!t, let us leave all the kids and wannabe writers alone.

 

[Nalwa]

No sir, you never paid back, You cannot compare the savagery of lionhearted pushtuns with a group of bandits that would steal rich Muslim caravans then raid and pillage the land and force their ideology on low-class Hindus.

By occupying 3 pushtun cities and killing defenseless women and children is not a revenge That is cowardness,

Sikhs made up 20% of Punjab's population and lesser in areas that they occupied under the Misls and Ranjeet Singh - Kashmir, Peshawar and the Western Hill states. By all neutral records Sikhs never constituted more than 70% of the Khalsa Army. The artillery was overwhelming Punjabi Muslim. So how do you suppose they were able to mount barbarity of the scale that you describe when their own population and their own army had huge numbers of Muslims.

Its true that wrongs and excesses were committed. But as I said they were nothing if not being paid in kind for the atrocities that we had suffered under the Mughals and later the Afghans, prominently Abdali.

About this article which is written by some self defeatist muslim, he may a good leader to punjabis but he was cruel to kashmiris and pushtuns

You are displaying an immaturity and lack of perspective by making such a statement. YLH is one of the most respected bloggers and scholars that Pakistan has known. I'd advise you to read up and visit that blog before shooting your mouth.

 

[big buddy]

Raj karega khalsa Amritsar se kabul tak.

and how will that happen ?? where will taliban's be dumped??

 

[BackStabber]

Raj karega khalsa

Exactly and Lahore will be the capital....Khalistan Zindabad

 

[PureAryan]

Sikhs made up 20% of Punjab's population and lesser in areas that they occupied under the Misls and Ranjeet Singh - Kashmir, Peshawar and the Western Hill states. By all neutral records Sikhs never constituted more than 70% of the Khalsa Army. The artillery was overwhelming Punjabi Muslim. So how do you suppose they were able to mount barbarity of the scale that you describe when their own population and their own army had huge numbers of Muslims.

Its true that wrongs and excesses were committed. But as I said they were nothing if not being paid in kind for the atrocities that we had suffered under the Mughals and later the Afghans, prominently Abdali.


You are displaying an immaturity and lack of perspective by making such a statement. YLH is one of the most respected bloggers and scholars that Pakistan has known. I'd advise you to read up and visit that blog before shooting your mouth.

This is exactly what i wrote earlier that sikh army was made up of atleast 40-50% muslims and it is because of punjabi muslims sikh empire was able to to remain strong for years, he had many top official who were muslims like his foreign minister,

He was cruel to pushtuns and kashmiris and i can give you sources if you want

 

[rockstarIN]

The sikh terror rule will not be repeated because this time we dont have those defeatist muslims who made up 50% of sikh army and supoorted his terror rule,

Sikh empire will be created over khalistan, haryana, himachal pardesh and delhi

Still living in Empire era, like mougals, Cheras Cholas, Mauryas etc.?