Future of Syria

[lem34]

I thought it appropriate to show those that want intervention in Syria to look at the last time America GCC and Nato went to assist a country what happened:

Is this really what you want for Syrians?

Libya tribal hack and slash: Hundreds killed and wounded in *week
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Published: 21 June, 2012, 14:43

Clashes between warring factions are heating up in western Libya. Tribes that once supported the country’s uprising are battling each other and pro-Gaddafi rival tribes - all against the background of freebee arms.

Press secretary of the Libyan government Nasser al-Manaa reported that clashes between three tribes from Az Zintan, Mizda and Al-Shegaiga village resulted in at least 105 deaths and more than 500 wounded just last week. The conflict reportedly flared over a strip of land repossessed by one of the tribes.

Al-Manaa revealed that the violence was stopped only after a government military presence was established in the region.

The number of dead and injured in Libya is comparable to the body count in Syria and following UN rhetoric, the ongoing violence in Libya strikingly resembles a civil (tribal) war.

Tribalism is an age-old challenge for Libya, always threatening stability and security. Former leader Colonel Muammar Gaddafi had managed to curb many tribal conflicts throughout the 42 years of his rule, often by using force. When an armed tribal rebellion broke out in 2009, Gaddafi had to use Air Force to bring the rebels under control.

Supported from abroad, an uprising against Muammar Gaddafi started in February 2011. Severe fighting between rebels and Gaddafi supporters lasted till October 20, when Colonel Gaddafi was killed by a raging mob near the city of Sirte after rebels took control of the capital Tripoli.

With Gaddafi gone, the National Transitional Council that came to power is facing the same dangers as the previous regime. The NTC has to deal with restless tribes that use the unstable position of central government to seize the territories of weaker neighboring groups.

When the situation got tough, the Colonel distributed as many as one million Kalashnikov assault rifles among those who expressed at least minimum allegiance towards the regime. And that number is just a fraction of that stolen from devastated military arsenals later on.

Libya appears to be so flooded with arms right now that even the grandchildren of today’s fighters will have enough thirty-round banana clips to sort things out for years to come.


Who thinks this is what Syria needs or wants??? Why those that want action in Syria do not care about Libyans any more??

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

This is what Syrian illigal regime is trying to intimidate you with. And you as a pro Iran, is relentlessly trying to do the same to people here. NATO intervention in Lybia helped fasten the process of Qaddafi fall. He would have fallen anyway, but NATO intervention made it quick, and saved tens of thousand of lives. Qaddafi and His son, Saif Al-Islam threatened publicly (Youtube video still there), of obliterating Bin Qazi, the second most populated Lybian city. This convinced the whole world of the inevitable and crucial immediate military action to save people from being wipped off. Qaddafi hired thousands of African mercenaries and set their hands free to rape, kill and rob any town they take over. Sabotage operations were done by Saif Al-Islam gangs targeting oil infrastructure. And he openly promised of destroying all oil infrastructures in Lybia. Arab regimes (including Syria) and people represented by Arab league requested a military intervention, Jordan, UAE, Qattar and Sudan were parts of it.

Lybian and Arab people demanded NATO air strike intervention and demanding it in Syria. You back off, and mind your own bussiness.

 

[lem34]

This is what Syrian illigal regime is trying to intimidate you with. And you as a pro Iran, is relentlessly trying to do the same to people here. NATO intervention in Lybia helped fasten the process of Qaddafi fall. He would have fallen anyway, but NATO intervention made it quick, and saved tens of thousand of lives. Qaddafi and His son, Saif Al-Islam threatened publicly (Youtube video still there), of obliterating Bin Qazi, the second most populated Lybian city. This convinced the whole world of the inevitable and crucial immediate military action to save people from being wipped off. Qaddafi hired thousands of African mercenaries and set their hands free to rape, kill and rob any town they take over. Sabotage operations were done by Saif Al-Islam gangs targeting oil infrastructure. And he openly promised of destroying all oil infrastructures in Lybia. Arab regimes (including Syria) and people represented by Arab league requested a military intervention, Jordan, UAE, Qattar and Sudan were parts of it.

Lybian and Arab people demanded NATO air strike intervention and demanding it in Syria. You back off, and mind your own bussiness.

You mate are talking horse manure. The facts are there for you. It is not for you to invite death and destruction to a people. Last time I looked the govt that represents Syria at the UN has not asked to be made a Libya to save some Saudi kings ar$e and assist in a vendetta against Iran

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

You mate are talking horse manure. The facts are there for you. It is not for you to invite death and destruction to a people. Last time I looked the govt that represents Syria at the UN has not asked to be made a Libya to save some Saudi kings ar$e and assist in a vendetta against Iran

And I am the one who is talking horse manure here!
The answers to your question is in my post, reread it. I will not get indulged with time waste debates. However, the only thing I can help you with is either you have sth new or worthy. You are welcome to ask for sources that support my claims in the post above as well.

 

[VCheng]

from: Syria

Syria’s conflict
With both barrels
Opposition forces are doing better than expected, but the regime is responding with ever nastier tactics
Jun 16th 2012 | BEIRUT | from the print edition


The ceasefire in Syria brokered by Kofi Annan, an envoy and former secretary-general of the UN, is unravelling. After several weeks of holding back somewhat while being pummelled by government forces, bands of armed rebels gathered under the umbrella of the Free Syrian Army are now on the attack and gaining ground. A number of towns have come under their control, admittedly in some cases after covert negotiations with tired units of the government. “We have no need for the regime because we run ourselves,” says a man from Wadi Barada, a string of villages in a valley close to Damascus, reeling off an impressive list of social services, including imprisoning criminals, that are provided by the armed resistance.

Rebel morale and organisation have improved thanks to a growing (if still modest) command structure. Military councils have in some areas replaced ad hoc committees. The rebels’ political and military wings may also end months of bickering. The Syrian National Council, which sees itself as a government in waiting, chose as its new leader Abdelbaset Sieda, a moderate Kurd who has voiced sympathy for the Free Syrian Army.

Light arms, money and satellite phones—long promised by supporters—are starting to flow into rebel hands. Most come from wealthy Gulf Arabs who see no other way of influencing a conflict that has already claimed more than 12,000 lives. Even Syrian businessmen overseas who used to give money only for field clinics have become more willing to pay for arms.

Still heavily outgunned, the rebels are using guerrilla tactics. Analysts monitoring video footage from citizen journalists inside Syria say at least 25 tanks have been destroyed since May 29th. Bombs and roadside ambushes have some government forces pinned down. In the country’s north-west they mostly move around in armoured cars, and in the south other units have had to reinforce their security bases. One thousand soldiers have been killed since April 12th, reckons Rami Abdul Rahman, the head of the UK-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights. This has increased the pace of defections from what has hitherto been a largely cohesive army. On June 10th an air-defence battalion of 100 men close to the western town of Talbiseh defected en masse, making off with guns and grenades before the regime sent helicopters to destroy their base.

In Damascus, the capital, clashes between regime and opposition forces are frequent, often close to government offices. On June 8th a few hundred rebels carried out co-ordinated attacks, including the attempted bombing of a ministerial building. “We really feel the Free Syrian Army’s presence for the first time since the start of the revolution,” says Razan Zaitouneh, a lawyer in the capital who documents civilian deaths. Violence elsewhere in the country has sent many Syrians fleeing to the capital, bringing the fight with them.

Yet the opposition is still no match for the military might of the regime, which is resorting to ever greater brutality. Helicopters have been used to attack Haffeh, a town in the west besieged by government forces for more than a week. Reports of rebel sympathisers burnt alive have become common. The UN says a growing number of children are tortured and killed, often by pro-government militiamen known as the shabiha. The term originally referred to bulky men from the ruling Assad family and related clans who operated with impunity as smugglers and extortionists in the coastal town of Latakia during the 1970s. Since then it has come to mean radicalised thugs in the pay of loyalists. They receive up to $130 a day from businessmen who grew rich under the Assads. “There is no chance of the regime getting back authority, so the only option in certain areas is to send in men to slaughter locals,” says an influential analyst.

Many of the shabiha have shaved heads, thin beards and white trainers. Most but not all are from the Assads’ minority Shia sect, the Alawites. Recruiting them appears to be relatively easy. Alawite communities increasingly fear for their safety and encourage their young men to join the militia. At one recent funeral, Alawites criticised the regime for not doing more to protect them.

Radical elements among the Alawites in the north-west are said to be contemplating a plan to clear nearby Sunni villages and create a rump state that is easy to defend. This might explain recent massacres in Houla and Qubeir, both Sunni farming settlements on the fault line between Sunni majority areas and the Alawite heartland. The men who slaughtered 108 people in Houla on May 25th came from the neighbouring Alawite town of Kabu. “We know the people who massacred our families,” says a local man who goes by the name Abu Yazen. “There wasn’t a problem before, but in some areas the regime is succeeding in creating a sectarian war.”

 

[longbrained]

Well they have made an Afghanistan out of Libya and now they are working on Syria. The difference is that Syria has some solid friends who are helping Syria to stand up and hopefully battle out these al-CIA-da thugs.

 

[fd24]

Well they have made an Afghanistan out of Libya and now they are working on Syria. The difference is that Syria has some solid friends who are helping Syria to stand up and hopefully battle out these al-CIA-da thugs.

Bro - you forgot the superb work they did in Iraq..... They were incredible their

 

[VCheng]

Bro - you forgot the superb work they did in Iraq..... They were incredible their

Well, sometimes it is all locally produced - let's see what is about to happen in Egypt.

 

[fd24]

Well, sometimes it is all locally produced - let's see what is about to happen in Egypt.

As long as the pyramids are not damaged im happy. When i go i really want to see them in a couple of months!

 

[VCheng]

As long as the pyramids are not damaged im happy. When i go i really want to see them in a couple of months!

Nah, don't worry. The pyramids will be around for a long long long time yet.

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Well they have made an Afghanistan out of Libya and now they are working on Syria. The difference is that Syria has some solid friends who are helping Syria to stand up and hopefully battle out these al-CIA-da thugs.

The game is over in Syria, some whine here or there but it stills over. The situation in Lybia is not perfect, but this was expected in the first place. Things are getting better, Libyan securiy forces and military are being trained in Jordan and western countries, oil infrastructure have been rebuild/repaired. Top notch hospitals, schools, universities, streets and infrastcture are being build at fast paces. The situation is not perfect but it's better than countries like Pakistan and Yemen for instance. Only a lunatic would have thought of Lybia turning into a heaven the very next day Qaddafi get down.

 

[longbrained]

Bro - you forgot the superb work they did in Iraq..... They were incredible their

Yeah, they killed a million Iraqis. But to their disappointment, Iraqis at last succeeded at getting their country back. Now they are much more closer to Iran than to US. As they say, God works in mysterious ways.

 

[lem34]

It would appear that some Arab nations like the type of democracy that is a specialty of America. Look at Iraq and Libya? Wouldn't you just love to live there. You may get blown up but you get a vote

 

[BLACKEAGLE]

Yeah, they killed a million Iraqis. But to their disappointment, Iraqis at last succeeded at getting their country back. Now they are much more closer to Iran than to US. As they say, God works in mysterious ways.

Let me get it right for you, Lybia didn't succeeded because it's not close to Iran, and Syria will never succeeded because it will never be close to Iran?!

 

[lem34]

Let me get it right for you, Lybia didn't succeeded because it's not close to Iran, and Syria will never succeeded because it will never be close to Iran?!

BE man you guys are gluttons for punishment. I wish you could tell the differences between friends of Arabs and enemies