Future of Pakistans water once India blocks all routes?

[ajtr]

Seems like pakistan is getting 32000 Cusec of indian share of water down the ravi daily and even then pakistan is unhappy...


Swelling Ravi breaks gate at Madhopur headworks

The persistent downpour and the rising water level in Ravi river broke the sluice gate number 4 of Madhopur headworks, which might cause loss of about 32,000 cusec water going toward Pakistan. The gate was damaged in February this year too and after a temporary repair the work was abandoned due to the lack of funds.
The gate gave in once again following heavy pressure of water on Monday. Senior officials of the department rushed to the spot to assess the damage.

The sub-divisional officer at Madhopur, VR Sharma, said the department was in the process of installing a new gate. "We are still waiting for the funds. The recent heavy rains increased the water flow in Ravi, which has damaged the gate again," he said.

Local Congress leader Randhir Singh Bitta said the gate should have been repaired before the monsoon. He said the department's inaction had led to the wastage of precious water meant for farmers in Punjab.

Meanwhile, a car was swept away in the flash flood in Khaddi rivulet when its driver tried to cross through the fast current of water flowing over the causeway.

The car was dragged half-a-kilometer by the strong water current even while the driver managed to get out of it. The car eventually got stuck near the civil hospital bridge, and was brought out with the help of cranes.

The heavy rain inundated the lower parts of the town causing trouble to the commuters. The Chakki river was also raging causing floods in the slum areas. No loss of life was reported from the area.

The rain has so far damaged several acres of land in several villages including Bamial, Shingarwan and Farwal with standing paddy crops. The Gujjar community, which mostly resides near rivers, has been the worst hit.

 

[Ticker]

Seems like pakistan is getting 32000 Cusec of indian share of water down the ravi daily and even then pakistan is unhappy...


Swelling Ravi breaks gate at Madhopur headworks

Yup ..... because we like Hunza Water more than India's share of water.

 

[ajtr]

Water woes: Little to drink, but lots to waste

Karachi loses 35% of its water in leaky pipes; Singapore loses less than 5%; what can we learn from the smart city state that used to import all its water
BELLAGIO / KARACHI:
So much water is lost around the world in leaky pipes that it would be cheaper to just give people five litres of drinking water in cans each day. The Italians would need seven litres, though, because they need to boil pasta.
The wry humour of urban development advisor, Nicholas You, barely masks subterranean frustration. He wants us to stop and think about something as dry as water and sewage.
To put this loss in perspective, Karachi loses more than one-third, or 35%, of its water to leaks, estimates the water board. Singapore, at the other end of the spectrum, loses less than 5% of its water. How did the island city state, which at one point imported all its water from neighbouring Malaysia, manage this feat? Can Karachi take a few lessons from the smart city state?
Singapore’s water (re)cycle
For starters, Singapore rigorously replaced its pipes, bringing down the number of leaks from over 18,000 to 4,500 in ten years. Now, the pipes are fitted with technology that detects leaks by noise.
Singapore, however, has good reason to be smart. The island’s 99-year agreement with Malaysia on water expires in 2061, and it is racing ahead to become self-sufficient. At present, nearly 40% of its total supply comes from rainwater. Every drop is collected in a 7,000-km network of drains, canals, rivers, storm-water collection ponds and reservoirs.
The island’s responsibility does not stop there though. It may make you squirm, but one-third of the Singapore’s water demand is met by the cleverly named NEWater: recycled sewage that is used by factories, and is so clean, after ultraviolet and advanced membrane treatment, that you can drink it.
The philosophy of recycling is so strong that it is almost as if Singapore ‘rents’ water out to its residents, who use it and return it.
“What is truly amazing is that [a water-stressed state like] Singapore will have an excess of [93m“ per capita per year] of water,” says You.
Dumping sewage into the sea
Karachi generates 472 mgd of sewage but just treats 55 mgd, or 11%, of it. The bulk of the sewage is dumped raw into the sea after travelling through a complicated pipe network that is 5,670km long.
“The three sewage treatment plants are outdated. We have to replace them now,” says Zaheer Abbas, chief engineer for the sewage treatment and water filtration plants.
“The treatment plants were built in the 1960s and these facilities normally don’t have a life of more than 15 to 20 years,” he adds.
An ambitious plan, however, hopes to recycle wastewater for factories. The project was conceived a few years ago, but its cost has since doubled to Rs13 billion.
It also doesn’t help for Karachi to be situated right at the end of the River Indus, which means that a large part of used water from other cities is reaching Karachi’s taps.
The contamination is so bad that the water board admits it needs to over-chlorinate because the source, Keenjhar Lake, is heavily contaminated.
Desperate for drops
Nicholas You says that food and energy supplies aren’t finite, but fresh water supplies are.
No where is that more evident than in Karachi, which is piping in water from sources farther away than ever.
“Almost all major cities in the world in the 1950s got their water locally,” You said, citing the example of Barcelona that used groundwater six decades ago; the water travelled zero kilometres to reach taps at home. In the year 2000, the Spanish city transports water from over 100 km away.
Karachi currently gets its water from 150 km away and is largely dependent on external sources: Indus River, Haleji lake and Hub dam among others. The desperate water board just announced it was going to drill 500 feet down at the century old Dumlottee wells to try and get a fresh supply.
Even Karachi’s newly sanctioned K-IV project is going to bring water from hundreds of kilometers away. That is a problem because migrating water from so far away costs money, and consumes energy – resources that the water board has little of. The entity is unable to pay its bills and Karachi’s electricity supplier frequently cuts off power at pumping stations. It is only when the governor, or other high authorities intervene that KESC switches the power back on.
Nicholas You was presenting the information to 31 urbanists who had gathered in Bellagio over July 30 to August 4 for a summit organised by the Urban Land Institute and Citistates Group.
Pay-per-sip
Charging for water to control demand
Water is treated like any other utility in Singapore: there are water meters checking consumption, and the more you use, the more you pay. So, for example, if you use under 40m“, you pay S$1.17 per m“. If you use more than 40m“, the price goes up to S$1.4. Still, the average bill for a small household is fairly affordable, at about S$30 a month. If you steal water you can face up to S$50,000 in fines and three years in jail.
The population, therefore, has become water-conscious and the government has won the battle that is being lost in so many other countries. Household water consumption has gone down from 165 litres per person per day in 2003 to 154 litres a day last year.
Karachi Water and Sewerage Board’s problem is that it charges too little for water and sewage and only 1.4 million customers are on its list in a city of 18 million. Consumers are also not charged for how much they use, since there are no water meters attached to their homes, leading to waste. The billing, instead, is pegged to plot size. A 500-square-yard single storey house, for example, pays Rs6,200 a year for its water supply, no matter how much it uses, and Rs768 for sewage services.
Competing jurisdictions
To Many Cooks Spoil The Water
Urban development advisor Nicholas You explains the plague of competing jurisdictions: In an ordinary city, one authority exploits the water, one transports it to a reservoir, one sends it to a bulk supplier, who will purify it and send it to a municipal authority. Add to that three entities dealing with wastewater and you have up to seven separate agencies dealing with water. In Singapore, however, supply, demand and treatment are all managed by one agency – the Public Utilities Board (PUB).
“I’m not saying it’s a model you can repeat all over the world but we have to start thinking about it,” urges You.
In Karachi, the water board handles the supply and sewage, but it has to contend with the Indus River System Authority and unofficial agents that interfere with the supply: they range from the army-run housing authority with its failed desalination plant to the water tanker mafia that steals from hydrants, to households that use supplies brought on donkey carts and boreholes.

Yup ..... because we like Hunza Water more than India's share of water.

Paani do to problem aur na do to problem

 

[HellzHere]

Not at all. When the difference between nuclear power is 240 megatons vs. 1 megaton (as is the case with China and India), then if a leader really wanted war, they could just decide to accept the collateral damage and go forward anyway.



Because SinoChallenger loves nukes, and probably keeps a toy ballistic missile under his bed? How should I know?

240 MT vs 1 MT? Do you have any proof of the nuclear yield ? I m unaware as far as I know,china has 240 war heads India has around 100,but yield?

 

[Ticker]

Water woes: Little to drink, but lots to waste

Paani do to problem aur na do to problem

Oho, ek to tum logon ko samjhana bhi azab hai.

I was talking about Hunza Water and not your river water.

Pata nahin kahan kahan se aa jatay hein.

 

[ajtr]

Oho, ek to tum logon ko samjhana bhi azab hai.

I was talking about Hunza Water and not your river water.

Pata nahin kahan kahan se aa jatay hein.

Hunza river ka paani hi kaafi hai to itna shor kyon kyon machana paani ke liye.

 

[Ticker]

Hunza river ka paani hi kaafi hai to itna shor kyon kyon machana paani ke liye.

Oho women! ...... tum logon ko samjhana azab se bhi bara problem hai.

I was talking about Hunza Water.

And not your river water.

Damagh mein hawa bhari hai kya.

 

[ajtr]

Oho women! ...... tum logon ko samjhana azab se bhi bara problem hai.

I was talking about Hunza Water.

And not your river water.

Damagh mein hawa bhari hai kya.

Arey !! thats what im saying.If hunza water is enough then what the fuss is all about.

 

[Ticker]

Arey !! thats what im saying.If hunza water is enough then what the fuss is all about.

The fuss is about river water.

Hunza Water is not river water ....... magar tum nahin samjho ge. ha ha ha

 

[khail007]

Not before she brought Pakistan and its armed forces down on their knees with hands on their heads.

But even then her own countrymen and guards put her on her knees ... at last she met her befitting end...!

 

[ajtr]

The fuss is about river water.

Hunza Water is not river water ....... magar tum nahin samjho ge. ha ha ha

Arey...hunza lake itself is fed by hunza river.

 

[mughaljee]

The future is bright for war mongers- the west-
surely the next Pak Indo war will be on water-
Brace your self for another western wet dream coming true--

Because out nation is not building Dams,
Look Facts, India building Dams and our nation is divided (Sindh, Balochistan, Pakhtoonkhaw) over many dams.

 

[arp2041]

Water is the most valuable resource for mankind & India can never stop it completely for Pakistan, this will be a real embarrassment for India in the world & most staunch allies & supporters of India will find it hard to support the Indian move, Pakistan can easily go for International support in platforms like WB, UN, SAARC, etc. India will be in no position to defend Itself + various treaties is in place & they will defend Pakistan's right of rivers + some even argue that Indus Water Treaty gives more share of water to Pakistan from India than any other upstream country has ever done (http://newageislam.com/current-affairs/misplaced-water-diplomacy/d/7811) + if 2 countries are enemies that doesn't mean that one can stop the water of another & Israel is the most perfect example whose water sources are dependent on it's neighbors (which has not stopped even after so much war & animosity of neighbors towards Israel), so Pakistan should relax & there is no need to panic. The only things that India can do as far as river flow towards Pakistan is concerned are:

1. Decrease the amount of water share by dams as a diplomatic tool to garner favor in issues such as Kashmir, Sir Creek etc.

2. If Pakistan imposes an unjust war on India than India can use it's leverage of upper stream country to benefit in war effort.

So if we have peace between the two countries than there is no reason for Pakistan to be skeptic of the Indian designs.

 

[INDIC]

The future is bright for war mongers- the west-
surely the next Pak Indo war will be on water-
Brace your self for another western wet dream coming true--

How will Pakistan achieve the goal by the water-war.

 

[Markus]

I think we are using our brains too much.

Pakistan will think a 1000 times before attempting to launch a military strike on Indian dams.