Future Indian Rifle

[Dr. Sen]

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The latest G3 version now in use of Pakistan Army

The LG comment was a joke. Guns nice. As usual German manufacturing!

 

[The_Sidewinder]

A 5.56 rifle that weighs 4.5 kg empty, can carry only 20 rounds in its mag and has no auto-option is a BAD rifle.

Not according to friends of mine serving in paramilitary & armed forces. According to them, as long as you clean up the rifle regularly works well. About auto & burst mode, they use it on single shot mode often to save bullets & fire accurately. Only in movies you see soldiers going gang ho with full auto mode .Auto works well in closer ranges though.

For me, a weapon serving a million strong army for two dacades in heights & cold of Siachen to warmth of Thar aint a bad weapon.

 

[Max Pain]

Successors are meant to be improvements over their predecessors are they not?

indeed

 

[Kinetic]

MCIWS -

MCIWS should be our future rifle rather than any foreign rifle. DRDO should develop a cutting edge one for special forces.

 

[Koovie]

MCIWS should be our future rifle rather than any foreign rifle. DRDO should develop a cutting edge one for special forces.

There is a separate tender running as of now for rifles which will be issued to special units

 

[Kinetic]

There is a separate tender running as of now for rifles which will be issued to special units

DRDO should develop a high end one for special forces as well.

 

[Koovie]

DRDO should develop a high end one for special forces as well.

And let them wait for how many years? Besides, the SF are very happy with their Tavors anyways.

 

[Kinetic]

And let them wait for how many years? Besides, the SF are very happy with their Tavors anyways.

Tavor is nothing special according to current standard forget future. I was talking about a future rifle, smart one.

 

[East or West India Best]

it seems like a really good gun
why not invest on it.

Cause South Asians think foreign is better than domestic.

 

[Indian Patriot]

It has served the Indian military for almost two decades now, millions have been produced and it has done its job of course it deserves praise. No battle rifle is without fault (look at the M16/M4, G-36, FAMAS, S-80 etc) but that should not overshadow this weapon's impressive record not just in the military but with police forces and even abroad.

Many people are still bashing the INSAS for issues that existed more than 16 years ago and were rectified long ago!

I am not aware where you are from. But in reality the INSAS failed miserably in Kargil war. It is hopeless in COIN operations and hence ordinary jawans preferred to use the AK-47. INSAS has served for two decades and will continue to serve for another one (possibly two) decade because of India's lightning fast acquisition process.

After 1999 the army think tanks finally realised the pressing need for artillery guns. A tender was floated in 2000 and in 2015 the trials are still going on. This will give you a hint why INSAS survived so long in the army. Army has issued RFP for new rifles, by the time the process will be over and the new rifles inducted it will be 20 more years.

Please don't compare the M4A1, G-36, FAMAS, Sa-80 rifles with the junk called INSAS. I respect your patriotism but there are limits to jingoism. Can you please elaborate on the "impressive record" of INSAS and which other country besides India uses INSAS? As far as it has been seen no counter-insurgency force uses INSAS. They use Tavor, AK-47 and even the Italian Cx4 Storm.

And with all due respect, painting the furniture black does not equate to rectifying issues.

Not according to friends of mine serving in paramilitary & armed forces. According to them, as long as you clean up the rifle regularly works well. About auto & burst mode, they use it on single shot mode often to save bullets & fire accurately. Only in movies you see soldiers going gang ho with full auto mode .Auto works well in closer ranges though.

For me, a weapon serving a million strong army for two dacades in heights & cold of Siachen to warmth of Thar aint a bad weapon.

According to friends, relatives of mine serving in paramilitary and armed forces the weapon is sh1t. It jams, breaks down frequently, has problems with ejection of spent cartridge, loss of zero after cleaning, too heavy, too few rounds and a lack of stopping power.

COIN is not sniper range but close range. And if automatic fire is so obsolete then all leading rifle manufacturers in the world would not provide that option in their rifles, nor would all leading militaries like US and NATO would buy rifles with auto option. But "only in movies" makes for a solid excuse though.

There is a separate tender running as of now for rifles which will be issued to special units

Expect the tender to run for ten years at least.

 

[fallstuff]

MCIWS -

This gun looks complicated, it should be very simple to use, to take down.

 

[Bossman]

INSAS has had the shortest life of any rifle. Indian Army hurry to replace it indicates that it has been major failure. 5.56 mm is a wrong idea in the sub continent. MICWS looks like a modernised AK 47.

 

[fallstuff]

I want a gun for ladies with this pattern.

This is real,

 

[The_Sidewinder]

@Indian Patriot

INSAS is also used by Royal Omaneese army, Royal Nepaleese army & also in smallers number by Bhutan.

Yeah rifle has issues so those other rifles as well. About counter insurgancy scenario, it was never designed for it. Higher stopping power of Ak.series why makes it better weapon. INSAS was not designed to kill rather than injure opponents so that other soldiers has to get occupied in rescuing their comorade rather than engaging the enemy. (What a logic? )

At close quater combat full auto is useful. But in a real war scenario, most of the time you engage enemies at moderate to long ranges where single shot mode works perfactly. Auto mode at ranges only decreases accuracy.

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This is real,

Really! Women

 

[Indian Patriot]

@Indian Patriot

INSAS is also used by Royal Omaneese army, Royal Nepaleese army & also in smallers number by Bhutan.

Yeah rifle has issues so those other rifles as well. About counter insurgancy scenario, it was never designed for it. Higher stopping power of Ak.series why makes it better weapon. INSAS was not designed to kill rather than injure opponents so that other soldiers has to get occupied in rescuing their comorade rather than engaging the enemy. (What a logic? )

At close quater combat full auto is useful. But in a real war scenario, most of the time you engage enemies at moderate to long ranges where single shot mode works perfactly. Auto mode at ranges only decreases accuracy.

I would like to see pics of Oman army using INSAS. Nepal used INSAS and they lost the civil war to maoists. Nepal was very vocal in their criticism of the INSAS rifle and called it junk. Bhutan is less of a country and more of a informal Indian state. They don't have the finance or the option of buying Tavors.

INSAS Rifles does not have issues, it has major issues. I don't know what your "friends in the army" told you but the scariest sound a soldier can hear in the battlefield is an empty click after pressing the trigger. It becomes even more scarier when the soldier realises his magazine is full but his gun won't fire. Unless you are a soldier in a battlefield whose gun got broken while the enemy keeps pumping bullets in your direction you will not understand why the INSAS is a piece of sh1t.

What exactly was the INSAS designed for, march-past parades?

Every crack unit in the army refuses the INSAS. From the special forces to the ghatak units to counter insurgency jawans. And yes, ghataks and special forces use 5.56 mm rounds as well. So why is INSAS being a 5.56 mm caliber rifle unsuitable for special ops? Because "it was never designed for it".

Whoever gave that retarded logic for the 5.56 mm round was joking and the other person took it seriously.

Armies opted for the 5.56 rounds because of simple reasons.

1. Combat occurred at ranges of 500 meters and less in modern warfare. A heavy caliber long-range bullet was unnecessary.

2. Rifles firing the 7.62x51 mm are too heavy, long and are an inconvenience for the infantry grunt.

3. It is difficult to control 7.62x51mm at full auto, the recoil is too heavy. A soldier can constantly keep shooting 5.56 mm rounds all day, but it is impossible to do so for a 7.62 round even in semi-auto.

4. Bullets are heavy, in fact very heavy. 10 kg of 7.62x51mm rounds may contain 90 bullets. 10 kg of 5.56x45 mm rounds will likely contain 200 bullets. 5.56mm caliber allows the infantry soldier to carry more rounds to the battlefield.

When you fire at the enemy you don't aim for his hand, leg or to injure him. Nobody does that. Every soldier will aim to kill the enemy else the enemy will kill you. And if injuring the enemy is the only goal then the same can be achieved with 7.62 mm rounds.

Whoever gave you the logic that 5.56 mm round is good because it injures the enemy rather than kill them never served in any armed force and is a troll.