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what do you expect in the upcoming future about BD-IND relations now that a pro-secular party with good connections to India have come to power?

our Main issues with India:

1)The waterflow of the rivers
2)Bay of Bengal demarcation
3)cross border trade
4)border security and terrorism

feel free to add more.

if the AL gets these things fixed I promise I won't complain about them being too weak to foreigners.

requests:no flaming please or conspiracy theories.I am looking forward to some real good discussion.
 
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Bangladesh and India have no differences at all to begin with. All we need is a water sharing agreement, and sea border demarcations. Now, with a democratically elected Shiek Hasina govt. in power, we will leave all our differences behind.
 
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Hasina signed one water sharing treaty years ago and it wasn't upheld properly by the Indians.That's what worries me.
 
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To be honest I am skeptic about Bangladesh being the gainer when it comes to Bay of Bengal demarcation and waterflow.Let's hope for the best.
BSF will continue killing BD civilians,so "border terrorism" will continue.
The trade deficit might reduce.
 
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To be honest I am skeptic about Bangladesh being the gainer when it comes to Bay of Bengal demarcation and waterflow.Let's hope for the best.
BSF will continue killing BD civilians,so "border terrorism" will continue.
The trade deficit might reduce.

Its been ages, India is fencing their border!!!! yet it is only 5% complete??? What a joke!!!
Bangladeshi nationals on the border would find a relief once it could be done... Its more important to keep BSF out of inside BD territory than smuggler..
 
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Illegal imigration of bangladesh ppl were biggest news in India. I dont know about Indian illegal activities near the border. Also the relations with pakistan going so bad would really make the govt to think about bangladesh seriously.

On the industry level i know Indian(MNC ...lol) companies are trying hard to get the textile industry from pakistan to bangla. Not sure how much it would work out. but the idea is to get the business involved between the countries
 
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what do you expect in the upcoming future about BD-IND relations now that a pro-secular party with good connections to India have come to power?

our Main issues with India:

1)The waterflow of the rivers
2)Bay of Bengal demarcation
3)cross border trade
4)border security and terrorism

feel free to add more.

if the AL gets these things fixed I promise I won't complain about them being too weak to foreigners.

requests:no flaming please or conspiracy theories.I am looking forward to some real good discussion.


1) I have not heard any more Indian planning on diverting water... Major issue was Ganges.. which is somewhat sorted out. Tista discussion is going on. Tista is a not a major threat though. For most other rivers, India cant really withdraw significant amount of water as are were mostly inside Himalayas and not flowing through vastly plain land like Ganges. Enlighten me if there were any exception.
2) India already is in consent with BD on the overlapping territory. BD want equity share whereas India want equal distance. We basically could solve this either way, not much to loose though. But I am for equity bases.

3) Cross border trade is the main area BD should focus on. India export 3 Bln dollar worth of goods and they dont have much room to grow. BD on the other hand have huge potential to explore indian consumer market. BD should focus on textile, cosmetics, light engineering, cement etc... Sky is the limit here.

4) Let them fence the stupid border if they ever could... Its a joke anyways..
 
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Illegal imigration of bangladesh ppl were biggest news in India. I dont know about Indian illegal activities near the border. Also the relations with pakistan going so bad would really make the govt to think about bangladesh seriously.

On the industry level i know Indian(MNC ...lol) companies are trying hard to get the textile industry from pakistan to bangla. Not sure how much it would work out. but the idea is to get the business involved between the countries

Few days ago I saw your MP Momota Banarjee was shouting in your parliament, saying anybody speaks Bengali does not mean they were Bangladeshi. Why west Bengal was oppose to deporting any Bengali speaking people? If you keep promoting this kind of propaganda, you may someday loose the confidence of your own people in east.. I hope that will not happen...
 
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Illegal immigration from BD is a serious problem andit is not a propaganda. There were so many arrests made of Illegal immigrants and I can post innumerable news about it.
 
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Illegal immigration from BD is a serious problem andit is not a propaganda. There were so many arrests made of Illegal immigrants and I can post innumerable news about it.

Would you give me more details on it?
The character of illegal immigrants.
Who are they? what is their economic and social standing?
What religion they belong to?
Where do they live? Are they floating or they are settlers?
 
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Would you give me more details on it?
The character of illegal immigrants.
Who are they? what is their economic and social standing?
What religion they belong to?
Where do they live? Are they floating or they are settlers?

Here is a op-ed by a former Governor of West Bengal and Sikkim, an old one but it sums it up all about the problem

Problem of Bangladeshi migrants

Politico-economic study in historical context
T. V. Rajeswar

THE recent spat between India and Bangladesh over the stranded Bangladeshi migrants in Satgachia in Cooch Behar district was just a tip of the iceberg of the huge problem of migrants in this country. The problem is older than Partition and has an immense potential for the deterioration of the security situation in the East and Northeast of India.

Addressing the state Chief Secretaries and DGs of Police in Delhi in January, Deputy Prime Minister L.K. Advani stated that there were about 15 million Bangladeshis in India and it posed a serious threat to the country’s internal security. What are the dimensions of the problem? The migration problem is more than a century old and it began with large migrations from the predominantly Muslim districts of undivided Bengal into Assam for work opportunities in the rice fields and tea estates there. This continuing influx exploded in 1978 when the All-Assam Students’ Union began an agitation which was temporarily resolved by an agreement signed by Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi in 1985. This also led to the Asom Gana Parishad coming to power in Assam, but the huge migrant population which was already in the state could not be sent out due to judicial procedures and political contingencies.

The number of Bangladeshis estimated to be in India was put at 10 million about 10 years back. The Intelligence Bureau has reportedly estimated, after an extensive survey, that the present number is about 16 million. This figure may be correct since the migration has continued unabated all these years. Practically, every state in the country has Bangladeshi migrants, but the largest concentration is in Assam, West Bengal and Bihar. Some of the districts of W. Bengal bordering Bangladesh have an alarming proportion of migrants. Since the migrants in these districts have almost completely merged with the minority population there the problem can be seen only as part of the total minority population in these border districts. The districts of Murshidabad, South and North 24 Parganas, Nadia and West Dinajpur are particularly affected, and they are all adjoining Bangladesh. In Assam also, the districts of Dhubri, Barpeta, Goalpara, Hailakandi and Karimganj have a similar heavy concentration of minority population with large sections of Bangladeshi migrants.

This led to vote-bank politics both in Assam and West Bengal and judicial procedures only made it worse. In West Bengal, the CPM, in power since 1977, had turned a blind eye to this issue because of the support it was getting from the minority-migrant population.. Only recently Mr Buddhadev Bhattacharya has taken note of the seriousness of the problem. In Assam, the ministry’s survival, when the Congress was in power and also when the AGP replaced it, depended upon the support of a group of MLAs who were against any serious action against the migrants. The Illegal Migrants (Determination by Tribunals) Act effectively prevented even half-hearted attempts in this direction.

The relations with Bangladesh have deteriorated ever since Begum Khaleda Zia came to power last year. Her attitude towards India has not been too friendly, and Bangladesh and Pakistan have been getting too close for India’s discomfort. To quote Saleed Samad, a Bangladesh journalist, “the government holds power with the help of fundamentalist Islamic groups that are changing Bangladesh’s secular character.” Even during the regime of Seikh Hasina, the Bangladesh armed forces had elements who were suspected to be in close liaison with the ISI in the Pakistan High Commission there. The various insurgent groups in the North-East have had their training camps located in the border regions of Bangladesh and some of the prominent ULFA insurgents have been living in Dhaka for years. Sheikh Hasina failed to evict them or hand them over to the Government of India on one legal pretext or the other, and there is no change in the situation today.

The problem of East Pakistan/Bangladesh migrants was first dealt with, after Partition, by the Nehru-Liaquat Pact of 1950. Consequently, about six lakh illegal migrants were sent back to East Pakistan. However, the migration continued unabated. Mr. B.N. Mullik, the veteran Director of the Intelligence Bureau, had proposed a Prevention of Infiltration Programme which was implemented by the Government of India whereby about 1,50,000 illegal migrants were repatriated to East Pakistan during 1963-65. After the emergence of Bangladesh in 1971, the Indira Gandhi-Mujibur Rahman Pact of 1972 had provided that all those who entered India prior to March 25, 1971, would be allowed to remain in this country while the rest were to return to Bangladesh. Accordingly, as many as seven million refugees returned to Bangladesh. It would, therefore, be seen that in the past India and Pakistan and subsequently Bangladesh had amicably settled, through negotiated agreements, the return of East Pakistan/Bangladesh migrants from India.

When Begum Khaleda visited India as Prime Minister during her first term, she made an extraordinary statement that there were no Bangladeshis in India. No doubt, this remains her stand even today. Her Foreign Minister, Mr Morshed Khan, told a Press conference at Dhaka on February 6 that “there is not a single Bangladeshi migrant in India”. This stonewalling tactic on the part of the Bangladesh will not be helpful. But how does India make the Bangladesh Government accept the identification of Bangladeshi migrants spread all over India and how do you make Dhaka agree to take Dhaka back? If there is a genuine desire for cordial relations with India on the part of Bangladesh, this is possible. As already stated, in the subcontinent itself seven million Bangladeshi refugees returned to Bangladesh in 1972 as a result of the Indira-Mujib Pact and earlier in 1950 six lakh migrants were sent back to East Pakistan as per the Nehru-Liaquat Pact.

Is it possible to effectively stop this continuous migration from Bangladesh? The enormity of the problem can be realised when the actual border is visited. As Governor of West Bengal in 1989-90, I had visited the border areas in Cooch Behar, Jalpaiguri, Darjeeling, West Dinajpur and Malda. The border was indicated with bamboo poles with small red flags which were planted zigzag in the rice fields. Bangladesh labourers regularly crossed over to work in the fields in West Bengal. School children from border villages of Bangladesh came over to study in Indian schools and many of the rickshaw-pullers in the towns in the border districts of West Bengal came during the day from Bangladesh and returned in the evening. But if some of the farm labourers or rickshaw-pullers stayed behind there was no way of finding out. In the border areas of West Bengal people did not view this traffic as a problem, much less a serious threat. This is how the migrant population has grown over the years to the present level. It is left to the policy makers and administrators to worry about the long-term demographic and security overtones of this continued influx.

The continuous influx of Bangladeshi migrants, their spread throughout India and, more importantly, their concentration in the north-eastern states have drastically changed the demographic character of the region. While most of the migrants are “Malthusian” in character, in the sense that they have come to India for a better living condition, their presence in the border region poses a security problem. While European countries as well as Australia and the USA are straining to keep the migrants out for ensuring employment opportunities for their own nationals, India’s problem is different which explains Mr. Advani’s characterisation of this huge presence as a security threat to India.

The issue of Bangladeshi migrants has been one of the important policy planks of the BJP and the VHP. They make a distinction between Hindu and Muslim migrants. They call Hindu migrants as refugees while the Muslim ones as infiltrators, though in fact most of them are economic refugees. However, after the BJP came to power this issue was laid to rest except for occasional references at different levels. Why this issue has suddenly assumed so much importance is not clear. This, perhaps, explains why even knowledgeable observers should suspect that the BJP and the Sangh Parivar are apparently whipping up this issue along with that of the Ram Mandir in the run-up to the assembly elections this year and the parliamentary polls next year. Those at the helm of affairs should realise the sensitivity of the issue and the dimensions of the problem and deal with it with patience and understanding.

The writer is a former Governor of West Bengal and Sikkim.
 
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‘Indian agencies offer money to write against Bangladesh’


Indian intelligence agencies offer ‘handsome money’ to journalists to write articles against Bangladesh, and two other neighbouring countries, claimed an Indian journalist.
Arun Rajnath, New Delhi correspondent of the Washington-based online newspaper South Asian Tribune, said he was offered Rs 10,000 per month to write a story against Bangladesh, Pakistan or Nepal. Rajnath’s revelation was published in a special report of the newspaper headlined ‘Indian Officials Harassing South Asia Tribune New Delhi Correspondent’ on July 27.


The report, which had detailed description of the Indian intelligence agencies’ clout on Indian journalists, captures glimpses of the harassment towards journalists who refuse to comply with official directives.
After refusing to be on the payroll of an intelligence agency, Rajnath, who writes on the Indian army and Kashmir, was refused accreditation by the external affairs ministry, and he became the target of frequent intimidating phone calls from the intelligence men.
The correspondent claimed that many top Indian journalists covering news relating external affairs, home, and defence were on the payroll of the security agencies or the ministries concerned, and regularly receive ‘handsome compensation packages’.
Commenting on the report, a Bangladeshi intelligence expert said they have reports that not only Indian journalists, but also a number of Bangladeshi writers are on the payroll of Indian sources.
Mentioning a lack of resources and motivation on the part of Bangladesh’s intelligence agencies, he said, ‘Very little can be done in the existing situation.’

http://www.newagebd.com/2005/aug/08/front.html#e
 
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Indian Officials Harassing South Asia Tribune New Delhi Correspondent

Special SAT Report

WASHINGTON, July 27: Indian intelligence agencies are harassing Arun Rajnath (Left) , the Special Correspondent of South Asia Tribune in New Delhi after failing to persuade him to stop writing what these agencies describe as stories against the national security of India.


Rajnath, who has been reporting for the SAT for almost two years has also been refused accreditation by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs because MEA officials say he writes against their advice and against the national interest.

The harassment of Rajnath in New Delhi comes shortly after Pakistan Government had placed the South Asia Tribune Editor, Shaheen Sehbai, on the infamous Exit Control List which prohibits Pakistani citizens to leave the country. Sehbai is in Washington but if he enters Pakistan, he will not be allowed to leave the country.

Arun Rajnath reported the harassment he was facing to the Editor of his newspaper in Washington after intimidating telephone calls from intelligence operatives became so frequent they became a nuisance.

SAT Editor Shaheen Sehbai strongly condemned the harassment and in a statement said it was even more deplorable as India claimed to be a democratic country where the Press was supposed to be totally free.

Sehbai urged all the international media watchdog organizations to take immediate note of the harassment of Rajnath as well as denial of accreditation because it exposed the real situation in which no journalist could report objectively without facing the wrath of the Indian Establishment.

Arun Rajnath has been receiving crank calls and threatening E-mails by a person who calls himself Asif Nadeem. This person claims to be from a security agency. When Rajnath refused to concede his demands to propagate Government’s views in the South Asia Tribune, he was threatened to face the consequences.

On the other hand, the Publicity Division of the Ministry of External Affairs has directed the Press Information Bureau not to issue a Press-accreditation to Arun Rajnath, as it was not in the national interest of India.

According to Rajnath, the person who identifies himself as Asif Nadeem first called him up on his home telephone number on the morning of June 21, 2005, and claimed to be speaking from the Media Cell of the Home Ministry. Nadeem said that he wanted to see Rajnath.

Arun invited him to a crowded Coffee Shop in Cannaught Place, the heart of Delhi. Asif Nadeem came wearing the dark blue shirt and off-white pants which he had said he would be wearing for identification.

Nadeem first tried to bribe Rajnath and offered to pay Rs10,000 per month for writing one story per month against Pakistan or Bangladesh or Nepal or Hurriyat Conference or Naxalites or any one else suggested by the security agencies.

Nadeem claimed that many top journalists covering External, Home and Defense Ministries were on the payroll of security agencies or the concerned ministries and they received handsome compensation packages which Arun could also get after proving his worth.

He also promised that he would help Rajnath in getting clearances for his press accreditation card and would get his name included in the list of journalists who always accompany the Prime Minister and Foreign Minister on their international tours.

Nadeem asked Arun not to write ‘damaging stories’ on the Defense sector and Kashmir that ‘tarnish’ the image of India at international forums. He had a complete list with him on Arun’s defense stories that he claimed were ‘objectionable’ and ‘anti-national’ from the administration’s point of view.

Asif had grievous objections particularly to the following three stories:

1. “India Sending Thousands of Commandos to Kashmir in Changed Strategy” published on November 18, 2004,

2. “Indian Army Faces Embarrassment After Fake Militants Surrender Scam”, published on December 05, 2004, and

3. “The Blatant Kashmir Discrimination Against Militants’ Widows”, published on January 02, 2005.

He told Rajnath: “Though these stories may be true, when they are published in the international media, they cause ripples and tarnish the image of India. Such is the impact of the international media, particularly web newspapers. You should be cautious in your approach. We will pay you for your assistance. We can also pay you for not writing such stories if you do not agree to propagate our viewpoint. Why don’t you write only political stories?”

Arun Rajnath firmly but politely declined all the offers and urged Nadeem not to contact him again as he was not interested in his proposals. Nadeem was quiet for a time but the situation took an ugly turn when the following two stories were published in the SAT:

1. “Tamil Tigers Training Nepalese Rebels: An Interview Revealing All”, published on July 8, 2005, and

2. “Maoist Working Hard to Carve Out Their Own Country”, published on July 24, 2005.

Nadeem started calling Rajnath desperately and repeatedly asked him to disclose the source of his story about the Maoists. He also threatened him to either work for the security agencies, like other journalists and pass on the information to the agencies, or be ready to face the consequences.

These phone calls were made from the numbers 9868303885, 9891367900 and 26687984. In one such conversation Nadeem said: “Mr. Arun you would have been arrested by now had the POTA not been abolished. But it does not mean that you are free to write anti-national stories in a Pakistani newspaper.”

It is noteworthy that the Vajpayee government had imposed the infamous Prevention of Terrorism Act (POTA) in which there has been a provision that the journalists could be detained if they had any prior information of any act of terrorism or terrorist organizations. Journalists had to intimate the security agencies about their sources. But due to the pressure from the Left parties, the act has been abolished.

While the intelligence agencies are harassing Rajnath, his application for Press accreditation has been pending for months as the Foreign Ministry officials think Rajnath had exposed the Indian policy on Nepal for what it was worth.

The officials of the Foreign Ministry have declared him “dangerous for national security” and “he must not get the press accreditation as he would get access to all ministries including Defense, Foreign and Home, Prime Minister’s Office and other sensitive departments.”

The Police Verification conducted by the Press Information Bureau following Rajnath’s application for a Press card has been clean and the file of accreditation has been sent to the Press Relations, Publicity Division, Ministry of External Affairs for its comments and recommendations because Arun Rajnath works for a foreign newspaper.

Despite fulfilling all conditions and a positive report from the local police, Arun’s file was not put up before the Accreditation Committee in June, because the MEA had not returned the file by then. In February this year the Foreign Ministry had issued a special statement against Rajnath in a bid to discredit him and his reports. Click to View MEA Statement

After darting off many letters and reminders to the Principal Information Officer, Press Information Bureau (PIB), Arun received a letter from Anupma V. Chandra, Information Officer (Press Facility) dated July 18, 2005 (No. F. 1/7208-PRS) in which she admitted: “Your case is pending for want of comments/recommendations from Ministry of External Affairs on the status of South Asia Tribune, USA. Min. of External Affairs was requested for comments vide this Bureau’s letter dated 14.3.2005 and a reminder dated 11.5.2005. Another reminder is also being sent.”

The PIB sent the letter to Ishwar Prasad Teki, Publicity Officer, Press Relations, Ministry of External Affairs for comments. This department comes under direct control of the Joint Secretary, External Publicity Division, MEA. Navtej Sarna is the boss who happens to be the Joint Secretary and Official Spokesperson, as well.

As a matter of fact, the Publicity Division has directed Ishwar Prasad Teki not to clear the file. At present the MEA is not getting any concrete ground to reject the file, therefore the officials are holding it without taking any decision. They want to delay the process as the Accreditation Committee of the PIB meets only twice in the year to consider the cases of accreditation. It had already met in the month of June, and it would now meet in December.

According to the sources of the PIB and Foreign Ministry, the Publicity Division (MEA) and Home Ministry have already sounded the authorities of the PIB not to give accreditation to Arun Rajnath because “he works for a Pakistani newspaper, and his write-ups are irresponsible and not in the line of national interest.”

“He could be dangerous to the national security if he gets accreditation as then he would be entitled to visit all ministries, government offices, sensitive places, Prime Minister’s Office, President House, etc.”

Rajnath’s battle to receive fair treatment continues.

Indian Officials Harassing South Asia Tribune New Delhi Correspondent
 
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Indian agencies offer money to write against Bangladesh

I seriously doubt this...this is published in 2005 in BD site. No where else. Such incident could have catched indian media in no time. There would be bribe at local level for politics. But i really suspect at international level
 
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‘Indian agencies offer money to write against Bangladesh’

This story looks like a made up one. THe next post that you have posted clearly mentions that Rajnath was asked to not write against India but there was no mention of BD.
 
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