From disco maulvi to liberal fascist

[Zarvan]

90% of ppl here think "secular" : athiest ... So tell me about it.

A person can never be fully secular until he or she is athiest. Secularism is clear cut kufr.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

90% of ppl here think "secular" : athiest ... So tell me about it.

abey kyun ched raha hai use, peeche par jayega

on topic : good article , the author has nailed it with the fact that , we cant appreciate different point of views

 

[SQ8]

A person can never be fully secular until he or she is athiest. Secularism is clear cut kufr.

So said Prophet Zarvan.

 

[Zarvan]

So said Prophet Zarvan.

I am no PROPHET I am just stating those things which are crystal clear

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

A person can never be fully secular until he or she is athiest. Secularism is clear cut kufr.

what does secular mean Bhai jaan ?

Also you aren't really much informed about religion .. Not long ago you used to justify suicide bombings and killing innocents and our soldiers.

 

[Zarvan]

what does secular mean Bhai jaan ?

Also you aren't really much informed about religion .. Not long ago you used to justify suicide bombings and killing innocents and our soldiers.

O Mr you never got my points, and I never justified it. Mr let me remind you what I said, and that is before 2006 there was no TTP and so what happened, now what happened was that an idiot known as Musharraf at one call decided to betray Afghans and Muslims and became pet dog of USA, than to prove himself more loyal pet of USA he sends our own Army into tribal areas which never went in Tribal areas until 2003, so they go in and attack tribals in cover of getting few Al Qaeda leaders and for 3 years they use Air Force to Artillery to Tanks and kill there own people, which resulted in deaths of thousands of innocents Tribals, and also Musharraf allowed his daddy USA to attack to so after facing 3 years of operation in 2006 TTP was formed by mostly by local tribals to take revenge, from USA and its allies which included us. Many TTP members were those who have lost there family members in our operations which we were doing to please USA so they went on rampage and they killed every one in there way because they themselves have lost there loved ones so they were more interested in taking revenge than following orders of Islam on how to fight enemy. TTP was not strong for first year until idiot Musharraf did another disaster known as Lal Masjid which gave the TTP biggest boost and to this date we are not able to finish them. What I was saying is when you betray your own people kill them on orders from Kuffar than don't expect to get flowers in return, they went crazy and started taking revenge, ideally I would love them to follow Islamic orders but right now they are basically fighting for bloody revenge. So as long as we are seen as partners of USA and we also don't implement Islamic laws we might some how manage to defeat TTP but we would only defeat them to find out that we are about to face another major group who is more brutal than TTP. Therefore until you take the cause away from them you will never win this war brother now that is harsh reality want to avoid your choice but it would come to haunt you every day.

Now for secularism yes yes I know that false delusion that in secularism all faiths are equal and have equal rights and freedom to worship and bla bla bla. First Islam doesn't believe that secondly Islam is not just limited to 5 time prayer doing hajj paying zakat and fasting during Ramadan. Islam has whole economic social and legal system and if you want to put that aside and you are implementing your own laws than basically you think you know better than GOD not only that is kufr but clear cut shirk too. So these jokers known as seculars need to decide weather they are Muslims or secular because you can't be both, and if some think they can be than their knowledge of Islam is far worse than that of Abu Juhal and Abdullah Bin Ubbai.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

O Mr you never got my points, and I never justified it. Mr let me remind you what I said, and that is before 2006 there was no TTP and so what happened, now what happened was that an idiot known as Musharraf at one call decided to betray Afghans and Muslims and became pet dog of USA, than to prove himself more loyal pet of USA he sends our own Army into tribal areas which never went in Tribal areas until 2003, so they go in and attack tribals in cover of getting few Al Qaeda leaders and for 3 years they use Air Force to Artillery to Tanks and kill there own people, which resulted in deaths of thousands of innocents Tribals, and also Musharraf allowed his daddy USA to attack to so after facing 3 years of operation in 2006 TTP was formed by mostly by local tribals to take revenge, from USA and its allies which included us. Many TTP members were those who have lost there family members in our operations which we were doing to please USA so they went on rampage and they killed every one in there way because they themselves have lost there loved ones so they were more interested in taking revenge than following orders of Islam on how to fight enemy. TTP was not strong for first year until idiot Musharraf did another disaster known as Lal Masjid which gave the TTP biggest boost and to this date we are not able to finish them. What I was saying is when you betray your own people kill them on orders from Kuffar than don't expect to get flowers in return, they went crazy and started taking revenge, ideally I would love them to follow Islamic orders but right now they are basically fighting for bloody revenge. So as long as we are seen as partners of USA and we also don't implement Islamic laws we might some how manage to defeat TTP but we would only defeat them to find out that we are about to face another major group who is more brutal than TTP. Therefore until you take the cause away from them you will never win this war brother now that is harsh reality want to avoid your choice but it would come to haunt you every day.

Now for secularism yes yes I know that false delusion that in secularism all faiths are equal and have equal rights and freedom to worship and bla bla bla. First Islam doesn't believe that secondly Islam is not just limited to 5 time prayer doing hajj paying zakat and fasting during Ramadan. Islam has whole economic social and legal system and if you want to put away that and you are implementing your own laws than basically you think you know better than GOD not only that is kufr but clear cut shirk too. So these jokers known as seculars need to decide weather they are Muslims or secular because you can't be both and if something the can be than there knowledge of Islam is far worse than Abu Juhal and Abdullah Bin Ubbai.

No you said a lot of shitty things which a lot of ppl witnessed..

 

[Zarvan]

No you said a lot of shitty things which a lot of ppl witnessed..

I said the exactly same things Mr I never said anything different may by my style was rude before but my points were same are till now exactly the same brother.

 

[Zibago]

A person can never be fully secular until he or she is athiest. Secularism is clear cut kufr.

So secularism in the west is halal and in Pakistan haram?
Geo Pakistani

I said the exactly same things Mr I never said anything different may by my style was rude before but my points were same are till now exactly the same brother.

People like you still support cross dressing mullah burqa

 

[Zarvan]

So secularism in the west is halal and in Pakistan haram?
Geo Pakistani


People like you still support cross dressing mullah burqa

When I said its halal in west

So secularism in the west is halal and in Pakistan haram?
Geo Pakistani


People like you still support cross dressing mullah burqa

West is not a Muslim majority country so we hardly care you can talk thrash as much as you want

 

[Zibago]

When I said its halal in west


West is not a Muslim majority country so we hardly care you can talk thrash as much as you want

Well people like you keep yelling Islamaphobia in west but fail to even acknowledge blatant racism against Pakistani minorities

 

[syedali73]

A person can never be fully secular until he or she is athiest. Secularism is clear cut kufr.

Well, it depends on how you define secularism. Tolerance towards different faiths is perfectly acceptable, and this is what I think secularism is all about. Denouncing one's own faith in order to be called and considered a secular, well, not Kufr per se but a faasiq and faajir. I'll suggest you to refrain yourself from awarding 'kufr' fatwa for you don't have ilm-ul-ghaib.

 

[Musafir117]

A person can never be fully secular until he or she is athiest. Secularism is clear cut kufr.

So
BD/Indonesia/Malaysia/Turkey and lot others all are state of Kuffars? Allah hadaet ne de tou Banda keya kare

 

[Zarvan]

So
BD/Indonesia/Malaysia/Turkey and lot others all are state of Kuffars? Allah hadaet ne de tou Banda keya kare

The state if following Islam and going for secularism is doing kufr that doesn't make locals kafir but they will be sinful if they don't try to change the system

 

[debottam]

Zarvan is right.

Secularism IS anti-religious.

Think about it. The key of secularism is - "Separation of church (mosque, temple) and state (power). Why is that? Why would you want to keep religion out of power unless you feel there is something wrong with religion? We allow natural sciences to affect state policy and we never say out loud that natural science should be kept out of state power structure. We allow economics to affect state policy and so on. Why not religion? Secularism IS anti-religious. Of course we sugarcoat it by saying that they are "separate but equal".

Secularism, at its core, is a tool, a utility which helps the ruling elite in a society to keep its religious right under control. That's it. You don't need to be an atheist to be secular but you will need to be a moderate to take that approach.

Now naturally the religious right clearly see secularism for what it is which is why they oppose it. Their rhetoric may be over the top but certainly not misplaced.

There you go. Admission from a liberal fascist .