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Tuesday July 14, 2009

During the Cold War, Pakistan stood aside USA as its most allied ally while India stood in the opposite camp with Soviet Union and opposed American policies. When the time came to reward Pakistan for its consistent loyalty to the US, it was left in a lurch and India was befriended.

From the time USA embraced India in 1990; it has adopted a highly discriminatory and aggressive posture against Pakistan. The US has been threatening Pakistan since early 1990s on various accounts. The decade of 1990 started with USA ditching Pakistan after serving its objectives in Afghanistan. Pakistan was put under economic and military sanctions through infamous Pressler Amendment. At the behest of India, it accused Pakistan of nuclear proliferation and cross border terrorism in Kashmir and placed it on the watch list of terrorist states. Its response to Kashmir dispute tilted towards India.

Throughout the nineties, Indo-US cooperation in the fields of economy and military kept expanding. This period also witnessed growth of Indo-Israeli cooperation in various fields including nuclear. Several defence deals were inked by India to procure most sophisticated weaponry and technology from Tel Aviv. After nuclear tests of India in May 1998, Bill Clinton threatened Pakistan of dire consequences if it also gave a tit for tat response. When Pakistan went ahead with its nuclear tests it was put under further sanctions. On his visit to New Delhi in March 2000 Clinton signed tens of high profile economic and military deals and declared that Indo-US strategic relationship had blossomed. His behaviour with Pakistan was however highly belligerent and degrading.


When 9/11 occurred and US badly needed the support of Pakistan to achieve its objectives in this region, everyone felt that Pak-US relationship was out of the dark patch and Pakistan’s bad days were over. Such optimistic feelings received a fillip when its economy started to upturn and Pakistan became a centre of attraction for the western world. US leaders repeatedly assured Pakistan that the US would build a new kind of lasting relationship with Pakistan based on people to people friendship and would endeavour to remove its grievances against Washington. Musharraf and leaders of King’s Party were so overwhelmed and blinded with US generosities that they refused to pay any attention to some saner voices about insidious track record of USA towards Pakistan. When I questioned Gen Musharraf in 2004 in a high profile gathering about Pakistan foreign policy being too US centric, he could not give me a convincing answer but assured the audience that Pakistan knew where to draw a line. On ground, no lines were drawn and an open cheque was given to USA to intrude into our affairs without any inhibitions. Our leaders remained in a state of delirium even when USA began to arm-twist Pakistan on matters relating to US war on terror and brazenly meddled into our domestic affairs. Their sole interest lay in remaining in power for as long as possible.

Under the garb of friendship, George W. Bush twisted the arm of Gen Musharraf and made him change Pakistan’s Afghan policy. This unscrupulous U-turn at the cost of a Muslim neighbour was hailed by all and sundry under the pretext that had he not done so Pakistan would have been reduced to ruins. They nurtured the false hope that closeness with USA would upsurge the economic fortunes of Pakistan and change its destiny. After occupying Afghanistan with the active assistance of Pakistan and pushing militants towards Pakistan’s tribal belt, Pakistan was again coerced by Bush to move its forces into South Waziristan failing which US forces would step in. It was again pushed to expand the scope of war on terror by opening another front In North Waziristan.

India was given a green signal to mobilise its forces and carryout offensive deployment all along the border in December 2002 at a time when Pakistani 70,000 troops were tied along the western border. This distraction was necessary to force Pakistan to get after Jihadi organisations, forget about Kashmir, open farcical composite dialogue with India to lull the senses of leadership and get wholly distracted towards eastern border to enable CIA-RAW-Mossad sponsored agents to infiltrate into intended trouble spots of Balochistan and Fata; allowing CIA and FBI to establish its outposts in areas of interests and to cultivate its lackeys in each govt dept. Once the US succeeded in flaring up Balochistan and Fata and shifting centre of gravity of terrorism from Afghanistan into Pakistan, it started singing the nauseating mantra of ‘do more’ and also pasting multiple charges on Pakistan ranging from extremism to cross border terrorism and nuclear proliferation and linkage of ISI and the army with extremists. From July 2008 onwards US stance became more antagonistic and threatening. Its military commanders as well as presidential hopefuls fought their election campaign on the plank of Pakistan bashing. Fata and nuclear program figured high on their agenda. Pakistan was repeatedly warned that US forces would barge into Fata to get hold of senior leadership of Al-Qaeda including Osama. War games were held and various contingency plans brainstormed how to secure Pak nukes. Visits of US officials to Pakistan became very frequent and they became highly meddlesome.

After over seven years of so-called friendship with USA, Pakistan has lost on all counts. The US war on terror, which is now being referred to as Pakistan’s war has rendered our economy more fragile. So far we have lost over $35 billion. The whole country is engulfed in the flames of militancy. Insurgency in Balochistan has taken the shape of ethnic war and Punjabis are being gunned down to force them to leave the province. Talk of separation has gained currency and insurgency is being portrayed as freedom struggle. Baloch nationalists are demanding rights of self determination. Karachi is also drenched in ethnic war and target killings of political opponents have become a norm. Fata and greater part of NWFP is up in arms. Foreign sponsored militants have entrenched themselves on almost all mountainous regions of seven tribal agencies, Swat, Darra and some other settled areas. Lahore has been repeatedly attacked by RAW trained terrorists to destabilise the heartland of Punjab. Efforts are in hand to ignite southern Punjab wherefrom sizeable number has joined the Tehrik-e-Taliban. The society as a whole stands polarised while the poor segment of society groans under back breaking inflation, price spiral, load shedding and lack of justice. The rulers and the elites with feudalistic mindset are insensitive to the miseries of the downtrodden masses and remain drenched in the pool of opulence. They seemed to be least bothered about the precarious internal and external security situation and continue to place their entire trust in untrustworthy USA. Do more mantra; wild accusations and continuous violation of our air space by drones have given Pakistan a headache which has now turned into a migraine.

The army is fully engaged in defeating the militants on multiple fronts at the cost of losses in men and material. Our strategic reserves are depleting and wear and tear of our weapons and equipment is also taking place. India and the US want Pak army to get overstretched and over committed in north-western regions, get fatigued and demoralised. It wants its weapons to get eroded and reserve stocks of spare parts and ammunition to get depleted. It is particularly interested in erosion of barrel life of US supplied medium and heavy artillery guns, tanks main guns, guns mounted on gunship helicopters and F-16s. In short, it wants that army and air force war stamina should dwindle so that when the crunch time comes the two services are incapable of defending international borders and the sky. In conclusion one can say that friendship with USA instead of proving beneficial has always been injurious and costly.
 
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SEE NEO, I KEEP TELLING YOU AND YOU WON'T LISTEN - WE ARE SHOUTING INTO THE WIND.
 
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The elite thinks other wise and unfortunately they are the rulling class so we cant expect any dramatic change in our foreign policy with respect to WOT but then again people condemn Imran Khan all the time. Isnt he saying the same thing for ages.
 
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Question is why US always prefer Iindia over Pakistan ?


80% of US senators and parliment members elected by support of stronge US jew lobby ( AIPAC ), US jew lobby has very strong grip on politics ,finance and media of USA.Jew lobby is not happy with Pakistan's nukes and consider it risk for existance of Israel.

Another factor is that India has very high potential of growth and also very big consumable market for American products .

Third factor is US wanted a stronge country which could neutralize the chinies economical and defence aims and growth in region.
 
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Hey why do you think you are not rewarded ? USA has been supporting you for many years and pouring in Billions and assisting you by military too, Even in Mumbai attacks it supported Pakistans position though they know its going to support Kashmir "Freedom Fighters" :)
 
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Hey why do you think you are not rewarded ? USA has been supporting you for many years and pouring in Billions and assisting you by military too, Even in Mumbai attacks it supported Pakistans position though they know its going to support Kashmir "Freedom Fighters" :)

I agree with you. America love Pakistan. She will prefer Pak over India.:pakistan::usflag::pakistan::usflag: :pakistan::usflag:
 
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Psugmar - I suppose you are an Indian, unless you be flying flags of convenience.
Shouln't India be supporting the Kashmiri 'Freedom Fighters'[ as u infer] as well in addition to Pakistan and the US and all the freedom loving countries of the world?
After all India stands for freedom, liberty and Democracy of all the oppressed people of the world.
Why should Kashmiris, so close to home, be left out??

Pakistan didn't get US aid for nothing. It was aligned with USA against the Soviet Union in the cold war era, while India got its share of dole from the Soviet Union for its alignment in the opposite camp.
Pakistan gave more than her share of the bargain to the US. Remember the Gary Powers episode - who was shot down over the Soviet Union flying his U-2 spy plane from an air base in Peshawar.
The Soviets had then threatened Pakistan to wipe off Peshawar from the face of the earth. And later, down the line came the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the Mujadeen and their long struggle and the subsequent Soviet withdrawl which was a benchmark in the collapse of that empire.

Then came the so called GWOT or the terror itself, the 'shock and awe' as defined by Rumsfeld and his Generals, and again Pakistan jumps on this American bandwagon to beat up a poor brotherly Muslim country. It was not for nothing that Americans gave to Pakistan.
If India had done half of what Pakistan did for the Americans, perhaps Soviet Union would not go belly up so soon.

These were the old alliances. In the new line up, in this interplay of the three major players, US,China and India - there is a lack of ingenuity that is not readily apparent and perhaps it could have been different.
How so??
Give me a buzz and I might wisen you - or perhaps not - depends.
 
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Hey why do you think you are not rewarded ? USA has been supporting you for many years and pouring in Billions and assisting you by military too, Even in Mumbai attacks it supported Pakistans position though they know its going to support Kashmir "Freedom Fighters" :)

US provided weapons only for Afghan Mujahdeen but Pakistan supported 35 million Afghan IDP's at our own expenses, which was more then 10 Billion USD.

Similarly Pakistan's total loss is now exceeding 20 Billion USD in last eight years of WOT.

US aid or grant is not more then 10% of total losses.

We have developed nukes and missile program and other defence projects with help of GCC states and China not with help of USA.

Better do little research before making base less comments to avoid embrassment .:tsk:
 
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Most of these problems in Pakistan were created by Bastard ZIA with the help of Saudis but no one dares to point the finger in that direction.

Quite frankly iam sick and tired of Pakistani politicians and there continues crying yet doing nothing and i mean absolutely nothing to fix any of the economic problems of Pakistan.

Blaming Americans for all our ills is convenient but far from the truth if we are going to act like idiots of the world world will treat us like an idiot.saudies give us oil on deferred payments wow they are our biggest friend in the world Americans give us millions/yr in aid plus economic help WOWS Those bastards they out there to get us.

Till we start to elect politicians that actually care for Pakistan do not blame the world it's our own fault every Garbage sitting in Islamabad is for himself they could not care less for Pakistan only thing you see them doing to fix the economy is Begging for money and where is that money going (Swiss accounts)

Americans and the world did not come to India cause of Jewish lobby they came to India after Dr. Singh started opening the Indian economy and started removing red tape Pakistani politicians think red tape is something U buy at the local hardware store look at the new prime minister in waiting he is 2nd grade fail graduate of city streets.
 
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The army is fully engaged in defeating the militants on multiple fronts at the cost of losses in men and material. Our strategic reserves are depleting and wear and tear of our weapons and equipment is also taking place. India and the US want Pak army to get overstretched and over committed in north-western regions, get fatigued and demoralised. It wants its weapons to get eroded and reserve stocks of spare parts and ammunition to get depleted. It is particularly interested in erosion of barrel life of US supplied medium and heavy artillery guns, tanks main guns, guns mounted on gunship helicopters and F-16s. In short, it wants that army and air force war stamina should dwindle so that when the crunch time comes the two services are incapable of defending international borders and the sky.

This is some serious Bullsh!t. Are we talking about real weapons or toys? Is it not delusional to claim that the gun barrels will simply erode away in one instance of CI warfare? Not really sure, I am no MP, but that is what guns are supposed to do. FIRE at your enemy, whoever they are.
 
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This is some serious Bullsh!t. Are we talking about real weapons or toys? Is it not delusional to claim that the gun barrels will simply erode away in one instance of CI warfare? Not really sure, I am no MP, but that is what guns are supposed to do. FIRE at your enemy, whoever they are.

Dont worry you guys still be in advantage if things continue to move in the direction they currently are.:tsk:
 
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Strange,
After 60 years of being an ally to the America we are still confused and discussing whether US is a friend or a foe.
 
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Isn't it funny how both Afghanistan and Pakistan are paying for Arab's deeds. :(
 
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US provided weapons only for Afghan Mujahdeen but Pakistan supported 35 million Afghan IDP's at our own expenses, which was more then 10 Billion USD.

Similarly Pakistan's total loss is now exceeding 20 Billion USD in last eight years of WOT.

US aid or grant is not more then 10% of total losses.

We have developed nukes and missile program and other defence projects with help of GCC states and China not with help of USA.

Better do little research before making base less comments to avoid embrassment .:tsk:

Hey stop screaming like your president "we helped US to create Evils" You wanted to throw out Russians and Indians out of Afghanistan just for your Strategic needs, Pakistan cannot fight against USSR so joined hands with USA, It was you to decide the budget and you failed to estimate properly and its costing you more than expected and your ISI failed to make Taliban a ruler of Afghanistan and its going worst that you are fighting against them.Its just a failure of ISI + CIA , USA can afford for it but you cannot.

Its the war you started and blaming the world that you do not get enough money is not good, Just think if USA really helped India to stop Pakistan's IMF Loan ? Did they do it ? NO!!! Your best friend China could have done nothing to get your IMF loan if USA was against you.

You do not get enough support from USA for your nukes, the only reason I can say USA is clever enough not to hand over any WMD to you, But if China really has helped you make nukes I would say this is definitely a failure of their foreign policy that they have provided nukes to Pakistan which has a good delivery system and a well established missile program and nobody can predict future ( Pakistan can take side with USA to attack China and with present political scenario USA controls your politicians and military)
 
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