France's Beef With Islam

[Hussein]

Nothing to do with extremism.

Exactly.

Reason is very simple why he is pointing the Muslims and the Jews for the treatment of animals...

In the next elections ... Sarkozy in the second round gets 42% and the "socialist" gets 58%
It is rare in the history of the French republic that someone is so much "beaten"

So he needs to get as much people to vote for him

One of the tactics is that he avoids the "Front National" (extremists) to be candidate with the system of major (a candidate needs a support from 500 city majors to be candidate) and he is doing a part of the National Front speech to get the 15% people who vote for National Front.

Politics. Dirty politics but politics

 

[Developereo]

I would like Muslims to be part of the solution than the problem, acclimatizing in local conditions than acting as a divisive force, disturbing the balance of peaceful/secular societies.

Why is it that Hassidic Jews in their dress are not "acting as a divisive force, disturbing the balance of peaceful/secular societies."? Why is it that Sikhs in turbans or Hindus with teeka are not "acting as a divisive force, disturbing the balance of peaceful/secular societies."? How come, for centuries, Jewish men wearing a yarmulka to school didn't disturb the French secular balance?

Simply repeating the false claims of the European bigots is not an argument in itself. If Muslims controlled the Western media and financial institutions, no one would dare complain about burqas. It is not the burqa itself that is disturbing anything; it is merely an excuse for certain groups to legitimize their Islamophobia -- which has been there all along.

Once again, this discussion is about beef. Notice how the French politicians are quick to apologize to the Jewish community:

French PM scrambles to defuse halal-kosher row | Reuters

France's prime minister told Jewish leaders on Wednesday he had not meant to stigmatise their community when he urged them to rethink ancient dietary laws, as he strove to defuse a fractious row about minorities in the run up to a presidential election.

Prime Minister Francois Fillon caused an uproar on Tuesday when he said the Jewish and Muslim "ancestral traditions" of ritual slaughter were outdated and unjustified.

 

[The SC]

rule of the land should be followed

So every minority in every Muslim country should eat halal.

 

[samrat]

So every minority in every Muslim country should eat halal.

Actually they are. You can hardly find non-Halal meat in Muslim dominated countries. Even KFC, Mc Donalds etc are Halal.

 

[The SC]

Can only at the bold part .

Life of muslims has been made cheap by muslims themselves who kill others and each other for the pettiest of reasons .This is the truth .

Most atrocities on muslims throughout history and even in the recent history has come from their fellow muslims only . Look at your own country for the best example .

Blaming the rest of the world for their own problems is also a reason why Muslims cant find a solution to their problems.

That is your opinion based on your trauma from the Muslim invasion of India centuries ago, you still remember!

 

[samrat]

That is your opinion based on your trauma from the Muslim invasion of India centuries ago, you still remember!

Yes we still remember how Muslim armies clashed with eachother more fiercely than with Hindu armies for dominance over South Asia.

 

[The SC]

Stressing that a baseless rhetoric is a truth doesn't actually make it truth. Extremism of Muslims is not extremism its your lack of knowledge and paranoia , self pity. Its anger which has been created by the atrocities against Muslims in Kashmir , Palestine , Chachnia , Bosnia , Kosovo , India in last fifty years. Its anger over foreign forces patrolling our seas , installing dictators , controlling our natural resources. Its anger that life of a Muslims has become more cheaper over the years.


People can get away with killing Muslims , taking our resources , hijacking our governments and militaries, its not extremism its our collective suffering and anger over the entire situation.

It is not anger it is their actions to trigger a reaction that is designed to trigger a negative emotion(s) to portray Muslims as evil.
This is socio-psychology combined to mass media and directed by politics, to say it in other words it is a psychological as well as a physical war against Islam.
But their efforts are thwarted since we understand their aims and means to achieve it.

 

[Kompromat]

@ Developero: Nicolas Sircozy happens to be an ethnic jew.

 

[53fd]

Why is it that Hassidic Jews in their dress are not "acting as a divisive force, disturbing the balance of peaceful/secular societies."? Why is it that Sikhs in turbans or Hindus with teeka are not "acting as a divisive force, disturbing the balance of peaceful/secular societies."? How come, for centuries, Jewish men wearing a yarmulka to school didn't disturb the French secular balance?

Because sadly, most Muslims that radically undergo change in the West do so as a reaction, a rebellion against perceived grievances, & has a very political nature. That's why you see many more Muslims willing to blow themselves up for a cause than non-Muslims would. Which is why people are apprehensive of Muslims in 'unusual garbs' than non-Muslims in 'unusual garbs'.

It is not the burqa itself that is disturbing anything; it is merely an excuse for certain groups to legitimize their Islamophobia -- which has been there all along.

I agree they are trying to legitimize their Islamophobia. But I believe all minority groups, regardless of religion should stand up & make themselves heard. I think Shias must take a huge part of the blame for the violence against them in Pakistan, as they have failed to stand up & make themselves heard. They've never fully explained to others what we stand for, resulting in a lot of misinformation. Minority groups regardless of religion need to be part of the solution than the problem, act responsibly (even if the majority isn't acting responsibly), & make themselves count & their voices heard, if they want to co-exist peacefully with the majority (if they don't, then you see the problems faced by Muslims in countries where Muslims are a minority group). This can only be done if a minority group acclimatizes themselves in society, rather than acting as a divisive force (this has more to do with than dress), & this also requires a certain amount of compromise on certain issues. Muslim societies generally fail to acclimatize as well as non-Muslim societies do (more to do with than dress).

Once again, this discussion is about beef. Notice how the French politicians are quick to apologize to the Jewish community:

Let me make myself clear. I do not condone the discrimination & bigotry against Muslims as shown by this situation. However, I would like Muslims in non-Muslim countries (& to all minorities regardless of religion) to show patience to the injustices they face, to be part of the solution than the problem.

 

[The SC]

They are just trying to protect their native culture guys .

Just like Muslims won't like women roaming around wearing bikinis in their countries and dancing around in strip clubs ,they seem to have a problem with women wearing Burkas and street prayers that block streets . I don't think there is anything wrong with this. Every country must have the the right to protect its native culture

Tell mother Theresa about this.

Muslims enjoy women without fuss and give them more respect and freedom than the western cultures .
Friday prayers in Paris is a socio-political issue-not enough mosques for Muslims-

 

[Awesome]

I have a problem with Muslim extremism as well. They bring a bad name to Islam.

Good to know, but what is extreme about Muslims in this issue?

 

[Awesome]

rule of the land should be followed

I disagree - if rule of the land should have been followed, why oppose Nazi massacre of Jews or why abolish slavery?

They were laws of the land - but bad laws against minorities. You have to stand up, fight for your rights as long as you're right.

 

[Harry Potter]

There is nothing "extremist" about eating halal meat or wearing a headscarf.

Agree.
But Saudi Arabia,Iran doesn't allow women to allow western dress or drive cars,there's nothing extremist in that too.

 

[Developereo]

Because sadly, most Muslims that radically undergo change in the West do so as a reaction, a rebellion against perceived grievances, & has a very political nature. That's why you see many more Muslims willing to blow themselves up for a cause than non-Muslims would. Which is why people are apprehensive of Muslims in 'unusual garbs' than non-Muslims in 'unusual garbs'.

So you went from "beef" to "burqas" to "blowing up". This is what we meant by using extreme examples to stigmatize an entire community.

Muslim societies generally fail to acclimatize as well as non-Muslim societies do (more to do with than dress).

There are Islamic schools in the West. There are also Jewish and Catholic schools. There are sharia courts in some countries; there are also Jewish courts. There are halal shops and kosher shops. Almost everything where you can point to Muslims failing to "acclimatize", there are similar corollaries in other communities. The only difference is that their media only highlights the Muslim cases. Like I wrote, if Muslims controlled their media and finances, no one would dare complain about this so-called lack of assimilation.

I am not denying that there are extremist elements in Muslim communities, just as there are in other communities, but the disproportionate focus on Muslims has more to do with Western political agenda than anything else.

 

[53fd]

So you went from "beef" to "burqas" to "blowing up". This is what we meant by using extreme examples to stigmatize an entire community.

This is not how I feel, but how the West feels. All they have to read everyday is killings from "Islamists" all over the world. But let me argue again: while Islam suffers the worst image perception today, religion as a whole is being looked down on in the West. People in the West think religion is a man-made creation, & more & more people are dissociating themselves with religion everyday, resorting to Atheism/Agnosticism. People have become disillusioned with religion. It was Christianity before in the Dark Ages, it's Islam today.

There are Islamic schools in the West. There are also Jewish and Catholic schools. There are sharia courts in some countries; there are also Jewish courts. There are halal shops and kosher shops. Almost everything where you can point to Muslims failing to "acclimatize", there are similar corollaries in other communities. The only difference is that their media only highlights the Muslim cases. Like I wrote, if Muslims controlled their media and finances, no one would dare complain about this so-called lack of assimilation.

I agree with you about the media, especially when all the Western media outlets do everyday is report terrorism by "Islamists" all over the world. If Muslims had better control of the media, things would have different. If Muslims had acclimatized in the West in all fields of life, had powerful lobbies like the AIPAC, had influential thinkers & writers; you get the drift, Muslims would have been much better off. Who is responsible for the lack of representation of Muslims in all spheres of life in the West? Muslims. This is what I mean by failing to acclimatize & making themselves heard/count.