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PARIS, NOV 28: French shipyard DCNS, creators of the Scorpène-class submarine, have offered the Indian Navy two Scorpène submarines off the shelf as a quick stop-gap to stem dwindling force levels, compounded by the recent INS Sindhurakshak tragedy. The company, cleared by the French government to make the offer, has said it can build two Scorpenes and deliver them to coincide with the induction of the first of six Scorpènes being license built at Mazagon Docks in Mumbai.

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I had a chance to speak with executives at DCNS who confirmed that the Scorpène build programme was 'on track' after major hiccups for most of the last few years. A review meeting scheduled for next week will take stock of progress, a monthly affair that involves persons from the French DGA, DCNS and French industry.

DCNS, currently committed through an MoU with DRDO to help facilitate the integration of the latter's in-development air independent propulsion system has expressed anxiety about the absence of an official 'Plan B' in case the DRDO project doesn't deliver a workable AIP module for the final two submarines in the license build. DCNS, which has for long tried to convince the Indian Navy to commit to the French MESMA (Module d’Energie Sous-Marine Autonome) AIP system, it now plans to formally suggest to the Indian Navy that they 'formalise' this Plan-B on paper. The MESMA being proposed, sources at DCNS tell me, will be a second generation system where the steam generator involved will be replaced with fuel cell technology.

Officials at DCNS have also suggested that the DRDO system, being developed by the Naval Materials Research Laboratory in Mumbai, is unlikely to meet timelines given that it will need to be ready (developed fully and then tested in dock, at sea and at depth after integration with the submarine) before 2015 -- a "difficult proposition", according to one official. DRDO officials contest this, and insist that the programme is on track and will meet timelines. DCNS plans to recommend to the Indian Navy that the Plan-B be invoked if the DRDO doesn't meet a specified timeline (beyond which, delays would impact the submarine build itself) on the indigenous AIP. It also plans to suggest that the DRDO AIP then be retrofitted on the first four submarines, if the Indian Navy wants that.

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as usual the drdo couldn't even make an aip!!
i mean comeon,there is a limit to everything..........reforms are urgently needed

and does anyone really think that they will help us in building our own aip??
are we living in fool's paradise or what??
 
hence drdo aip should be deemed doa
this has continued for the last 3 decades and history is repeating itself again

As of now, submarines are the bigest priority, with or without AIP. Whether they have faith in DRDO's AIP or not, they should get the subs. Add the AIP once it is avilable, or get them with AIP directly. But get the subs.
 
AIP comes with last two subs? won't first 4 subs would get it?
 
as usual the drdo couldn't even make an aip!!
i mean comeon,there is a limit to everything..........reforms are urgently needed

and does anyone really think that they will help us in building our own aip??
are we living in fool's paradise or what??

Before taking pot shots, you should be qualified enough to know the complexities of systems in question. If high efficiency military grade Fuel Cells were as easy to make like they show in Youtube videos, every one would have been living off the grid now.

DRDO AIP has been ready and operational for almost 3 years now, the only concern is the efficiency, and some heating issues.

AIP comes with last two subs? won't first 4 subs would get it?

Will be upgraded with an AIP system later on, i believe.
 
Before taking pot shots, you should be qualified enough to know the complexities of systems in question. If high efficiency military grade Fuel Cells were as easy to make like they show in Youtube videos, every one would have been living off the grid now.

DRDO AIP has been ready and operational for almost 3 years now, the only concern is the efficiency, and some heating issues.



Will be upgraded with an AIP system later on, i believe.
don't start posting philosophy here
i am not going to make aip ,,,,,drdo is
and they are qualified ppl getting salary and they need to perform

and pls post in support for ur claim about drdo aip??
i don't think they have made an aip,if they have i will be pretty happy
 
as usual the drdo couldn't even make an aip!!
i mean comeon,there is a limit to everything..........reforms are urgently needed

and does anyone really think that they will help us in building our own aip??
are we living in fool's paradise or what??
well...my man...there r a lot of ppl..even here who thnk highly of there competence..too highly i wud say...
btw how was ur exam....i'm new here bt read somwhr as guest tht u r appearng for aipgmee..
 
Before taking pot shots, you should be qualified enough to know the complexities of systems in question. If high efficiency military grade Fuel Cells were as easy to make like they show in Youtube videos, every one would have been living off the grid now.

DRDO AIP has been ready and operational for almost 3 years now, the only concern is the efficiency, and some heating issues.



Will be upgraded with an AIP system later on, i believe.

Why not install in first place instead of upgrading them which would obviously take time?
 
well...my man...there r a lot of ppl..even here who thnk highly of there competence..too highly i wud say...
btw how was ur exam....i'm new here bt read somwhr as guest tht u r appearng for aipgmee..
on 5 th
 
don't start posting philosophy here
i am not going to make aip ,,,,,drdo is
and they are qualified ppl getting salary and they need to perform

and pls post in support for ur claim about drdo aip??
i don't think they have made an aip,if they have i will be pretty happy

Though i have many other documents to vividly describe the working principle of AIP, but won't reveal it because of the sensitivity of the documents. And i did my internship with DRDO on nanostructured Zirconium based active surface for hydrolysis of water.

This might give you a fare idea.
http://web.iitd.ac.in/~sbasu/seminar/presentation/3S.R.ChoudhuryNMRL,DRDO mbernath.pdf

Why not install in first place instead of upgrading them which would obviously take time?

It's not a smart move to upgrade it at a later stage, but Indian Navy is optimistic on the AIP developed by DRDO.
 
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