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France, Italy, Denmark back European-led naval mission for Hormuz

We have no bussiness in africa or pacific. Though joint patrols in atabian sea, persian Gulf red sea and turkish Mediterranean sea is plausible. If only was not in deep shit we could include them too.

Anywys its off topic.. I hope chinese pakistaniz and turks can some how defuse trnsions. Perhaps russia too.

How come shupa power india is so quiet and not trying to ease tensions for the sake of Iran a good partner of theirs. Seems we pakistaniz care alpt more about iran than say anyone else. Perhaps turks do too.
Navy ships make harbor visits in peace time . These naval activities contribute positively to the diplomatic activities and inter-state relations of the countries. This flag display activity is a navy tradition.

The situation I am talking about is the occasionally implementation of this activity by Pakistan and Turkish navy together.

What you're talking about is a kind of tension escalation and showing hard-power. It is much more complicated than any other situation and need coordination from bottom to top .

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You can view the following video about the activities of the "Turkish naval task force Barbaros - 2014".

 
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" for them beating woman is normal " says the mullah to a crowd of woman dressed in Batman costumes.

" They have a wild nature " ... " they kill easily and commit murder in cold blood ".

How can you oppose what he is saying? The biggest well-known indication of the inherent savagery of Western Europeans is exemplified in the Holocaust. Just about ever major West Euro power back in the day contributed to it.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/controversial-rabbi-says-paris-attacks-punishment-for-holocaust/
 
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How can you oppose what he is saying? The biggest well-known indication of the inherent savagery of Western Europeans is exemplified in the Holocaust. Just about ever major West Euro power back in the day contributed to it.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/controversial-rabbi-says-paris-attacks-punishment-for-holocaust/

I do no think you can Judge a person according to his race.

Fact is , all man are capable of doing good things or bad. Matters not where they come from.

It is never a good thing to reach generalizing conclusion about a whole nation or population, that is another lesson we learned in the holocaust. We should not fall into this trap.

For example , in Poland antisemitism was wide spread and strongly rooted. Many poles have actively participated in the Holocaust. On the other hand there where poles who helped hide Jews in their homes and took care of them all the years of the war , when the penalty for doing so was death to them and their families.


Beside , as i said that this Mr " Supreme " leader , ayatollah Khomeini , is the last person that can speack about cruelty.

He is directly responsible for the bloodiest war in the middle east in the last 100 years.

It is true that Sadam , being a butcher , was the one that started the war. But the responsibility that it lasted for 8 years lays in the hands of the mullahs.

Iran could have easily stopped the war after two years. There was a ceasefire agreement on the table. But Mr Ayatollah Khomeini rejected it. He his " great vision " was that the blood of the martyrs would serve as good fuel for his Islamic revolution.

So the war continued for another 6 long years. Most of the casualties of that war where in those 6 years. The war ended with the sides holding more or less the same lines that they held 6 years before. Most of the casualties where in those 6 years.

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Denmark.....looooool

Denmark. "lol". Despite its size,its navy packs some serious firepower and punch,by far even more potent that the outdated and utter cr@p Iranian navy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Royal_Danish_Navy_ships

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iver_Huitfeldt-class_frigate

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absalon-class_support_ship
 
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Denmark. "lol". Despite its size,its navy packs some serious firepower and punch,by far even more potent that the outdated and utter cr@p Iranian navy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Royal_Danish_Navy_ships

sTLAvA5.jpg


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iver_Huitfeldt-class_frigate

thumb2-hdms-absalon-l16-royal-danish-navy-frigate-warship.jpg


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absalon-class_support_ship
Yeah,unfortunately tho` you`re making the common mistake of looking at it from a purely navy vs navy perspective,which in reality it wouldnt be.

All these people hide behind coalition forces....why doesnt it go and fight iran one on one.
Whaaat!!,independent action from a mere vassal state!....surely you jest sir.:angry:

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Beside , as i said that this Mr " Supreme " leader , ayatollah Khomeini , is the last person that can speack about cruelty.

He is directly responsible for the bloodiest war in the middle east in the last 100 years.

It is true that Sadam , being a butcher , was the one that started the war. But the responsibility that it lasted for 8 years lays in the hands of the mullahs.

Iran could have easily stopped the war after two years. There was a ceasefire agreement on the table. But Mr Ayatollah Khomeini rejected it. He his " great vision " was that the blood of the martyrs would serve as good fuel for his Islamic revolution.

So the war continued for another 6 long years. Most of the casualties of that war where in those 6 years. The war ended with the sides holding more or less the same lines that they held 6 years before. Most of the casualties where in those 6 years.

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By that sort of thinking one can blame much of ww2 on the western allies then.If only churchill had accepted the germans peace proposals in 1940 imagine how many lives could`ve been saved not only on the side of the western allies but also among europes civilian populace.I guess we can blame it all on that fat cigar smoking imperialist rather than the little strutting fascist,right?
Generally tho` you blame the guy who started the war and in this case it was clearly saddam.Not to mention that saddam could`ve easily rebuilt his military after any early 80s peace deal and still would`ve likely posed a big threat to not only iran but the rest of the region as well.
 
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Yeah,unfortunately tho` you`re making the common mistake of looking at it from a purely navy vs navy perspective,which in reality it wouldnt be.


Whaaat!!,independent action from a mere vassal state!....surely you jest sir.:angry:

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Of course it's a navy vs navy perspective. Iran has surely not the means to face or challenge the US and European navies. Seizing a tanker without any escort isn't quite an achievement. The Iranians didn't dare to seize the tanker that was escorted by the HMS Montrose. If the Stenpa Impero was under protection,never it would have been seized.
 
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Of course it's a navy vs navy perspective. Iran has surely not the means to face or challenge the US and European navies. Seizing a tanker without any escort isn't quite an achievement. The Iranians didn't dare to seize the tanker that was escorted by the HMS Montrose. If the Stenpa Impero was under protection,never it would have been seized.
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side note: the number of subs are not correct in this pic Iran has 30 submarine in it's fleet.
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you are completely naïve to the backdoor racism in "western"
I am all for correct terminology. Race - is a biological termin. Western Europeans can not be racists against Eastern Europeans because we are the same European race. The right termin for their arrogance is chauvinism, not racism.

Europeans has no chance against Iran because they can not cut Iranian supply lines from Russia and China. Europeans will be out of navy cruise missles in a few days and they will just go home (those of them who still can).
 
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Denmark. "lol". Despite its size,its navy packs some serious firepower and punch,by far even more potent that the outdated and utter cr@p Iranian navy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Royal_Danish_Navy_ships

sTLAvA5.jpg


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iver_Huitfeldt-class_frigate

thumb2-hdms-absalon-l16-royal-danish-navy-frigate-warship.jpg


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absalon-class_support_ship
Danish Navy vs Iranian military in general comparison is very different from Danish Navy vs Iranian military IN the Persian gulf. I still believe Iran is mostly cautious in Persian Gulf against only: US, China and Russia. Outside of that, send your ships, Iran maintains the advantage in the Persian Gulf. Also, short of heavy aerial bombardment by US, Iran's military is probably not going to lose sleep.

All these people hide behind coalition forces....why doesnt it go and fight iran one on one.
cuz they cant. It costs Iran so little to stress them in the Persian gulf and it costs them to so much to TRY to maintain security in the Persian GUlf. Already US has implied it cant maintain security in the Persian gulf alone. UK now has to commit most of its Navy to patrolling the Persian gulf(so how can they help US in South China sea?). ALso, we cant forget economic and citizen interests in the Middle East. US, UK, Denmark cannot secure Persian gulf shipping and all their biz interests in the Middle East at the same time. EVerybody is vulnerable when you face a determined adversary.
 
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Of course it's a navy vs navy perspective. Iran has surely not the means to face or challenge the US and European navies.
If this is true then why do EU + US navy nowadays need a "united" military front in containing Iran? to me thats evidence each of those countries cant take on Iran while at the same time not taking many losses and achieving the military objective(s) .


Seizing a tanker without any escort isn't quite an achievement.
THis is false because you have ignored the context- this is a developing country seizing commercial equipment/ships of a nuclear UNSC anglo-saxon first world power?/ c'mon. if its that easy then why dont more countries do it?

The Iranians didn't dare to seize the tanker that was escorted by the HMS Montrose. If the Stenpa Impero was under protection,never it would have been seized.
Actually a british warship was close to the stena, but it ended up following IRGC instructions to head to the Iranian island. UK didnt enforce because the ship was alone, and it was going to take damage before support came or it got out of the persian gulf.

YOu europeans are militarily WEAK against mid strength developing countries because your main option these days is financial, which means you actualy cant fight or dont want to lose lives...so you are afraid to fight. go sit down and keep buying shiny jets and planes US will tell u to keep on standby for the Russian military ghost...
 
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So has the armada set sail yet?
Even if it has, once it is all in the Persian Gulf they become sitting duck with little space to maneuvre. I promise you when they send it(if they do), at least half the ships will stay outside/close to the mouth of the Persian gulf. Problem for west is that they've given Iran alot of time to prepare. Even seriously damaging Iran doesnt guarantee their soldiers fighting and leaving alive. Iran has concentrated on naval reinforcements because it knows its biggest threats will come from there. Thats what they said, and that seems to be whats happening now.
 
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