Formula for new NSG members leaves Pakistan out: US group

[Cookie Monster]

Oh my God.
If you don't know something read up on it. The analogy was not whether NWS in NSG have a veto or not. The analogy was meant to say that some are more equal than others in NSG.

This classification is based on NWS and non-NWS in NSG. Any country can join NSG only in two classes - NWS or non-NWS.

The NWS States have additional rights than non-NWS states. The non-NWS states gave up on certain rights to be part of NSG.

And that is where the crux of the problem lies. The world is comfortable in having India sign NPT and join NSG as a non-NWS. India however will only join NSG as a NWS.
The exemption that NSG granted to India puts India somewhere in between the two. India is recognized as a NWS but not granted membership of NSG.

As confusing as the alphabetic soup sounds, go through it twice. I am sure you will get it.

Would u please provide a source to where u got all this information so that I may enlighten myself?

 

[Post Colonnial]

The onus is squarely on Pakistan. With the Libyan and N.Korean proliferation record that they have (so called A.Q.Khan network) they cannot simply wish away that episode. In world capitals one of the top three risks is consistently that of Pakistani dirty bomb scenario - whether such material is acquired by Pakistani terrorists forcibly or in the chaos of a terrorist attack on its military or by clandestine arrangements between the two.

 

[Cookie Monster]

Oh my God.
If you don't know something read up on it. The analogy was not whether NWS in NSG have a veto or not. The analogy was meant to say that some are more equal than others in NSG.

This classification is based on NWS and non-NWS in NSG. Any country can join NSG only in two classes - NWS or non-NWS.

The NWS States have additional rights than non-NWS states. The non-NWS states gave up on certain rights to be part of NSG.

And that is where the crux of the problem lies. The world is comfortable in having India sign NPT and join NSG as a non-NWS. India however will only join NSG as a NWS.
The exemption that NSG granted to India puts India somewhere in between the two. India is recognized as a NWS but not granted membership of NSG.

As confusing as the alphabetic soup sounds, go through it twice. I am sure you will get it.

Would u please provide a source to where u got all this information so that I may enlighten myself?

Patiently waiting.

 

[Khanate]

The onus is squarely on Pakistan. With the Libyan and N.Korean proliferation record that they have (so called A.Q.Khan network) they cannot simply wish away that episode. In world capitals one of the top three risks is consistently that of Pakistani dirty bomb scenario - whether such material is acquired by Pakistani terrorists forcibly or in the chaos of a terrorist attack on its military or by clandestine arrangements between the two.

NSG was founded as a result of India's misuse of civil nuclear technology for military purpose so you should be the last one to raise any questions. Not to mention, India has contributed greatly to poliferation by training North Korean scientist.

Read:

• India's embarrassing North Korean connection (Al Jazeera)
• India accused of nurturing N. Korea's weapons scientists (Korea Times)
  
• India, North Korea nuclear nexus exposed (Pakistan Today)

Bonus:

Listen to this hilarious 1974 interview of India's Ambassador to United Nations explaining the detonation of a nuclear device: https://soundcloud.com/aredpill/india-nuclear-bomb-1974

 

[wiseone2]

NSG was founded as a result of India's misuse of civil nuclear technology for military purpose so you should be the last one to raise any questions. Not to mention, India has contributed greatly to poliferation by training North Korean scientist.

Repeating a lie thousand times does not make a truth

 

[Khanate]

Repeating a lie thousand times does not make a truth

Denialism and delusional behaviour at its best.

 

[Deadpool]

Patiently waiting.

Apologies for the delay. Quick search yields these results.

Should explain the basics.


https://www.quora.com/Why-does-Indi...ning-the-Nuclear-non-proliferation-Treaty-NPT

 

[HAIDER]

http://www.dawn.com/news/1304941/formula-for-new-nsg-members-leaves-pakistan-out-us-group
Formula for new NSG members leaves Pakistan out: US group
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WASHINGTON: A draft proposal for accepting new members into the Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) paves the way for India’s entry but leaves Pakistan out, says a US-based arms control organisation.

The Arms Control Association (ACA), Washington, also warns that relaxing membership rules will undermine non-proliferation.

Last week, the US media reported that Rafael Mariano Grossi, a former chairman of the NSG, had prepared a two-page document, explaining how a non-NPT state, like India and Pakistan, could join the group. Mr Grossi was acting on behalf of the current chairman, Song Young-wan of South Korea, and his document enjoys a semi-official status.

To prevent India from blocking Pakistan from joining the NPT, Mr Grossi’s draft note proposes that “one non-NPT member state should reach an understanding not to block consensus on membership for another non-NPT member state”.

But ACA’s executive director, Daryl Kimball, warns that “Pakistan still has grounds to object to the formula outlined by Mr Grossi”. He explains that the document will require Pakistan to meet the same criteria for membership as India “but, to engage in civil nuclear trade with NSG states, it would have to win a separate NSG exemption from the full-scope safeguards requirement”.

The 48-nation NSG is a nuclear technology control organisation formed in 1975 in response to India’s first nuclear weapon test, which used plutonium produced with nuclear technology from Canada and the United States. The NSG seeks to prevent similar future misuses.

Current NSG membership rules require a state to sign the nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT) before joining this exclusive club. India remains one of only three countries, with Israel and Pakistan, never to have signed the NPT.

Earlier this year, India formally applied for membership and was followed by Pakistan. The United States, and a host of other powerful western nations, back India’s application, but China and half a dozen other nations are blocking India’s membership, which requires a consensus of all members.

India had hoped to join the group during NSG’s last plenary session, held in Seoul in June this year, but the meeting ended without taking any decision on New Delhi’s application.

Several countries expressed concerns over India’s entry because it had not yet signed the NPT. China led the efforts to block India’s membership.

After the plenary, the new chairman asked Mr Grossi to work out a proposal for admitting new members. The proposal he prepared also addressed the India-Pakistan dispute, acknowledging that both countries had “political reasons” for blocking each other’s membership.

But Mr Kimball points out that Grossi’s formula allows India to claim that it has already undertaken the steps necessary for membership, “which could then lead to a decision on membership for India, while still leaving Pakistan in a different status”.

The proposal requires a non-NPT state to declare that it has brought into force a clear and strict separation of current and future civilian nuclear facilities from non-civilian nuclear facilities and is willing to apply this principle to future facilities as well.

The new member also needs to assure NSG that it has provided and maintains a declaration to the IAEA that identifies all current and future civilian nuclear facilities.

The applicant also needs to assure NSG that it has enforced a safeguards agreement with the IAEA covering all declared civilian facilities and all future civilian facilities which the IAEA determines are eligible for safeguards.

Published in Dawn, December 28th, 2016

Now Pakistan should ask Muslim ummah to take out from this situation .

 

[Shajida Khan]

India is the worlds biggest deposits of Thorium and is considered as future,safer Nuclear fuel.So i think joining NSG can make india to export thorium, tough i don't know if india prefer to do that in that case any time in future

Actually Australia and US also have vast reserves of thorium -- bigger than India. It is more of a question of having a reliable reactor which is also profitable.

Now Pakistan should ask Muslim ummah to take out from this situation .

There is a Muslim ummah which holds sway over NSG?

Oh my God.
If you don't know something read up on it. The analogy was not whether NWS in NSG have a veto or not. The analogy was meant to say that some are more equal than others in NSG.

This classification is based on NWS and non-NWS in NSG. Any country can join NSG only in two classes - NWS or non-NWS.

The NWS States have additional rights than non-NWS states. The non-NWS states gave up on certain rights to be part of NSG.

And that is where the crux of the problem lies. The world is comfortable in having India sign NPT and join NSG as a non-NWS. India however will only join NSG as a NWS.
The exemption that NSG granted to India puts India somewhere in between the two. India is recognized as a NWS but not granted membership of NSG.

As confusing as the alphabetic soup sounds, go through it twice. I am sure you will get it.

IIRC, Austria and Switzerland said 'Nein' for our membership and together with China that became a 'Nein'. NSG is more of a treaty separate from NPT in which every country can say No to include a new country, even if they are insignificant one like Turkey.

NPT on the other hand has two class of members, NWS and NNWS. NWS are allowed to keep their weapons and their offensive nuclear technology; if they acquired it before 1970 or so. NNWS are no allowed to pursue nuclear technology for weapons. 1970 is an arbirary year and India will love to move it to 1974 or 75 and join the treaty as a NWS but then China will not allow it.

 

[Cookie Monster]

IIRC, Austria and Switzerland said 'Nein' for our membership and together with China that became a 'Nein'. NSG is more of a treaty separate from NPT in which every country can say No to include a new country, even if they are insignificant one like Turkey.

NPT on the other hand has two class of members, NWS and NNWS. NWS are allowed to keep their weapons and their offensive nuclear technology; if they acquired it before 1970 or so. NNWS are no allowed to pursue nuclear technology for weapons. 1970 is an arbirary year and India will love to move it to 1974 or 75 and join the treaty as a NWS but then China will not allow it.

I was gonna respond to him after reading up on the source that he provided me but u beat me to it.

Oh my God. If you don't know something read up on it.

As confusing as the alphabetic soup sounds, go through it twice. I am sure you will get it.

@Deadpool one should not be so quick to get on his high horse. It can easily make u look very stupid.

 

[Manidabest]

Americans and indians dont wanna c Pakistanis in nsg they will do anything to keep Pakistan out ... ok well if india wudntt block us then americans or any of their stooge will do ...

 

[HAIDER]

Actually Australia and US also have vast reserves of thorium -- bigger than India. It is more of a question of having a reliable reactor which is also profitable.



There is a Muslim ummah which holds sway over NSG?



IIRC, Austria and Switzerland said 'Nein' for our membership and together with China that became a 'Nein'. NSG is more of a treaty separate from NPT in which every country can say No to include a new country, even if they are insignificant one like Turkey.

NPT on the other hand has two class of members, NWS and NNWS. NWS are allowed to keep their weapons and their offensive nuclear technology; if they acquired it before 1970 or so. NNWS are no allowed to pursue nuclear technology for weapons. 1970 is an arbirary year and India will love to move it to 1974 or 75 and join the treaty as a NWS but then China will not allow it.

sarcasm for Muslim ummah lover.

 

[Sully3]

Repeating a lie thousand times does not make a truth

so glad this low life waste of space got banned

scumbag

I dont need to read delusions , India isn't a exporter of nuclear arms , even conventional arms . India is looking to buy.

The only thing India could export is thorium , who no country is interested in yet.

you indians need a reality check and that too fast

NSG was founded as a result of India's misuse of civil nuclear technology for military purpose so you should be the last one to raise any questions. Not to mention, India has contributed greatly to poliferation by training North Korean scientist.

Read:

• India's embarrassing North Korean connection (Al Jazeera)
• India accused of nurturing N. Korea's weapons scientists (Korea Times)
  
• India, North Korea nuclear nexus exposed (Pakistan Today)

Bonus:

Listen to this hilarious 1974 interview of India's Ambassador to United Nations explaining the detonation of a nuclear device: https://soundcloud.com/aredpill/india-nuclear-bomb-1974

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/formula-...stan-out-us-group.469355/page-5#ixzz4UhRVwrNl

 

[neem456]

So somebody explain me.
Now china cannot block india's membership ? Her voting is not required now ?

 

[Star Expedition]

That is good for Indian politicians. But is it what Indian people asking for?

Maybe a great economic plan like CPEC is more valuable to work for.