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Former PM Imran Khan's anti-American rhetoric exacerbated tensions: US senator

Bravo to Bajwa for not only bending over himself but creating a mess in Pakistan to please Americans. We already had proof from cipher what Americans wanted, this is just extra f*** u to Pakistanis.

Long live Army of Generals!!!! Long live chain of command!!!
Who gives a f about Pakistan, not the chokidars for sure, who take false oath to protect it.
 
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Oh Chucky, we all know, as long as the democrats are in the White House, Us-Pak relations won’t improve. Republicans are at least transactional. Democrats just want to leave Pakistan unstable and dependent. This is the experience born out of the track record of the last 30 years. The last time the democrats were fair to Pakistan was JFK and LBJ.

Btw, one of the brains behind the Biden foreign policy is Susan Rice. Read up on her views and we all know how the Biden administration is going to act towards Pakistan.


Democrats are more intolerant to how other nations run their counties then pragmatic republicans. Hopefully a Republican will be in office in 2024, even Trump. I’m one of chuck’s constituents and it looks like I’ll be voting Republican. I know I won’t be the only one. Let’s go Brandon.
 
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I recall it was Christine Fair who said that .. ie “ US doesn’t give a flying fcuk about Pakistan “




Americans think any truth about them is anti American … I heard all the comments IK stated he just repeated historical facts on what the US did …
Her statement was incomplete and should have read; “US doesn’t give a flying fcuk about Pakistan’s interests”

Until Pakistan has the internal cohesion to stabilize its politics and economy to assert its interests, no one will.

The American senator is a barking dog.

Why should we be pro-USA after the Mohammad Mossadegh removal and the Iraq war?

I support our relationship with China 100%.

Hey, everyone lets help China and buy Chinese products!
The Chinese want us to not be dependent on them and to maintain good relations with all countries to maximize our economic growth and stability. It’s a balancing act. Pakistan can’t afford to make any nation its enemy, but can uphold its interests, such as buying Russian wheat and oil, if the government is United and focused to withstand the foreign pressure.
 
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Why anti-Americanism continues to thrive in Pakistan​


Normality cannot be achieved without Pakistan itself becoming a normal country, and Washington shifting its focus of interest to the people, from the ruling elite.
Touqir Hussain Published January 18, 2023 Updated about an hour ago
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Pakistan-US relations are on the mend. How far they will go and where they are headed is not yet clear, but the keenness to move forward is evident on both ends. However, one roadblock could possibly limit large-scale progress: anti-Americanism.
The fact is, in today’s world, no state relationship is sustainable without public support. A deep dive on anti-Americanism will, therefore, help Pakistan understand the facts of the relationship to avoid failed expectations and unfair blame in the future, and Washington to not repeat policies that have caused harm to both Pakistan’s interests and its own.

Not-so-right reasons​

Anti-Americanism exists in Pakistan for both right and wrong reasons.
The latter first: While the United States has often treated Pakistan unfairly and even high-handedly, public anger against the US for not supporting Pakistan against India in the 1965 and 1971 wars, is misplaced.
The US, in fact, did not break any treaty commitments by not coming to Pakistan’s aid. The Mutual Defence Agreement of 1954 dealt primarily with the supply of military equipment to Pakistan on a grant basis. The US was of the view that Pakistan violated Article 1, paragraph 2, of the agreement by using the weapons for purposes other than what they were provided for.
The bilateral Agreement of Cooperation signed between the two countries in 1959 stated that in case of aggression against Pakistan by another state, the US would take appropriate action (in accordance with the US Constitution). This included the use of armed forces and was envisaged in the US Congress’s 1957 Joint Resolution to promote peace and stability in the Middle East in order to assist the Government of Pakistan at its request.
The 1957 Joint Resolution states only one eventuality of the US coming to the aid of a country under aggression and that is in the event of communist aggression. Regarding the US attitude towards the Central Treaty Organisation (CTO), it never perceived the treaty as a military alliance.
Another unjustified instigator of anti-Americanism in Pakistan is the myth that nothing happens in Pakistan without US approval. The reality is that in Pakistan, political dynamics have nearly always functioned fairly autonomously, and the primary — though not always the sole — stimulus for the rise and fall of governments has been domestic, not external.
Yes, the US has previously had the reputation of causing regimes to rise and fall. But reputation is not proof. The world has changed, for better and for worse.
There is no doubt that the US still acts to gain and maintain influence in other countries where its vital interests are at stake but it is no longer in the business of secretly making and breaking governments. Instead, it has gone to war, used the weapon of economic sanctions and supported mass movements for change that serve its strategic interests, all in full view.

The genuine reasons​

There is no denying that there are genuine reasons for anti-Americanism as well. The elitist, army-led and feudal-dominated ‘organising’ idea of Pakistan has long had the US as its external pillar. To its credit, from 1954 to 1965, the US strengthened Pakistan’s defence capabilities and potential for economic development, and helped launch the platform for progress. But the partnership with the US strengthened the army, enhancing its political profile in the country.
American aid and political support helped unrepresentative and inefficient governments sustain power who benefitted from the relationship at the expense of the people. The American connection thus became complicit in Pakistan’s troubled democracy, causing public contempt against the US. This added to the widely-held view that the US had not been a reliable ally.
And then came another thorn in the relationship — the nuclear issue where America’s attitude was viewed as discriminatory by the public and government alike. It piled yet another layer onto the existing anti-Americanism.
Meanwhile, the 1979 Iranian revolution and unfolding of decades-worth of Iranian-US tensions began feeding anti-Americanism across the Islamic world. Pakistani and Iranian anti-Americanism came to reinforce each other, providing the nucleus of a broader sentiment against the US in the Islamic world.
A decade of Jihad in Afghanistan during the 1980s made Pakistanis more vulnerable to fundamentalist Islamic rhetoric than ever. This came in the backdrop of the larger Islamisation project set forth by General Ziaul Haq. Thus, as the Cold War drew to a close, the vast majority of the public, particularly the intelligentsia, harboured varying degrees of anti-Americanism.

The bad breakup​

With the imposition of Pressler sanctions in October 1990, this permeated to Washington’s most trusted ally — the army. The US had no reliable ally left in Pakistan.
The US response to the 9/11 tragedy, along with the ill-conceived war on terror, set in civilisational terms as a war of ideas, came to be seen as an attack against Islam by a vast majority of Muslims. As a consequence, anti-Americanism exploded uncontrollably.
Pakistan suffered greatly at the hands of the spill-over of the war on terrorism and the Afghanistan war. It came to threaten Pakistan’s stability — on one hand with the creation of the TTP, and on the other, by spreading anti Americanism among the wider population, making it vulnerable to radical influences.
The Pakistan Army had its own issues with the Afghanistan war. The war ended up creating an Afghanistan that was not consistent with Pakistan’s strategic interests. It resulted in an increasing amount of power and influence from India in Afghanistan, and India’s enhanced role in the region was attributed to Washington’s support.

My enemy’s friend​

India’s growing relationship with the US, especially the nuclear agreement, and Washington’s refusal to give Pakistan the same deal, fostered perceptions that India and the US were opposed to its nuclear programme, among the army and general public alike.
Anti-Indian sentiments and anti-Americanism merged. Religious, nationalist rhetoric was co-opted by secular and liberal circles who affixed it to their existing unhappiness with the wars on account of how Pakistan was dragged into it by a dictator leading to a prolonged undemocratic rule.
So, democracy, Islam, honour, sovereignty and nationalism all came to provide a common platform — anti-Americanism — to a wide cross section of political opinions, religious beliefs, and social statuses.

Enter Imran Khan​

After being in the political wilderness for years, Imran Khan realised he must first create a base in one part of the country. The opportunity came his way with the increased anti-American sentiment following the exponential rise in drone attacks, failing Afghanistan war and its continued horrendous spill over in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
The consummate politician that he is, Khan tapped into anti Americanism, Pashtun nationalism, resistance against a big power, and Islamism with a single stroke — support for the Taliban.
More than an expression of support for the Taliban, it was a symbol of opposition to America. He created a base in KP from where he could now expand his appeal to the rest of the country. He did so by stoking long-standing public anger and feelings of injustice at the hands of the country’s established political leadership, and a sense of victimhood, incited by America’s post 9/11 wars.
The strategy was to malign his political opponents and the system on one hand, and the US on the other, both in the worst possible terms. And then to connect his opponents and the US in a relationship that he described in the worst possible way — slavery.
It had a powerful appeal to the aspirations of the young, educated class and the Pakistani diaspora, especially in the West, whose increasing economic status was struggling to find social recognition due to the country’s negative image which they had hoped Imran would change.
Mostly well off, for them, the economy was not a priority, but the image, honour and nationalism. For the poor struggling for their survival, he tagged the “Riasat-e-Madina” label. So some he courted with hope, others with illusion and some with a choice of being better than his rivals.
Anti-Americanism not only helped him to come to power but also rescued him when he lost power. The cipher was a God-sent opportunity. Diplomatic language in the hands of a non-diplomat can be interpreted in diverse ways, and being a classified document, cannot be shared with the public.
An ideal situation for a politician to exploit its contents to political ends without being accused of falsehood. The document was seen as proof, validating his supporters’ long held negative perceptions of America and giving unquestioned credence to Khan’s entire political rhetoric.
And by highlighting the army’s shared interests with the US, he implied its involvement in the alleged conspiracy, broadening his appeal among those opposed to its domination of politics. The strategy raised his stock enormously.
As we look to the future, people need to recognise for the good of the country that Pakistan has had serious problems of governance, social change, democratisation and development, for which we ourselves are primarily responsible. The US has not created these conditions but merely exploited them.
The bilateral relationship between Pakistan and the US needs to become normal if it is to move forward; and it should move forward. A strong relationship is beneficial to both parties. But this normality cannot be achieved without Pakistan itself becoming a normal country, and Washington shifting its focus of interest to the people, from the ruling elite.
 
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Normality cannot be achieved without Pakistan itself becoming a normal country, and Washington shifting its focus of interest to the people, from the ruling elite.

Washington has tried that, repeatedly, and has been prevented from doing so, vehemently, by the military. Limiting NGOs and fighting the Kerry-Lugar Bill aiming to support civilian institutions are just two examples.
 
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If you believe that IK was removed because of anything he said, then you would be surprised to hear what people like Mahathir, Duterte, even Erdogan have said and gotten away with.

IK was not removed because of anything he said. He was removed because he was challenging the nice little, mutually beneficial arrangement the military has with politicians and the Americans. He was removed because given time, they were going to lose their control over the country's people and resources. They could not let that happen.
 
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:omghaha: tujhe kuch nahi pta beta!!!! kuch nai. Times have changed.....US is desperate to access Afghanistan AGAIN!

Wants to repair its image as well as reduce the humiliation suffered there. It needs Pak not Pak needing him.
Bajwa is a genius....mark my words! When he will retire, then i will tell u all abt him and his strategies.

So, Its time you tell us about this genius who royally f'ed Pakistan
 
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  • US senator says he is willing to help repair the damage done to US-Pakistan relations.
  • Says tensions between the two countries have been worsened by Imran Khan's anti-American statements.
  • US hopes incumbent Pakistani premier helps foster bilateral ties between Pakistan and the US, he says.
NEW YORK: In an interview with The Washington Post, US Senate Majority Leader Charles E Schumer has stated that he is willing to use his influence to help repair the damage done to US-Pakistan relations by the anti-American rhetoric of former Prime Minister Imran Khan, The News reported.
The US senator spoke to the American-Pakistan Advocacy Group (APDG) in New York, reiterating the administration's position on Imran Khan's claims that US government assistance in overthrowing his government was part of the Biden administration.


According to him, tensions between the two countries have been worsened by the former Pakistani prime minister's anti-American statements. Schumer has high hopes for Pakistan's current Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif to ameliorate the situation, and is willing to do anything he can to help.
According to the US Senate Majority Leader, the United States adheres to a policy of acceptance for individuals who have been elected through a democratic process and upholds democratic norms and ideals.
Hinting at Imran Khan, Schumer said: “Your former prime minister did not talk positive about the US but the incumbent Pakistani premier is expected to help foster bilateral ties between Pakistan and the US."
To a question as to what the US policy would be if Imran Khan came into power once again after winning elections, he said the US holds a dialogue with an elected head of the government, adding that no matter how intensely you disagree with someone, the best way to resolve issues is to hold a dialogue.
The US senator hoped for the restoration of friendly ties between the two countries and added that Pakistan had remained an ally of the US government. When Schumer asked the gathering whom the Pakistani community in the US supported, some of them said Imran Khan while others defused the situation by saying "mixed".
Senator Schumer also slammed the Indian government for persecuting Muslims in India and added that he supported the rights of Kashmiri people. The statement of the US senator is quite distinctive and meaningful despite the Indian lobby’s influence on the Biden administration as Schumer is the Leader of the House of his party in the Senate and enjoys great influence. Besides, no candidate has appeared against him in the upcoming US Senate elections and the chances of his return unopposed are very high.
Surprisingly, the remarks of the US senator, criticising Imran Khan and pinning hopes on Shehbaz, sent a wave of despair in the APAG gathering. The sentiments of the organisers of the event were not different from the audience, so they winded up the program abruptly. It is the first time when a key US senator has explicitly opposed Imran Khan’s anti-US rants.
It's a Geo report. So take it carefully.
 
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View attachment 857624
  • US senator says he is willing to help repair the damage done to US-Pakistan relations.
  • Says tensions between the two countries have been worsened by Imran Khan's anti-American statements.
  • US hopes incumbent Pakistani premier helps foster bilateral ties between Pakistan and the US, he says.
NEW YORK: In an interview with The Washington Post, US Senate Majority Leader Charles E Schumer has stated that he is willing to use his influence to help repair the damage done to US-Pakistan relations by the anti-American rhetoric of former Prime Minister Imran Khan, The News reported.
The US senator spoke to the American-Pakistan Advocacy Group (APDG) in New York, reiterating the administration's position on Imran Khan's claims that US government assistance in overthrowing his government was part of the Biden administration.


According to him, tensions between the two countries have been worsened by the former Pakistani prime minister's anti-American statements. Schumer has high hopes for Pakistan's current Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif to ameliorate the situation, and is willing to do anything he can to help.
According to the US Senate Majority Leader, the United States adheres to a policy of acceptance for individuals who have been elected through a democratic process and upholds democratic norms and ideals.
Hinting at Imran Khan, Schumer said: “Your former prime minister did not talk positive about the US but the incumbent Pakistani premier is expected to help foster bilateral ties between Pakistan and the US."
To a question as to what the US policy would be if Imran Khan came into power once again after winning elections, he said the US holds a dialogue with an elected head of the government, adding that no matter how intensely you disagree with someone, the best way to resolve issues is to hold a dialogue.
The US senator hoped for the restoration of friendly ties between the two countries and added that Pakistan had remained an ally of the US government. When Schumer asked the gathering whom the Pakistani community in the US supported, some of them said Imran Khan while others defused the situation by saying "mixed".
Senator Schumer also slammed the Indian government for persecuting Muslims in India and added that he supported the rights of Kashmiri people. The statement of the US senator is quite distinctive and meaningful despite the Indian lobby’s influence on the Biden administration as Schumer is the Leader of the House of his party in the Senate and enjoys great influence. Besides, no candidate has appeared against him in the upcoming US Senate elections and the chances of his return unopposed are very high.
Surprisingly, the remarks of the US senator, criticising Imran Khan and pinning hopes on Shehbaz, sent a wave of despair in the APAG gathering. The sentiments of the organisers of the event were not different from the audience, so they winded up the program abruptly. It is the first time when a key US senator has explicitly opposed Imran Khan’s anti-US rants.
aren't you done fighting the Afghan war and still paying the price ....or do you need more? ..its not enough....nothing is free in this world.
 
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Didn't know US was such an insecure petulant kid that cared about a nation which has a total dollar reserve of less than what itself spends on war every single day.

"IK isn't giving us attention; we're gonna cry uwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa".
 
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