Foreign envoys urge Pakistan to condemn Russian invasion of Ukraine during emergency UNGA session

[imadul]

Jokers R out of touch, Pakistan will not take sides...neutrality will be considered an imperceptibly pro Russian stand...but it is in Pakistan long term interests in the region and beyond.

 

[FuturePAF]

Our policymakers (if we have any) are complete idiots. There was no reason to visit Russia (and give the world the impression that we are siding with them). It was totally unnecessary, especially when it is Russia that's traditionally been arming India.

The best course was to either leverage a pro-Ukraine stance (for Pakistani interests in Kashmir, Afghanistan, etc), or to just say, "we condemn all cross-border invasions and occupations" without specifying who.

Either way, trying to be cute with the West is by far the most ridiculous decision ever. Most of our net-economic gains come from the West (e.g., trade surpluses, foreign work opportunities, etc). You either standard up and take a firm, unequivocal stance, or you pipe down and avoid attention. Don't do this messy middle stuff.

It’s not to late for Pakistan to say just that, despite the trip. Seemingly Not much has been achieved on the trip anyway.

 

[Menace2Society]

 

[hunter_hunted]

We don't want to take bold decisions, but smart and clear decisions. What IK did by visiting Russia was muddy the water even more and require our state apparatus to do even more bootlicking and compromising later.

So what we have been doing since last 70 years if not bootlicking. You good for nothing analysts keep yabbering. And do you think it was without yes from army?

 

[arjunk]

Hold on. The Choice was :

Being Neutral vs Being on the Side of Russia.

India chose to be Neutral, with a physical presence in Russia ( rigtht on the day of attack ), Pakistan has 'naively' signaled that its on the Russian side.

India did take many steps :

1. We Abstained
2. We didn't Support the Russian Move, despite being a Strategic Russian partner
3. We cancelled our Military Exercise :

India to not deploy aircraft in multi-lateral air exercise in UK, IAF says

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Of course, like China we will not criticize Russia for obvious reasons. But we truly didn't take their side either.

Imran Khan landed in Russia before the invasion. If Putin started it in the middle of a meeting, do you want him to turn around and jump out of the nearest window and run back to Pakistan on foot?

 

[IceCold]

Bilal, I couldn’t have said it better myself.

Every time the Indian army amasses on Pak border, EU and the US have both played a vital role in deescalation, we all remember the conflicting stances that Russia takes at such instances.

So the next time a false flag happens, and we are left to face Indian Cold start doctrine, and we ask the EU and US to deescalate, they would very well remind us of our own past unconcern with Ukraine.

And I’ll reiterate, Pakistan has a lower GDP per capita than Bangladesh, but our leaders have egos of regional powers. This Moscow gambit will play out in the future against us, Putin played Pak, rather than being angry we are gratefully for the visit.

Is that the reason why India is being constantly armed while Pakistan is being denied even the basic stuff such as engines for T129? Or the West especially the US cares so much about us that they continue to arm-twist FATF and keep Pakistan on the grey list.
You make it sound as if it was the US that saved us all this time and not our own capabilities. If that were the case we wouldn't have lost 71. There is a saying those who do not learn from their past are doomed to repeat it. I suggest we learn from ours instead of putting blind faith on others that have time and time again deceived us.

 

[coffee_cup]

Why should the tour not have taken place?

Pakistan believes in diplomacy.

So by going to Russia just before the war broke out, Pakistan tried its best to convince Putin and others to give peace a chance. That was the right choice and should have been done by other leaders too.

War is ugly and must be stopped!

 

[Oom]

Is that the reason why India is being constantly armed while Pakistan is being denied even the basic stuff such as engines for T129? Or the West especially the US cares so much about us that they continue to arm-twist FATF and keep Pakistan on the grey list.
You make it sound as if it was the US that saved us all this time and not our own capabilities. If that were the case we wouldn't have lost 71. There is a saying those who do not learn from their past are doomed to repeat it. I suggest we learn from ours instead of putting blind faith on others that have time and time again deceived us.

I never said they tried to save us. They did it for there’s own well being, the effect of nukes going off in the subcontinent wouldn’t be limited to the the region. And yes, the west continues to deny Pakistan weapons to blunt our conventional response to Indian aggression. Nobody in the west is our friend. But Pakistan has more at stake with its relations with the west. And conventionally we will continue to be armed by China. An although the west bemoans Pakistan’s high dependency on Chinese, they do little to offer any alternative arms.

Had Pakistan the hard cash (oil gas money), that would have been another’s story.

Even our F-16 don’t have meaningful A2G munitions, no SEAD either, we were denied even the air launched harpoon integration. So keeping Pak offensive toothless and just arming Pakistan enough to hold the Indian forces off for a couple of days till international intervention stops the fighting has been a goal of the west.

 

[ameer219]

Imran Khan should be wise and not be coerced to take a side.

Lessons from Balakot air strikes should still be on the back of our minds. None of this countries came out to condemn those strikes. Always remember the hypocrisy that exist and play it diplomatically.

If you condemn Russia's acts today, it will take probably another two decades before both prime ministers meets again. Additionaly, none of these EU countries are going to ever remember this "act" when Pakistan lock horns with India again.

 

[Abdul Rehman Majeed]

TBH it would make more sense if EU can make India take sides
As india is one of the biggest arms exporter from Russia. IMAGINE SANCTIONS if you buy any kind of military equipment from Russia would do more good than asking Pakistan to do anything

Modi is a lackey of the US. So India is already in the pocket of the West.

West is worried about the Russia, China, Pakistan alliance which powers SCO.

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

So what we have been doing since last 70 years if not bootlicking. You good for nothing analysts keep yabbering. And do you think it was without yes from army?

Yes, we've been bootlicking for the last 70 years. So? Why not start making the right decisions from this point on?

And so what if the Army said, "yes" to IK visiting Russia? If that was the case, then it's even more proof the Army should stop making these decisions. It's not equipped to handle foreign affairs (just as it isn't equipped to run industries, companies, etc).

BTW, if the right people were in charge of Pakistan, we wouldn't have any analysts because the analysts would be running the country (as they do in the US, UK, Canada and literally every other first-world nation). Because we're all on the outside, we can either "analyze" and point out the right solutions, or cheerlead for the idiots running the country. I'd rather listen to well-thought-out alternatives than to support unqualified leaders.

 

[Pajeet]

Imran Khan landed in Russia before the invasion. If Putin started it in the middle of a meeting, do you want him to turn around and jump out of the nearest window and run back to Pakistan on foot?

I didn't know that you have "World news" forbidden in Pakistan's PM House. Seems he landed from planet mars, and went straight to Russia where is actually learnt the Ukraine Crisis.

You guys have a real bad luck, USA sucks you into Afghanistan, Russia Sucks you into Ukraine Affair.
What kind of incompetent people run your Foreign office ?

 

[Aesterix]

Tie it with all those countries condemning India over Kashmir. Otherwise just say its neither our war,nor our concern.

 

[peagle]

So, is white blood is more precious then brown or black blood?
Although, I always thought everyone had the same coloured blood.

They don't care about the tens of thousands of people being killed and murdered in Kashmir.
Or, all the people killed in various American led invasions, but a white country has a problem, and all of a sudden it is the biggest crime in the history of mankind.


Shameless hypocrites.

 

[Riz]

Kick out these idiots ambassadors from Pakistan just like turkey did few years ago