Foreign Countries Blackmailing Iran

[Esfand]

Unfortunately they are all true, actually the real extent of this fuckery is not fully known yet.



I'm not in Iran, but I know majority don't agree with this situation, this is not the way to "gain independence" not only we haven't achieved anything, we also have lost our economic independence! Reality may be bitter, but its the necessity to prevent the country from its ultimate collapse. Rowhani's win was overwhelming, hardliners didn't stand a chance, people who supported Ghalibaf, Rezaei, etc were not the firm supporter of Jalili. And Ghalibaf and Jalili didn't share the same ideologies either, had the election gone to the second round Rowhani would have won with even a greater margin. Even though I didn't vote for Rowhani but the reality is that he would have won either way.

Well, considering that Rowhani was allowed as a candidate means that the great and mighty rahbar seems to acknowledge that the current situation is not satisfactory (that is putting it mildly!). Either that or, as I fear, Rowhani is merely meant as a "relief valve" to please the masses, and nothing is going to change in practice.

 

[Sam1980]

Well, considering that Rowhani was allowed as a candidate means that the great and mighty rahbar seems to acknowledge that the current situation is not satisfactory (that is putting it mildly!). Either that or, as I fear, Rowhani is merely meant as a "relief valve" to please the masses.

They needed a new face. Had Jalili been elected the U.S. would have been prepared for war by now, Jalili was actually Israeli's most suitable candidate. But we have to see what happens, I predict a conflict if the issues are not resolved by end of this year.

 

[Esfand]

They needed a new face.

Then they should have gone with this one, lol

 

[Sam1980]

Then they should have gone with this one, lol

Despite what media say about him, he is a good man, he has lost a leg for his country, but he is not suitable for a presidential position. Technocrats like Ghalibaf are best suited for when the country is "functioning" under normal circumstances, for the current circumstances we need men like Rowhani.

 

[Esfand]

Despite what media say about him, he is a good man, he has lost a leg for his country

His country or his Islamic Republic...?

 

[Sam1980]

His country or his Islamic Republic...?

Haha... I couldn't possibly comment on that. But he is a war hero nonetheless. I may not agree with him, but I certainly respect him for doing his part against Saddam's invasion...

 

[Esfand]

Haha... I couldn't possibly comment on that. But he is a war hero nonetheless. I may not agree with him, but I certainly respect him for doing his part against Saddam's invasion...

True, defending ones country is always admirable. But the Basij militia also played a positive role during the war for Iran, but look at them today. Iran != Islamic Republic, although many IR-people try to establish an equality for obvious reasons. But OK, that's a different discussion...

 

[Sam1980]

True, defending ones country is always admirable. But the Basij militia also played a positive role during the war for Iran, but look at them today. Iran != Islamic Republic, although many IR-people try to establish an equality for obvious reasons. But OK, that's a different discussion...

You know I can't really talk about that for obvious reasons!

What I really have beef with is that some people think just because the U.S. is their "enemy" they should allow other countries or individuals to openly take advantage of us and do whatever they want. And to me that is idiotic. My audience for this thread were mainly Iranians, if some people are offended that is their problem really (you know who Am I talking about).

Some people are so brainwashed by their totalitarian regime to the point that they expect everyone just to bow down to them and praise their "greatness".

Just to clarify, the last paragraph was directed at darkhero who thinks Iranians owe his country anything.

 

[Sam1980]

Use Google translate to translate this link. It's from BBC, its basically about the contaminated Chinese syringes, I don't even know why are we even importing these "syringes"!!!

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[Serpentine]

Complaining? how about get a smart president next time.

I actually do support Iran for nuclear weapons or power, I think it is the right of every country. But can you just work on it silently instead of keeping talking it?

There are delayed Chinese projects, how about think other projects and help from China? In addition, if China is willing to spend big money in Africa and Afghanistan, there gotta be reasons for these delayed projects in your country, right?

No sure about Chinese companies holding Iran money for interest, but it is also common in China. Sue them if you want.

As for low quality Chinese products, simply stop buying them, make your own please. In fact, I believe it is mainly because the importers from your country were cheating your own country men. Because high quality Chinese products are everywhere.

BTW, tell you a fact, most Chinese have unfavorable view of Iran, so stop being so delusional. And why should we like you? Did you guys give us anything good?

If you don't care your country, why should we? An interesting thing I learned from this forum is most of your Muslim brothers hate you. Think about the reason, instead of simply whining.

My sincere suggestion to your country is: Keep low profile, stop being so aggressive, develop your country.

Mate don't get emotional so fast and don't take it personal.
We are not blaming China for this, nor any other country, because they are all after their own interests.

But most of the facts in this thread are true. China blocked billions of dollars of Iran's oil money and instead offered a list of Chinese products for Iran to choose and buy.

Iran signed a contract with a Chinese firm to make a highway in Iran and after three years, it didn't advance even 2% delaying the project for different excuses until they were fired from the project.
In June 2009, Iran signed a $5 billion contract with Chinese national oil company to develop an oil field near Iraq and 1 year later Iraq also signed a contract for development of an oilfield, but after 4 years, the Iranian oil field barely had any advancements while few months ago Iraqi oil field began development of the second phase.
China knows western companies won't develop them for Iran, so it does whatever it likes.
You are right, maybe Iran has done nothing for China, but neither China has done anything for Iran. Countries are not supposed to do anything for each other for free except in some special cases.

The things I mentioned above are realities, you don't need to get super nationalist, because we are blaming our own countrymen.

As I have witnessed on his forum and other sites, majority of Chinese people have a favorable view toward people of Iran and vice versa, the relation of the governments is a different story.

 

[iranigirl2]

I said this long time ago.......


The sanctions have created a situation, where many countries can use Iran for their own benefit. At this point even Afghanistan is using Iran...


For certain industry in Iran sanctions means self-sufficiency. But now they sanction Iran's oil, which is creating lots of opportunity for countries to use Iran for their own profit.


Every country looks out for their interest, and Iran would've done the same.


That's why it's very important for Iran to focus on removing them. So we can have healthy normal trade with everyone.



If you are an Iranian-American you can do something. Even if it's a small step.


Make sure to tell your state's representative, congress, etc.. that you are against Sanctions on Iran.


Certain groups e.g MEK are very pro-sanction, in fact they have an office in Washington D.C and lobby for more sanctions and fabricate reports to make Iran look bad and push for more sanctions and even war.


Make sure to speak out against them.



We all have to be against the sanctions, even if we don't support the government in Iran. Because the Sanctions are here to stay for a long time, it's very difficult to get them removed, once they become laws. We might not see sanction free Iran in our lifetime!!!






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[Armstrong]

I said this long time ago.......

The sanctions have created a situation, where many countries can use Iran for their own benefit. At this point even Afghanistan is using Iran...

Every country looks out for their interest, and Iran would've done the same.


That's why it's very important for Iran to focus on removing them. So we can have healthy normal trade with everyone.

So bache does that men you'd give up your Nuclear Program or have it heavily regularized to the point of redundancy in terms of Independence there ?

 

[iranigirl2]

self delete.

 

[darkhero]

Some people are so brainwashed by their totalitarian regime to the point that they expect everyone just to bow down to them and praise their "greatness".

Just to clarify, the last paragraph was directed at darkhero who thinks Iranians owe his country anything.

WTF are you talking? When and where did I say "Iranians owe his country anything", tell us please or stop lying.

In my post, I am simply telling you guys we did not own you anything. So stop talking like China betrayed Iran.

We buy oil from Iran, it is a simple business, sell or not, you have the choice. Indeed, KSA has made several offers to us to stop purchasing your oil. BTW, from google only 22% of your oil went to China. In fact, 18% went to Japan, also blame Japan please.

Blah, blah, just things from your imagination, what dirty tricks China played to sell low quality goods? give us sources please.

Last, if you love your country so much, why stay in a country who gave you all the troubles.

 

[The SiLent crY]

No one is going to help us except ourselves .

To be honest I think china and Russia are worse than the west before the revolution . Iran is in a stage where it can not give up or step back otherwise almost 4 decades of it's resistance , an 8 year of imposed war and dozens of other troubles the west has made for us will be nothing .

The best possible way for Iran is solving the problems in diplomacy that is unlikely as the west is enjoying the current condition , So we need to rely on our own and find some regional allies , partners etc and try to develop the country , improve our management , educational system , industry and above all economy .