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yeah it was russian tech, russians are so nice they gave help to an enemy country, how nice of them lol. when we were about to nuke each other they probably still had scientists in our country helping us lolol.

if it was stolen US tech then guess they should've put it under tighter control, in military affairs there is no such thing as your tech, there is the technology you are able to keep secret from enemies, and there is public knowledge. not one missile in the world is patented (as patents require public disclosure of design), thus there is no legal basis for crying about the technology being stolen.

indians can't even produce enough electricity, why don't they try stealing some? ah, that's patented though =)

Read again what you posted and read what has been posted in different sources already shared with you. Your statement doesn't hold any ground. Please do not post off topic comments. Thanks
 
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Nah India is not included and what is electrisic? some kind of washing powder or some super chinese technology

I mean electricity, and you shoud thanks chinese very much, bcoz of us, you can use electricity, cellphone, internet, metro, etc and live in modern society.:lol:
 
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without our electrical equipment, will india be more like afghanistan, or africa? well, at least afghans have the staunch support of the US.
 
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I mean electricity, and you shoud thanks chinese very much, bcoz of us, you can use electricity, cellphone, internet, metro, etc and live in modern society.:lol:

:rofl::rofl:: Great Chinese Inventors...:rofl::rofl::rofl:
 
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without our electrical equipment, will india be more like afghanistan, or africa? well, at least afghans have the staunch support of the US.

hmm keep your third grade electric equipments with you. stop the exports. Lets see what happens to India. On Contrary, if India puts some restrictions on imports from China your govt start crying. Check with CPC why they do that?

Sometime back there was restriction on Tainted milk and Lead Painted Toys imports from China and CPC was crying all over the places. You sell poison and want people to buy it.
 
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:lol:Indian typical action, denying everything. Who said chinese invent them? But what I mentioned in my previous post in your country are all imported from china. Pity.:lol:

Not true. Nobody is interested in Junk
 
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hmm keep your third grade electric equipments with you. stop the exports. Lets see what happens to India. On Contrary, if India puts some restrictions on imports from China your govt start crying. Check with CPC why they do that?
:rofl:Oh, if this plan is so good, why not just do it? What are you waiting for?:lol: Are you scare something?:

Sometime back there was restriction on Tainted milk and Lead Painted Toys imports from China and CPC was crying all over the places. You sell poison and want people to buy it.
Any src? Or just BS?
 
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Please don't drag India into this thread. I request fellow Indian to use "report" button and refuse to take the bait. Its Chinese intention to make this a Pissing contest so that this embarassing thread is locked by mod.

Thank you
 
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hmm keep your third grade electric equipments with you. stop the exports. Lets see what happens to India. On Contrary, if India puts some restrictions on imports from China your govt start crying. Check with CPC why they do that?

Third grade electric equipments for third grade country, if you are

poor like hell, thats what you get in return, fair ? No ?

Restriction on imports ? thats way off the mark since half of your

population live below the international poverty line, how they going

to survive without our cheap products, want more people die of

hunger, with 5000 new born babies die everyday, 2 million a year,

more farmers commited suicide ?

At the end of day, do you really think GOI will be as stupid as you ?

Wake up pal, your idiotic rant will be nothing but some bad breath

shooting out from your big mouth.:smitten::pakistan::china:
 
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Please don't drag India into this thread. I request fellow Indian to use "report" button and refuse to take the bait. Its Chinese intention to make this a Pissing contest so that this embarassing thread is locked by mod.

Thank you

You have a point so no more off topic post from me. Guys please stick to the topic. don't drag India in this debate.
 
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Not true. Nobody is interested in Junk

I dont know the other country, but indian are very interested in your so-called junk.:lol: Even what chinese export to you is low quality stuff comparing to what chinese export to the other county. :lol:
 
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http://www.wisconsinproject.org/pubs/editorials/1997/chinacheats.html

Satellite photos now reveal that a state-owned Chinese company deliberately deceived Washington officials in 1994 when it claimed it was importing American machine tools for civilian purposes. Instead, it diverted them illegally to a missile factory.

This should come as no surprise. The Clinton Administration's penchant for putting trade above national security has convinced China that even the greatest outrages will go unpunished.

The equipment came from Columbus, Ohio, where it had been used to produce the B-1 strategic bomber. The shipment included high-tech milling and measuring machines and a giant stretch press used for bending huge pieces of metal; all required export licenses from the Commerce Department. The state-run Chinese company, Catic, said the equipment was to go to a new machining center in Beijing to be used in making civilian aircraft. But the center didn't even exist when the licenses were applied for. Nonetheless, the Commerce Department approved the shipment over the protest of Pentagon officials who were convinced the machines would be diverted to military producers.

Pentagon officials say the Chinese insisted on the machine tool sale at the same time the United States was trying to get the Chinese to buy aircraft from McDonnell Douglas, a deal that Commerce Secretary Ron Brown went to China to complete and that President Clinton announced with great fanfare two months after the licenses for the machine tools were granted.

The stretch press went straight to a missile factory 800 miles from Beijing, where a special building was created to house it. The satellite photos show that the factory was under construction even as the Chinese were promising Administration officials they would use the press at the Beijing machining center. Catic also implied at the time that the plant in Beijing was almost ready, which was also not true.

Commerce Department investigators, indignant at those and other deceptions, urged in late 1995 that Catic be punished with trade sanctions. But that course was rejected at the department's higher levels, where officials have clung to the myth that engaging China is the way to get it to change its ways.

Where has our engagement policy actually gotten us? Since 1994, China has refused even to talk to us seriously about its exports of weapons of mass destruction. Despite its promises in 1992 and 1994 to stop selling missile technology, American satellites and intelligence agents have observed regular travel by Chinese missile technicians to Pakistan and have documented steady transfers of missile-related equipment. A Pakistani factory for the production of missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads is expected to be ready for operation within the year. It was built with Chinese help.

In addition, China has been outfitting Iran with poison gas ingredients and equipment for at least five years, something the United States has done little to stop.
 
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China's Submarine Forces

China currently possesses an aging force of Romeo- and Ming-class diesel submarines, as well as five nuclear-powered Han-class (SSN) submarines. China deploys only one Xia-class nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine (SSBN), which carries twelve Julang-1 (JL-1) submarine-launched ballistic missiles. The Xia is assumed to be patrolling only in its own regional waters, though theoretically, it would be capable of coming to the U.S. coast to launch its missiles, which could then reach into the western United States.

To modernize its forces, China has turned to both foreign suppliers (Russia) and its own development and production for new, more capable submarines. Improvements sought include increased stealth, more capacity to carry submarine-launched ballistic missiles, enhanced survivability for nuclear weapons, and the ability to project naval force globally.

Submarines

One place China has turned for help improving its submarine force is Russia, from which it has ordered a total of four Kilo-class submarines. The Kilo is a medium-range diesel-powered attack submarine, used primarily for anti-submarine and anti-surface ship warfare. Russia delivered the first Kilo in February 1995, the second in October 1995. Both were the 877EKM model, an export version. Two additional Kilos of a more advanced design were ordered as well. The first arrived in January 1998 and second was sent in late 1998. These Kilo-636 submarines had not previously been exported. They are among the most quiet diesel submarines in the world. Their weapons package includes both wake-homing and wire-guided acoustic homing torpedoes. The Kilo can carry up to 18 torpedoes, which are fired from 6 tubes in its bow. While it does not carry ballistic missiles, the submarine could be upgraded to carry an anti-ship cruise missile system. These Kilo acquisitions, in addition to filling out its force, will help China to improve sonar design and quieting technologies for its own submarines.

China has also been busy constructing several new classes of submarines itself. The first Song-class diesel attack submarine is in sea trials, and two more are under construction. The Song has a quieter propeller and more hydrodynamic hull than the Ming-class submarine it succeeds. In order to enhance their sophistication, these indigenously-produced submarines will incorporate Russian technology. The Song-class submarine is expected to be the first Chinese submarine capable of firing a submerged-launch anti-ship cruise missile.

In addition, China is designing a Type 093 nuclear-powered guided missile submarine (SSGN), the launch of which is expected in the next century. It will supplement China's five existing Han-class nuclear submarines. The type 093 will be a multi-purpose nuclear attack submarine with enhanced quieting, weapons, and sensor systems. It will carry torpedoes, possibly anti-submarine warfare missiles, and a submerged-launch anti-ship cruise missile, probably a follow-on to the C-801.

China's most ambitious project is a new nuclear-fueled submarine that will carry ballistic missiles. The first Project 094 SSBN is expected to enter service early in the next century. This submarine, the largest ever constructed in China, will be a significant improvement over the Xia-class submarine, featuring better quieting, sensor systems, and propulsion. It is likely to carry sixteen Julang-2 (JL-2) ballistic missiles, which are the longer-range follow-on to China's current stock of Julang-1s. China's new SSBN would be able to target the entire United States; however, Chinese timelines from concept to deployment have historically been very long, so it is uncertain when this capability will actually come on line.

Missiles

The importance of these submarine developments lies in the prospect of China projecting its naval force regionally and deploying nuclear missiles. The former capability will enable China to threaten sea lanes or Taiwan; the latter will enhance China's strategic standing and the survivability of its nuclear forces.

China currently relies upon the Julang-1 (JL-1/CSS-N-3) as its sole nuclear-capable submarine-launched ballistic missile. Twelve are deployed on its Xia-class submarine. The JL-1 is a single-warhead, two-stage missile, which has a range of 1700 km and carries a payload of 600 kg. With a diameter of 1.4 m, a weight of 14.7 tons, and a length of 10.7 m, the JL-1 is the first Chinese missile to use only solid fuel. The yield of its warhead is reported to be in the 200-300 kiloton range. China is estimated to have produced at least 50 JL-1s.

China is in the process of developing a follow-on, the Julang-2 (JL-2/CSS-N-4) submarine launched ballistic missile. The JL-2 is reported to be a three-stage solid fuel missile with a range of over 4,000 nautical miles. It is derived from the DF-23 road-mobile, solid-fuel intermediate-range ballistic missile (which was later named the DF-31). China successfully test fired the rocket engine for the missile at the end of 1983 and flight tested the land variant (DF-31) of the missile in May 1995 for the second time. According to one report, the test flight included multiple reentry vehicles, suggesting the missile will carry multiple warheads. It is estimated the warheads will yield 200-300 kilotons each. With these missiles, China will be able, for first time, to target parts of the United States from submarines operating near the Chinese coast.

In another significant development, the recent report of a select committee of the U.S. House of Representatives, chaired by Representative Christopher Cox (the Cox Committee), indicates that China stole secret design information from the Los Alamos National Laboratory in the mid-1980s on the W-88 nuclear warhead that tops the U.S. Trident II submarine-launched ballistic missile. The information is said to include general, but secret information about the warhead's weight, size, explosive power, and configuration. Although China has not developed a weapons system using the W-88 information, U.S. analysts believe it tested a warhead with similar characteristics in the mid-1990s. The stolen information could help China develop a smaller, more mobile, potentially MIRVed nuclear missile and reduce the research and design time necessary to do so. In combination with China's drive to modernize its submarine force, the theft poses a significant threat to U.S. and Asian security.
 
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