'For heaven's sake, don't buy Russian MiG-35'

[SQ8]

Lobbying or not.. the current upgrade program for the IAF's fulcrums brings them upto the level of the Mig-35 in terms of A2A capability.

 

[lilaspr]

If you look at MRCA closely it is designed to make a mix of Russian and European or American fighter. Do doubt Mig-35 is a good aircraft and If IAF wanted it they dint had to go through all this MRCA process, they would have bought it straight from Russia keeping their close relationship in Mind. Russia is even ready to offer its fifth generation fighter to India. Still i hope India should go for Eurofighter. This is one of the best in all contenders, if you ignore unit price of each plane Eurofighter is best fit for IAF.

 

[pmukherjee]

Lobbying or not.. the current upgrade program for the IAF's fulcrums brings them upto the level of the Mig-35 in terms of A2A capability.

That is right. That is as how the two stand as of now. But the Mig 29 is at the end of the line and like the F-16, there is only so much further you can take it with upgrades. That however is no reason for not buying the Mig 35 or for buying American fighters. Let the powers that be decide, we will know soon for sure.

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Russians sure loving adding numbers to the end of their planes.

 

[JayAtl]

^^^ as opposed to F whatever series or J whatever series

 

[tanlixiang28776]

Well Americans and Chinese go by blocks. There is a lot more difference between the block 1 F 16 and block 52 then the Mig 29 and 35. There is a huge difference between the J10 A and J10 B.

Still adding numbers to your plane is a good marketing tactic

 

[pmukherjee]

Well Americans and Chinese go by blocks. There is a lot more difference between the block 1 F 16 and block 52 then the Mig 29 and 35. There is a huge difference between the J10 A and J10 B.

Still adding numbers to your plane is a good marketing tactic

Does not really matter, the buyer always knows what he is getting doesn't he?

 

[SpArK]

THese were the difference between the old fighter of air force and the new one of navy.

 

[Whiplash]

^I hope you do realise most of those problems, literally most, except for wing area, fuel and such will be solved by the currwnt upgrade?

 

[sancho]

Lobbying or not.. the current upgrade program for the IAF's fulcrums brings them upto the level of the Mig-35 in terms of A2A capability.

I don't think so and would even say they are behind in A2A, but comparable in A2G. Mig 35 will have higher thrust engines with TVC, the radar will be the upgraded and most likely bigger AESA version, the airframe is based on the Mig 29 M2, while the upgraded versions still will remain to the most parts on the older, which means now fly by wire, less RCS reductions...
All these points will benefit the Mig 35 in A2A way more and make it more comparable to latest western fighters. In A2G instead, there won't be much differences, the addition of weapon stations and the integrated targeting system I would say (more payload of course too, but that's usual with any upgrade).

Well Americans and Chinese go by blocks. There is a lot more difference between the block 1 F 16 and block 52 then the Mig 29 and 35. There is a huge difference between the J10 A and J10 B.

Still adding numbers to your plane is a good marketing tactic

The Russian also name the upgrade by blocks, Mig 29B, S, SM, SMT:

Mikoyan MiG-29 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The difference of the new number is, that it is not only an upgrade with some modifications, but a real new varient with a re-designed airframe, besides the normal upraged radar, engine and avionics.
It's comparable with the difference between F18 Hornet and the later Super Hornet, that's why it's sometimes also called Super Fulcrum.
When you compare J10B instead, it's rather a normal upgrade, because there are not much differences on the airframes, bigger nose and RCS reductions AFAIK.

 

[GORKHALI]

MILITARY AVIATION AND SPACE TECHNOLOGY NEWS: 'For heaven's sake, don't buy Russian MiG-35'

 

[Whiplash]

Well Americans and Chinese go by blocks. There is a lot more difference between the block 1 F 16 and block 52 then the Mig 29 and 35. There is a huge difference between the J10 A and J10 B.

Still adding numbers to your plane is a good marketing tactic

Lolwut? The Russians also go by blocks. Ever heard of the Mig29B/M/SMT/K?

 

[Joe Shearer]

THese were the difference between the old fighter of air force and the new one of navy.

The strange thing is that originally the MiG29 was a point interceptor, with limited endurance and little capability to do other things.

The Naval upgrade, with one exception, shutting off auxiliary air intakes and taking in air through main intakes protected by mesh, is perfectly fitted to be able to operate off landing strips. Its strengthened landing gear just goes further the same way. It can even be refuelled by tankers flying in close to its base in forward areas. Nine hard points surely equip it sufficiently and beyond to perform an interdiction role as well as combat air support or air superiority. All in all, other than ground attack, in the sense of close tactical support of army operations, it can do most of what a support aircraft might be expected to do - only ten times better, in that it can now turn around in the middle of a bombing run, and take on anything that comes for it.

 

[Bigoren]

amaricans even made fun on SU-30MKI at red flag excercise...

did amaricans ever like russian weapons ?

Because american think their weapon are superior than any other's.