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Florida Pulse gay club attacked in Orlando - 50 dead and 53 injured

Well regardless of the orientation or nationality or background of that Person who committed a crime its US internal matter.

Any sane person would not take a assault weapon to any location

US generally has a high ratio of Gun Violence it is a well known Phenomenon
 
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I don't get any thing when I search omar mateen from my account.....

may be indian media going into another fantacy hyperdrive?

Let me make it very clear again. This was not posted in the Indian Media or in any other media. It is claimed that this page existed but was taken down later. Please read my original post.
Several twitter and facebook posts have posted links to the page that was taken down. Like here:
https://www.facebook.com/sebastian.loewenherz/posts/1068761049859698

This could be all false but we don't know. Don't read between the lines.
 
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Normal people die every day throughout the world, and nobody cares. But when someone killed a bunch of faggots, it becomes the number one news.
The media in america is very bigoted and biased, If a crime is committed by a black guy he's either a thief or a murderer and his color is mentioned ofcourse, Hispanic guy must be a immigrant or a drug smuggler. Muslim guy commits a crime he's a terrorist his religion is mentioned. White dudes shoot up schools and they are labeled mentally unstable and greeted with sympathy. Yellow journalism at it's finest.

People kill people guns dont!
I don't know why these democrats want to ban guns in america.

Let me make it very clear again. This was not posted in the Indian Media or in any other media. It is claimed that this page existed but was taken down later. Please read my original post.
Several twitter and facebook posts have posted links to the page that was taken down. Like here:
https://www.facebook.com/sebastian.loewenherz/posts/1068761049859698

This could be all false but we don't know. Don't read between the lines.
I bet you want it to be real don't you?
 
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indonesian govt condemns Orlando night club shooting incident

http://m.antaranews.com/en/news/105163/indonesian-govt-condemns-orlando-night-club-shooting-incident

Jakarta (ANTARA News) - The Indonesian government condemned the shooting incident that occurred in a night club in Orlando, Florida, the United States, on early Sunday (June 12), which resulted in 50 deaths and injuries to 53 others.

"Indonesia has condemned the Orlando shooting incident. We expressed our deep sympathy to the families of the victims, the government, and the people of the United States," a spokesman for the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Arrmanatha Nasir stated in his tweet from the Ministrys Twitter account on Monday.

Director of Protection of Citizens and Legal Entities of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs Lalu Muhammad Iqbal confirmed that no Indonesian citizens were victims of the mass shooting incident in Orlando.

"The Indonesian Consulate General in Houston is currently seeking further information. However, so far, there were no reports of any Indonesian citizens who become victims of the attack," remarked Iqbal.

Based on data from the Consulate General in Houston, the total number of Indonesian citizens in Florida has now reached 2,522, comprising 1,263 men and 1,259 women.

"The Consulate General will continue to monitor the on-field developments in coordination with the local authorities and Indonesian community networks," Iqbal pointed out.

The Florida police have categorized the mass shooting incident that occurred at a gay club in Orlando as an act of terrorism.

The police said the shooting was allegedly carried out by a man named Omar Mir Seddique Mateen (29), a US citizen of Afghan descent.

Mateens former wife, Sitora Yusufiy, said that he was indeed suffering from mental disorders and had a rough character.

The Orlando incident was the worst in the history of mass shootings in the United States, which President Barack Obama has described as an act of terror and hatred.
 
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People go to clubs to have a good time, have a few drinks and forget about their ills and angsts... not to worry about being killed by a lunatic.

When you're busy dancing and listening to music, who'd notice another person?

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I don't have all the info and wont speculate on why no one outside the club didn't notice (or did, but was killed as he entered), but people inside were too busy having fun to notice.

Take it from a clubbing veteran (my wife and Norwegian lady friends like to take me clubbing),

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Unless you're looking for someone with a gun, you're not going to be concerned about one. You're just going to go about your night of fun.

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did the bouncers try to stop him from entering? I dont think you can enter any club in Uk with a knife.
 
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Both France and Belgium have a lower murser rate and have less mass shootings than US
Didn't change the fact that Terrorists got hands on a bomb, let alone a fully automatic assault rifle.

BTW, what are you doing to ban guns in Pakistan?

Banning the guns is not an absurd idea...it's being practiced all over the world.
And it's not working is it? No country allows its citizens to possess bombs, yet Belgium terrorists had those.

Criminals will always get their hands on weapons of every and any type. If you disarm law abiding citizens of their ability to defend themselves then you are exposing them to criminal exploitation. Law enforcement only responds to crimes after the fact, in most cases.

A terrorist can use anything to kill people, whether its a plane (9/11) or a vehicle to maim innocent people in crowded city streets.

Also, more people in America are killed by DUI related vehicle accidents than by guns. Therefore should we also ban cars and alcohol to the public??

Normal people die every day throughout the world, and nobody cares.
That's the way the world is today unfortunately. The loss of any life is terrible.
 
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Let me make it very clear again. This was not posted in the Indian Media or in any other media. It is claimed that this page existed but was taken down later. Please read my original post.
Several twitter and facebook posts have posted links to the page that was taken down. Like here:
https://www.facebook.com/sebastian.loewenherz/posts/1068761049859698

This could be all false but we don't know. Don't read between the lines.
Of course it's false. If he was a Pakistani, the media would be blowing that fact up. It's a stupid conspiracy probably made up by an Indian.
 
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The irony here is that the right wing that you represent and clamor for is just as hateful of the LGBT community as this individual was. The right wing is just as homophobes but are getting political mileage out of this incident now that the culprit turned out to be a muslim. Other wise this could have been as easily one of the right wing nut jobs.
Really? Did the "right wing" shoot up a gay bar on Christmas like this guy did in Ramadan?

Ok, the aurora movie theater shooting, the Sandy hook school shooting, etc were the shooters muslims? Youre acting like every mass shooting in the US has been done by a radicalised muslim.

Those were all lone wolf attacks. This guy on the other hand was connected to ISIS and massacred people in the name of Islam.

Can we at least take a take a look at the gun laws and make sure people with mental illnesses, criminal background and terror supporting backgrounds aren't able to purchase semi auto rifles. What's wrong with thay? I don't understand what's the harm in reviewing some of the gun laws for the public safety.
Interesting fact is that the Gay bar this guy shot up was a Gun-Free-Zone, part of the "ban guns" initiative. The body guard at the entrance to the club was a off-duty police officer who was not allowed to carry his firearm to his job at the club.

Ban guns for the law abiding civilians, meanwhile criminals will always find a way to get weapons. This strategy didn't work out for the French it seems.

One wonders how did he managed to do all this without any reaction from the victims. Couldn't some of them jumped him while he was replacing the magazines or even hit him with a beer bottle or something.
I don't mean to jump to any conclusions but isn't it possible that some of those killed or wounded is due to crossfire by law enforcement agencies. !!!
Keep in mind it was a nigh club & bar where there was loud music on blast, some people were drunk and also keep in mind places like these tend to be hot beds for drug consumption as well. Many of the witnesses thought the gun shots were a part of the beat from the music, until they saw people bleeding or even dead.

How can you say that ? only for a minute even if we consider your allegation how can you explain the following mass shooting in the US what has motivated them?


http://timelines.latimes.com/deadliest-shooting-rampages/


Deadliest U.S. mass shootings, 1984-2016
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Here are some of the most notable mass shootings in the U.S. in recent decades.

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(David Zalubowski / Associated Press)
A gunman entered a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colo., and started firing. Police named Robert Lewis Dear as the suspect in the attacks. Three people were killed — university police Officer Garrett Swasey, Iraq war veteran Ke’Arre M. Stewart and Jennifer Markovsky, who had accompanied friends to the clinic. Each was the parent of two children.

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(Rich Pedroncelli / Associated Press)
Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer shot and killed eight fellow students and a teacher at Umpqua Community College. Authorities described Harper-Mercer, who recently had moved to Oregon from Southern California, as a “hate-filled” individual with anti-religion and white supremacist leanings who had long struggled with mental health issues. He owned 14 weapons, all purchased legally. Harper-Mercer, 26, killled himself after exchanging gunfire with deputies.



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Photos of four slain Marines are placed at a makeshift memorial at a military recruiting center in Chattanooga (Joe Raedle / Getty Images)
A gunman opened fire on two military centers more than seven miles apart on Thursday, killing four Marines and a Navy sailor.

A man identified by federal authorities as Mohammod Youssuf Abdulazeez, 24, sprayed dozens of bullets at a military recruiting center, then drove to a Navy-Marine training facility and opened fire again before he was killed.

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Jessica Oliver leaves flowers on a memorial in front of the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church. (Getty Images)
Dylann Storm Roof is charged with nine counts of murder and three counts of attempted murder in an attack that killed nine people at a historic black church in Charleston, S.C.

Authorities say Roof, a suspected white supremacist, started firing on a group gathered at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church after first praying with them. He fled authorities before being arrested in North Carolina.

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People participate in a memorial in People's Park in remembrance of those who were killed and injured by Elliot Rodger in Isla Vista on May 23, 2014. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times)
Elliot Rodger, 22, meticulously planned his deadly attack on the Isla Vista community for more than a year, spending thousands of dollars in order to arm and train himself to kill as many people as possible, according to a report released by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Office. Rodger killed six people before shooting himself.

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Media wait outside Fort Hood for an official statement Wednesday. (Deborah Cannon / Austin American-Statesman/MCT)
A gunman at Fort Hood, the scene of a deadly 2009 rampage, kills three people and injures 16 others, according to military officials. The gunman is dead at the scene.

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Law enforcement personnel respond to an attack on office workers at Washington Navy Yard on September 16, 2013. (MCT)
Aaron Alexis, a Navy contractor and former Navy enlisted man, shoots and kills 12 people and engages police in a running firefight through the sprawling Washington Navy Yard. He is shot and killed by authorities.

Authorities later reveal that he had an extensive Navy disciplinary record that included several unauthorized absences from duty, instances of insubordination and disorderly conduct, one instance of being absent without leave, and several failed inspections. He was still able to get a security clearance and purchase a rifle.



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Santa Monica Police Sgt. Richard Lewis speaks about the replica weapons and zip guns found during a search of John Zawahri's house. (Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times)
John Zawahri, an unemployed 23-year-old, kills five people in an attack that starts at his father’s home and ends at Santa Monica College, where he is fatally shot by police in the school’s library.

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Responders gather at scene of a mass school shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. (Mario Tama / Getty Images)
A gunman forces his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. and shoots and kills 20 first graders and six adults. The shooter, Adam Lanza, 20, kills himself at the scene. Lanza also killed his mother at the home they shared, prior to his shooting rampage. In emotional remarks from the White House, President Obama wiped away tears. “Our hearts are broken today,” the president said.
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An Aurora Police Department detective takes a witness statement following a shooting Friday morning July 20, 2012. (AP)
James Holmes, 24, is taken into custody in the parking lot outside the Century 16 movie theater after a post-midnight attack in Aurora, Colo. Holmes allegedly entered the theater through an exit door about half an hour into the local premiere of “The Dark Knight Rises.” He faces charges of of killing 12 people and injuring 58 others.

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Maria Campomanes and her daughter Maelauni, 9, leave flowers for Oikos University victims outside of the school in Oakland, Calif., Wednesday, April 4, 2012. (Jeff Chiu / AP)
One L. Goh, 43, a former student at a Oikos University, a small Christian college, allegedly opens fire in the middle of a classroom leaving seven people dead and three wounded.

Goh was charged with seven counts of murder with special circumstances and three counts of attempted murder. In a jailhouse interview with a San Francisco TV station shortly after the shooting, Goh said he was “deeply sorry” for his actions.

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Mourners stop by to pay their respects at the door of Salon Meritage in Seal Beach on the morning after eight people were shot to death and a ninth wounded by suspected gunman Scott Dekraai October 13, 2011. (Mark Boster/Los Angeles Times)
Scott Dekraai, 41, apparently enraged over a custody dispute, allegedly walks into a crowded Seal Beach hair salon where his former wife works and opens fire. Eight people are killed, including a man sitting in a truck outside the salon. Another person is critically wounded. Dekraai has pleaded not guilty in the case.

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President Barack Obama and first lady Michelle Obama attend memorial service for the victims of Saturday's shootings, at McKale Center on the University of Arizona campus Wednesday, Jan. 12, 2011, in Tucson, Ariz. (J. Scott Applewhite / AP)
Jared Lee Loughner, 22, allegedly shoots Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in the head during a meet-and-greet with constituents at a Tucson supermarket. Six people are killed and 11 others wounded. Loughner is identified by witnesses as the gunman who fired at close range with semiautomatic pistol before being tackled.


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Sgt. First Class Noe Figueroa waits to get back on base outside Fort Hood's Clear Creek gate in Killeen, Texas on Thursday, Nov. 5, 2009, after a mass shooting on the base. (Jay Janner / AP)
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, allegedly shoots and kills 13 people and injures 32 others in a rampage at Ft. Hood, where he is based. Authorities allege that Hasan was exchanging emails with Muslim extremists including American-born radical Anwar Awlaki.

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Mourners pray with relatives of shooting victims Lan Ho and Long Huynh outside the American Civic Association on Sunday, April 5, 2009, in Binghamton, New York (Matt Rourke/AP)
Jiverly Voong, 41, shoots and kills 13 people and seriously wounds four others before apparently committing suicide at the American Civic Assn., an immigration services center, in Binghamton, N.Y.

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Image taken from a video aired by NBC News shows Virginia Tech gunman Seung-hui Cho (Associated Press Photo/NBC)
Seung-hui Cho, a 23-year-old Virginia Tech senior, opens fire on campus, killing 32 people in a dorm and an academic building in attacks more than two hours apart. Cho takes his life after the second incident.



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Doug Williams, 48, a production assemblyman for 19 years at Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., goes on a rampage at the defense plant, fatally shooting five and wounding nine before taking his own life with a shotgun.

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Charles Andrew Williams in court during his arraignment in San Diego County Superior Court in March 2001(Associated Press)
Santana High student Charles Andrew Williams, 15, fatally shoots two classmates and wounds 13 others on the campus. He is apprehended by police in the school bathroom, where his attack began. Williams is later sentenced to 50 years to life.

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Michael McDermott in Middlesex Superior Court in Cambridge, Mass. (John Blanding / Associated Press Photo)
Michael McDermott, a 42-year-old software tester shoots and kills seven co-workers at the Internet consulting firm where he is employed. McDermott, who is arrested at the offices of Edgewater Technology Inc., apparently was enraged because his salary was about to be garnished to satisfy tax claims by the Internal Revenue Service. He uses three weapons in his attack.

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Byran Uyesugi, a Xerox copier repairman, shoots and kills seven coworkers with a Glock 9-mm semiautomatic handgun as they gather for a meeting to discuss his light workload. Uyesugi is a former high school sharpshooter who legally owns 11 handguns, five rifles and two shotguns. He is later found guilty of seven counts of murder and one of attempted murder for shooting at a man who escaped. He is serving a life sentence without possibility of parole.

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Mark Orrin Barton, a 44-year-old chemist-turned-day trader, strolls into two investment offices and opens fire on fellow investors and office workers. The shootings at All-Tech Investment and Momentum Securities Inc., across the street from each other, leave nine people dead and 12 wounded. Barton eludes a manhunt for six hours before killing himself.




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Gian Luigi Ferri, 55, kills eight people in an office building in San Francisco’s financial district. His rampage begins in the 34th-floor offices of Pettit &Martin, an international law firm, and ends in a stairwell between the 29th and 30th floors where he encounters police and shoots himself.





Police officers gather outside Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas (Rick McFarland / Associated Press)
George Jo Hennard, 35, crashes his pickup truck into a Luby’s cafeteria crowded with lunchtime patrons and begins firing indiscriminately with a semiautomatic pistol, killing 22 people. Hennard is later found dead of a gunshot wound in a restaurant restroom.


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James Oliver Huberty, a 41-year-old out-of-work security guard, kills 21 employees and customers at a McDonald’s restaurant. Huberty is fatally shot by a police sniper perched on the roof of a nearby post office.
This doesn't prove anything, really.

Shall we then say that Pakistan should ban bombs for all its civilians because of the tens of thousands killed by suicide bombers and terrorists? Oh, wait, bombs were never allowed for anyone to carry in Pakistan to begin with. See what i'm getting at??

Criminals will always find a way to mass murder. 9/11 ring a bell? What about the recent paris shootings (charlie hebdo and the school shooting), that too despite Frances' gun restrictions.


Even if we were to consider your proposal of banning guns for civilians completely, there are still the thousands of illegal firearms that are smuggled into America through the Mexican border (despite the tight security there) and end up in the hands of criminal gangs all over the country, even in states where guns are very difficult to procure for the best of law abiding civilians like California and New York. Therefore the criminals will always have access to guns, while the average law abiding civilian will be disarmed.


The topic of discussion here in this thread is not my part of the world the topic at hands here is the shooting in the US and motivation behind such mass killing in the US. Surely the Islam, terrorism, Jehad has killed very very few inside the US whereas gun culture has led to more than 90% of this mass killing in the USA.

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You can post about Islam and our part of the world in some other thread I have no issue in discussing that without losing my temper unlike you who is running away from listening to facts
Most of the guns used in crimes within the US are illegal, smuggled from the Mexican border. So you want us to ban legal guns for law abiding citizens meanwhile a criminal will always have access to illegal guns from Mexico?

It's easy to pass judgements from afar when you know nothing about America and it's ground reality. If an individual is intent on harming someone he/she will acquire a weapon by any means, whether its legal or illegal.

A law abiding citizen on the other hand will lose his only avenue of acquiring firearms legally for self protection, thus exposing them to harm from the criminals.

BTW, if you want to compare statistics of what kills more Americans annually, its a combination of alcohol and cars. We should ban those before we ban anything, going by the logic of people here.

If not a legal gun, they will find illegal guns, preasure cookers, fertilizer, dynamite, cars, planes, boats, knives, nails, ball bearings - just about anything.
Thank you. This is a fact these self proclaimed gun law experts here seem to conveniently miss.
 
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Let me make it very clear again. This was not posted in the Indian Media or in any other media. It is claimed that this page existed but was taken down later. Please read my original post.
Several twitter and facebook posts have posted links to the page that was taken down. Like here:
https://www.facebook.com/sebastian.loewenherz/posts/1068761049859698

This could be all false but we don't know. Don't read between the lines.

lol @ "could be false"

The killer turned out to be son of pro-indian afghan , whose pet topic was the durrand line, we know who promotes that very well :P

Killer's dad busy in indian-sponsored activities , showing baluchistan to be part of Afghanistan
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Remember indian , we have got your monkey , kulbhushan jadhav , raw agent arrested from balochistan

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He is singing like a canary in our custody

How quickly the rat bridge went into action to associate him with Pakistan via a fake facebook page up was quite astounding

Makkari tum logon say sekhni chahiyay ;)
 
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Social media is abuzz with a FaceBook account where the bomber identifies himself as Pakistani. I suggest we wait until more information becomes available. This account was created in 2015 and is currently taken down. This could be a conspiracy but who knows. Mods may delete my post if it's in appropriate for this forum. I got this on watzapp.

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https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/4nr519/an_omar_mateen_from_orlando_fl_had_an_empty/

He is a US citizen with parents in Afghanistan, nothing to do with Pakistan. The guy was already on the watch list by the FBI since 2013. Pledged his allegiance to ISIS. You Indians never cease to amaze. I mean how low can your kind actually go to bad mouth Pakistan is beyond me.

Just to clear i know you are only sharing it but have a brain of your own. This is an Indian fart or mental masturbation and nothing more.
 
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If criminals always find a way to get guns, how come China's numerous terrorist attacks seldom involve firearms? Gun ban works, if you can enforce it. Gun ban in Orlando doesn't work when you can buy guns in Ft. Pierce and bring them to Orlando freely. Gun ban in France doesn't work when you can obtain guns elsewhere in the Schengen zone and bring them to Paris freely. Gun ban in Pakistan wouldn't work because the Pakistani government can neither enforce the ban in its own country nor stop the flow of arms from Afghanistan.

Gun ban is a necessary condition to stop stop such violence, but it's not a sufficient condition. The government needs to both be able to stop the proliferation within the country as well as to stop the flow from without. Otherwise, as others have said, it'll just result in innocent citizens not having guns while the criminals have all that they need.
 
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If criminals always find a way to get guns, how come China's numerous terrorist attacks seldom involve firearms? Gun ban works, if you can enforce it. Gun ban in Orlando doesn't work when you can buy guns in Ft. Pierce and bring them to Orlando freely. Gun ban in France doesn't work when you can obtain guns elsewhere in the Schengen zone and bring them to Paris freely. Gun ban in Pakistan wouldn't work because the Pakistani government can neither enforce the ban in its own country nor stop the flow of arms from Afghanistan.

Gun ban is a necessary condition to stop stop such violence, but it's not a sufficient condition. The government needs to both be able to stop the proliferation within the country as well as to stop the flow from without. Otherwise, as others have said, it'll just result in innocent citizens not having guns while the criminals have all that they need.

Way too late for a gun ban in America now, the chance of that happening is about 0%.

But they could probably avoid selling guns to people who've been on the FBI watch list for ISIS related concerns for over 5 years.

These shootings always seem to happen with legally purchased firearms. Since they don't intend to live through the attack, they have no incentive to get black market guns, since they don't care if the guns are traced.
 
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it's a deja vu, once again the media will start a mass "rainbow" campaign, and Anti Muslims campaigns .. , this is getting boring, and still no action will be taken concerning gun control . I predict more attacks in the future ....
 
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That's why i said (even i tiny bit).....for likening it. I'm not talking in the favor of extremist, for starters you may not support the gun laws.

Of course, nobody can expect you to change the system by yourself.
You avoided the double standards you gave, so I will remind the readers.

According to YOU...Since I share common beliefs with my fellow Americans, in particular the right to weapons, therefore any tragedy that involves guns, I must share some measure of guilt for that tragedy.

What is 'guilt':

- the fact of having committed a specified or implied offense or crime.
- make (someone) feel guilty, especially in order to induce them to do something.

I cannot feel 'guilty' about an act unless I have accepted responsibility for that act, be it %1 or %100 responsibility.

And yet, for YOU and your religion, YOU refused to put yourself under the same standard.

Actually no. I don't care if that man is a muslim or not. I'm not responsible for any other guy's actions.... be it sharing the same religion, race or country.

Source: https://defence.pk/threads/florida-...d-and-53-injured.434579/page-26#ixzz4BVAD4gqd
You and Omar Mateen (Orlando Pulse nightclub) have a common bond: The religion of Islam.

I and Tim McVeigh (Oklahoma bombing) have a common bond: 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution.

And yet, YOU claimed the right to refuse guilt by association but expect me to feel guilty for believing in my Constitutional right.

It's logical to go to root cause the deal with the problems. Not in these cases as you are dealing with illogical people. I gave different examples from the incidents of the past. All have different motives, that you will be able to fix. Yeah, take the method for mass killing from them. I don't think, you will be able to kill 50 person with a kitchen knife....maybe, you won't even consider because of the ineffectiveness of the act.
Even if Mateen wounded only ten people with a kitchen knife, the root cause is still important, and it is a convenient distraction that firearms were involved so that gullible people will refocus their attention on guns, the American insistent on our Constitution, and the American society in general.

You simply do not like the fact that your religion in as much influential to Omar Mateen as the US Constitution is influential to American thoughts. You have no problems attacking our root cause -- the US Constitution, but insists that Islam cannot be the root cause, or at least a major psychological influence, in this tragedy.

Let's say that US banned Islam, deported all of the Muslims, all of the Jihadists within US and there will be no other incidents related to jihad related extremism.

Can you say that mass shooting incidents will cease to exist in US ? I say otherwise.
No, mass shooting will not miraculously cease to exist, but at least we will not have to deal with one psychological influence.

If you can follow the conversation here, we are talking about the US gun laws and their impact on the mass killings. Not about on the terror acts.
He follows the conversation just fine.

YOU would prefers that the conversation stay away from psychology and religion and focus on the tools of the trade and not the mentality of the tradesman.

I and a few friends recently took some Chinese friends to go shooting in the hills on public lands. In one afternoon, each of the Chinese, including the women, were able to empty 12 rounds in my Steyr M40 in less than 10 seconds. At 50 meters, I can center mass all 12 rounds at one round per sec. Each of our Chinese friends have never shot before, and in one afternoon lesson, each can center mass all 12 rounds at 25 meters and less distance. They did it with calibers from 9mm to .45 cal. We joked that when they return to China, they will have more firearms experience than %99 of the Chinese population. In a crowd and when the people in this crowd is in close proximity to each other, like a nightclub/bar setting, an amateur can do the same damage with a pistol as he could with a semi-auto like an AR-15.

In 'mass shootings', the shooters chose that environment because...

- The targets are always unaware that they have become targets, hence they have not mentally conditioned themselves to respond to any threat in any way.

- Exits are few and with crowd mentality, the people will continue to present ideal shooting condition as they flee towards those exits.

A weapon like an AR-15 is more for the psychological effect on the shooter than it is for efficacy, meaning how many people can the shooter hit. An AR-15 make him feel more 'badass' than a pistol could, and because of the scary appearance of the weapon, the media and gullible people like you inevitably focus on the scary tool and 'gun laws' and less on everything else, including psychological influences like religion.

At the Sandy Hook school shooting, from a strict technical perspective, could Adam Lanza have killed those 20 children with just a pistol ? Absolutely. But because he used a much more scary looking weapon, naturally most people, especially those who do not understand firearms, turned their attention to that scary looking gun. If Adam Lanza can be proficient enough to use an AR-15, he can be proficient enough with a pistol.

Here is what you do not understand and the anti-gun commentators deceptively omitted: There is nothing about a semi-automatic rifle that would make a person learn to shoot faster than with a pistol.

In fact, it is the opposite. If you want to be a good shooter, the progression should be, from simplest to most difficult: revolver - pistol - rifle. That was how I learned to shoot and how the vast majority of law abiding US gun owners learned how to shoot. Despite what Hollywood portrays, a rifle, even a semi like the AR-15, requires double the physical efforts than a pistol to operate. It is easier to shoot accurately single handed with a pistol than with an AR-15.

So why do gunmen like Adam Lanza and Omar Mateen in their mass shootings used the AR-15 ? Purely for their own psychological needs and not out of technical needs. Psychology and environment are more of an impact in mass shooting than gun laws.
 
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