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You want me to post long reams of Islam inspired atrocities in your part of the world ?

The topic of discussion here in this thread is not my part of the world the topic at hands here is the shooting in the US and motivation behind such mass killing in the US. Surely the Islam, terrorism, Jehad has killed very very few inside the US whereas gun culture has led to more than 90% of this mass killing in the USA.

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You can post about Islam and our part of the world in some other thread I have no issue in discussing that without losing my temper unlike you who is running away from listening to facts
 
No one's saying to take all guns away, I'm not in favor of that. But if you can't see that there is a problem with how easy some one can purchase an assault rifle,...
Mateen did not have an assault rifle. Have you done even basic research on this ?
 
I'm not talking about the "law abiding US gun owners".....I'm talking about the crazy mofos who sprays their bullets over innocents....

Where i think you are implying that Jihadist causes motivated him...

And i'm saying motivation between attacks are not important in general....If you don't have Jihadists, you have kids who commits mass killings because he can't get laid, or like that guy who killed many people in the cinema while having no clear motive....

You will be never able to suppress the motives behind these killings because perpetrators are "crazy mofos" not law abiding citizens. You will be able to end mass shootings by banning guns.

But if banning guns is an "absurd idea"....than you will have to live with the fact that annually, tens of your innocent citizens will die because of the US gun laws.....and you may say "I don't care, thousands of people dying annually in US for natural or unnatural causes. What difference would it make if we lose just some more."

Like i said, your country your rules....i never said any different.
Guns shoukd not be banned but there should be restrictions on auto and semi auto rifles cant risk lives of innocent in post 9-11 world
 
Guns in the US: The statistics behind the violence
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Image copyrightREUTERS
Image captionThe US has approximately 300 million guns - nearly one for every member of the population


In his first weekly address of 2016, Barack Obama vowed to take executive action to increase background checks on gun buyers.

His announcement followed another bloody year in the US in which thousands were killed and tens of thousands wounded by gunfire.

Here's a look at some of the statistics behind the violence.

The statistics
Mass shootings: There were 372 mass shootings in the US in 2015, killing 475 people and wounding 1,870, according to the Mass Shooting Tracker, which catalogues such incidents. A mass shooting is defined as a single shooting incident which kills or injures four or more people, including the assailant.

Source: Mass Shooting Tracker

School shootings: There were 64 school shootings in 2015, according to a dedicated campaign group set up in the wake of the Sandy Hook elementary school massacre in Connecticut in 2012. Those figures include occasions when a gun was fired but no-one was hurt.

Source: Everytown for Gun SafetyResearch

All shootings: Some 13,286 people were killed in the US by firearms in 2015, according to the Gun Violence Archive, and 26,819 people were injured [those figures exclude suicide]. Those figures are likely to rise by several hundred, once incidents in the final week of the year are counted.

Source: Gun Violence Archive

How the US compares: The number of gun murders per capita in the US in 2012 - the most recent year for comparable statistics - was nearly 30 times that in the UK, at 2.9 per 100,000 compared with just 0.1.

Of all the murders in the US in 2012, 60% were by firearm compared with 31% in Canada, 18.2% in Australia, and just 10% in the UK.

Source: UNODC.

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The home front: So many people die annually from gunfire in the US that the death toll between 1968 and 2011 eclipses all wars ever fought by the country. According to research by Politifact, there were about 1.4 million firearm deaths in that period, compared with 1.2 million US deaths in every conflict from the War of Independence to Iraq.

Source: Politifact.

Total number of guns: No official figure exists but there are thought to be about 300 million in the US, held by about a third of the population. That is nearly enough guns for every man, woman and child in the country.

The NRA: The right to own guns is regarded by many as enshrined in the Second Amendment to the US Constitution, and fiercely defended by lobby groups such as the National Rifle Association, which boasted that its membership surged to around five million in the aftermath of the Sandy Hook school shooting.

Gun violence and terrorism: The US spends more than a trillion dollars per year defending itself against terrorism, which kills a tiny fraction of the number of people killed by ordinary gun crime.

According to figures from the US Department of Justice and the Council on Foreign Affairs, 11,385 people died on average annually in firearm incidents in the US between 2001 and 2011.

In the same period, an average of 517 people were killed annually in terror-related incidents. Removing 2001, when 9/11 occurred, from the calculation produces an annual average of just 31.

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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34996604
 
You admitted that you do not know how to tell if someone is 'crazy' to start.
Yeah, i don't know how to tell someone apart of being crazy or not.....and i don't know if physiologist, security forces, etc... will be able to do so ? Maybe they can, maybe they don't, i don't know.


You cannot take a right away from someone until he/she has proven incapable of and/or unwilling to be responsible with that right. If not a gun, then it will be with a car to rob a bank.
What basically you are saying is, "even if they don't have guns, they can find other methods to kill people"....you don't know that, you and i can't know if this incidents will cease to exist if guns are banned.

But i think both of us can agree, in such incidents casualty number won't be high as this one. We can be sure on that.


And you are wrong.

I do not think you are that stupid to believe that nonsense. After every crime, even petty pickpocket, the motivation is ALWAYS a part of the investigation. Motivation contributes to the severity of the punishment. You are smart enough to know that. Which means the reason you are positing this line of silliness is because you want to minimize the psychological and emotional aspects that your religion matters in this tragedy.

It ain't gonna work.

Actually no. I don't care if that man is a muslim or not. I'm not responsible for any other guy's actions.... be it sharing the same religion, race or country.

Let's allow me to give you two examples.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_shooting

^^^ What does it matters about these incident's motivation ? They had access to heavy weaponry and killed innocent people, like in this incident.
 
Easier to envisage safely sitting in a office chair or at home mate.. Not in a real life and death situation.. It's a night club full of people, Most people wouldn't have even known where the bullets were coming from

This was not a movie or a video game

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I heard he was ex security guard thats why he had easy access is it true?
 
Most likely a hate crime. RIP.

The way news is being shown Muslim in general will suffer from this Morons act. If they tag him with ISIS it will lead to more problems for Muslim population in US.

Trump has a trump card now, hope he dont use it
 
Mateen did not have an assault rifle. Have you done even basic research on this ?
He had an ar-15 semi-auto. The same gun thats been used in multiple mass shootings across america. But Excuse me if I don't understand fully what is truly considered an assault rifle.
 
What basically you are saying is, "even if they don't have guns, they can find other methods to kill people"....you don't know that, you and i can't know if this incidents will cease to exist if guns are banned.
Of course we know that.

If the motivation is powerful enough, a weapon more powerful than a handgun will be created. Why do you think IEDs became famous in Afghanistan and Iraq ? The resistance could not fight against tanks and jet fighters, but they were motivated nonetheless. They had to find alternatives and they did. The Boston Marathon is an example of the civilian side of that.

^^^ What does it matters about these incident's motivation ? They had access to heavy weaponry and killed innocent people, like in this incident.
If motivation does not matter, then you cannot argue about 'crazy' people getting their hands on guns. Being mentally ill -- in the clinical sense -- is a motivator for committing violence. That is why in every incident you cited, psychologists were called in to testify, for the government and for the media.
 
Our thoughts are with the victims’ friends and families during this extremely difficult time. Words cannot describe the barbaric and heinous nature of the crime. It is hard to imagine the pain and suffering of the loved ones. We sincerely hope and pray that they find the strength to remain strong. We are praying for the quick and full recovery of those who are injured. Condolences have poured in from across the world and everyone stands united against such acts of terror.

We repeat what President Obama said on the shootings: "We know enough to say this was an act of terror and an act of hate. This is a sobering reminder that attacks on any American, regardless of race, ethnicity, religion or sexual orientation is an attack on all of us and on the fundamental values of equality and dignity that define us as a country, and no act of hate or terror will ever change who we are or the values that make us Americans."

You can read the full text by clicking on the link below:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2016/06/12/president-obama-tragic-shooting-orlando

Ali Khan
Digital Engagement Team, USCENTCOM
 
He had an ar-15 semi-auto. The same gun thats been used in multiple mass shootings across america. But Excuse me if I don't understand fully what is truly considered an assault rifle.
An 'assault' rifle is a firearm that can fire multiple rounds with ONE trigger pull.

In the US, it is legal to own a fully automatic rifle, aka an 'assault' rifle, but the requirements are so strict that most gun owners, like myself, do not want the trouble. One of those requirements is that the government have the right to enter your home at its convenience, meaning any time of any day, and you have to agree to that if you want to own a fully automatic firearm.

If Mateen had two handguns, or even just one, it is perfectly feasible for him to kill just as many as he would a semi-auto AR-15. And yes, I do have an AR-15. A complete Noveske, considered among the upper half of the AR-15 world.
 
Mateen was not motivated to kill by looking at guns. Care to guess what motivated him ?

what motivated 2012 and 2007 and countless high school shootings ?
 
I heard he was ex security guard thats why he had easy access is it true?

As it is US gun laws are so lax any psycho can get his hands on a assault rifle, so i dont think his previous occupation has a bearing on it
 
what motivated 2012 and 2007 and countless high school shootings ?
Being emotionally unstable, for starter.

As it is US gun laws are so lax any psycho can get his hands on a assault rifle, so i dont think his previous occupation has a bearing on it
See post 386 about that 'assault' rifle nonsense.
 
Being emotionally unstable, for starter.


See post 386 about that 'assault' rifle nonsense.

Fine...So the method -- gun -- may make mass killing easier. But you are making a convenient distraction from the COMPANION issue to this tragedy: religion.

Specifically -- YOURS.

did someone bring their religion into it ? despite current case indicating clearly he was an emotionally disturbed person ?
 
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