Florida Pulse gay club attacked in Orlando - 50 dead and 53 injured

[Windjammer]

You can be sure that this tragedy is the topic of discussion amongst all walks of life.
A few interesting points i like to make out here.
Here in UK, you enter a club with even a knife but the culprit walked in with a handgun and an assault rifle.
There were reportedly around hundred people inside the Club, 50 were killed and 53 wounded, so most of those inside got hit. !!!.... so he must have fired off over a hundred rounds.
He was armed with a hand gun and semi automatic rifle meaning no sustained burst and had to be cocked after every round is fired and then there's also replacing the magazine.
One wonders how did he managed to do all this without any reaction from the victims. Couldn't some of them jumped him while he was replacing the magazines or even hit him with a beer bottle or something.
I don't mean to jump to any conclusions but isn't it possible that some of those killed or wounded is due to crossfire by law enforcement agencies. !!!

 

[Zulkarneyn]

The guy was a known lunatic,wasnt he?
They reported that authorities knew that he was a mental case,so how can such a guy be allowed to buy guns?

Yes he beat his wife, got angry after witnessing some gay men kissing publicly, and constantly talked about being tempted to kill people to his collagues. He was a typical nutcase who found justification via Wahhabi/ISIS ideology online

 

[gambit]

The guy was a known lunatic,wasnt he?
They reported that authorities knew that he was a mental case,so how can such a guy be allowed to buy guns?

Assume that Mateen was 'mental'. In order for one of his many Constitutional rights to be taken away, that mental condition must be documented and reported to the government.

Here in UK, you enter a club with even a knife but the culprit walked in with a handgun and an assault rifle.

I don't mean to jump to any conclusions...

You did jumped to at least one conclusion, that Mateen somehow walked into that nightclub openly carrying his weapons. But if I am going to speculate, he probably concealed his weapons. And please do not express surprise on how to conceal a rifle, a firearm larger than a handgun.

 

[T-123456]

We Turks should keep out of American politics. We may become their next target if they get too desperate for a new frontier. They will create millions of refugees with their adventures, this will help spread the extremist radical Wahhabi ideology after the vacuum craeted in these war torn countries. Some retards behind a screen with an iq below 70 in the West who can barely type words swallow the Wahhabi sh!t on the internet after witnessing America's unjust wars and spray his bullets at random targets.

Americans should be better at self-criticism. With this mentality you guys are going towards your own demise. Once you were the country of progress and scientific advancement. You are losing edge due to your adventures world wide orchestrated by retarded politicians bought by oligarchs- in fact America is an indirect oligrarchy today. The Bush administration demonstrated that

We are not their target?
What are they doing in Syria fighting with the Kurds against Turkish interests,the so called ''fighting ISIS'' bs is just a show?
Rethink the bold part.

Assume that Mateen was 'mental'. In order for one of his many Constitutional rights to be taken away, that mental condition must be documented and reported to the government.

It wasnt?

 

[-SINAN-]

Mateen was not motivated to kill by looking at guns. Care to guess what motivated him ?

You are talking about a single case. I'm talking in general.

First of all, I'm not blaming the guns...what i'm saying is, if you allow maniac people to access such weaponry, there will be always incidents like this.

Be it a Muslim.

Or, some kid who got angry because he can't get laid.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Isla_Vista_killings

Or by some people who doesn't have really a motive.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Aurora_shooting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre

I'm saying as long as citizens of US have full access to fire arms, this incidents will continue to happen.

 

[gambit]

We Turks should keep out of American politics.

Americans should be better at self-criticism. With this mentality you guys are going towards your own demise. Once you were the country of progress and scientific advancement. You are losing edge due to your adventures world wide orchestrated by retarded politicians bought by oligarchs- in fact America is an indirect oligrarchy today. The Bush administration demonstrated that

First you admonished your fellow Turks to stay out US politics, then you did exactly just that.

You are talking about a single case. I'm talking in general.

I am a gun owner. In general, law abiding US gun owners are not motivated just from looking at our guns.

 

[Zulkarneyn]

First you admonished your fellow Turks to stay out US politics, then you did exactly just that.

The intention was sarcasm the following demonstrated that i think?

 

[Spring Onion]

It is to US. The right to weapons is in our Constitution. If it is not in yours, that your prerogative. But as long as the right to weapons is philosophically guaranteed to US citizens, then your idea is absurd.

Mateen was not motivated to kill by looking at guns. Care to guess what motivated him ?

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For killing you need easy access to means of killing aka weapons of any kind.

If Few provisions in the constitution are harming the society then there is always a room to amend. Being Pakistani I do not have right to force you to change your constitution, however, looking at the firing incidents leading to killing many in the US specially in schools, I feel I am right to to air concern at growing gun culture in the USA.

 

[gambit]

For killing you need easy access to means aka weapons of any kind.

Fine...So the method -- gun -- may make mass killing easier. But you are making a convenient distraction from the COMPANION issue to this tragedy: religion.

Specifically -- YOURS.

 

[T-123456]

One wonders how did he managed to do all this without any reaction from the victims. Couldn't some of them jumped him while he was replacing the magazines or even hit him with a beer bottle or something.

Thats should be expected,at least some of them should have to save others.
Maybe its the culture(gay culture)?

 

[gambit]

The intention was sarcasm the following demonstrated that i think?

Good...Then we Americans are free to criticize Turkey in every way.

 

[iPhone]

It's not the gun laws. Stop blaming the guns for once. Gun's don't get up and start shooting people. It's criminals who do that. This guy and his family had a history of sympathizing with militant extremist organizations but authorities failed to act because they didn't want to prosecute a Muslim who said a couple of homophobic hateful things. Look at France and Belgium, those countries have very tough gun laws yet terrorists managed to get their hands on full auto assault rifles and explosives.

If you think law abiding American citizens are going to surrender their Constitutional right to own firearms just because some Muslim from the Middle East couldn't control his urge to become a terrorist then you're in for a surprise. It's more likely that American Muslims will be viewed with even more suspicion now and slowly stripped of their certain constitutional rights. Don't expect rest of America to suffer just because Muslims can't get their act straight.

Ok, the aurora movie theater shooting, the Sandy hook school shooting, etc were the shooters muslims? Youre acting like every mass shooting in the US has been done by a radicalised muslim.

Can we at least take a take a look at the gun laws and make sure people with mental illnesses, criminal background and terror supporting backgrounds aren't able to purchase semi auto rifles. What's wrong with thay? I don't understand what's the harm in reviewing some of the gun laws for the public safety.

 

[gambit]

One wonders how did he managed to do all this without any reaction from the victims. Couldn't some of them jumped him while he was replacing the magazines or even hit him with a beer bottle or something.

Yeah...And am sure you would be able to keep your wits with you in the panic. Blaming the victims...How typical...

 

[-SINAN-]

I am a gun owner. In general, law abiding US gun owners are not motivated just from looking at our guns.

I'm not talking about the "law abiding US gun owners".....I'm talking about the crazy mofos who sprays their bullets over innocents....

Mateen was not motivated to kill by looking at guns. Care to guess what motivated him ?

Where i think you are implying that Jihadist causes motivated him...

And i'm saying motivation between attacks are not important in general....If you don't have Jihadists, you have kids who commits mass killings because he can't get laid, or like that guy who killed many people in the cinema while having no clear motive....

You will be never able to suppress the motives behind these killings because perpetrators are "crazy mofos" not law abiding citizens. You will be able to end mass shootings by banning guns.

But if banning guns is an "absurd idea"....than you will have to live with the fact that annually, tens of your innocent citizens will die because of the US gun laws.....and you may say "I don't care, thousands of people dying annually in US for natural or unnatural causes. What difference would it make if we lose just some more."

Like i said, your country your rules....i never said any different.

 

[gambit]

Ok, the aurora movie theater shooting, the Sandy hook school shooting, etc were the shooters muslims? Youre acting like every mass shooting in the US has been done by a radicalised muslim.

Can we at least take a take a look at the gun laws and make sure people with mental illnesses, criminal background and terror supporting backgrounds aren't able to purchase semi auto rifles. What's wrong with thay? I don't understand what's the harm in reviewing some of the gun laws for the public safety.

Fine...So let us take all guns away.

Now what is to prevent a radicalized Muslim from making a home brewed IED, like the ones in the Boston Marathon ?