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Florida Pulse gay club attacked in Orlando - 50 dead and 53 injured

too many people here trying to obfuscate the real issue, it is not gun rights, nor is this about mental health

it is the ideology of jihad and radical Islam that has penetrated into some sections of American muslims, and to combat it effectively they need to stop being so politically correct, monitor what they are teaching in the madrassas and what the imams are preaching, and start throwing dangerous people into Guantanamo.

 
Yes he beat his wife, got angry after witnessing some gay men kissing publicly, and constantly talked about being tempted to kill people to his collagues. He was a typical nutcase who found justification via Wahhabi/ISIS ideology online


And yet his father thought he was "normal" when they last met. No wonder the dad claims to have no idea his was radicalized. That is where the roots lie.
 
You did jumped to at least one conclusion, that Mateen somehow walked into that nightclub openly carrying his weapons. But if I am going to speculate, he probably concealed his weapons. And please do not express surprise on how to conceal a rifle, a firearm larger than a handgun.

Sir, perhaps i didn't make myself clear, what i meant was, here in UK, you are searched before entering a nightspot, even ladies handbags are checked. I assumed, in America which was the victim of 9/11. they would be even more conscious.
 
You can be sure that this tragedy is the topic of discussion amongst all walks of life.
A few interesting points i like to make out here.
Here in UK, you enter a club with even a knife but the culprit walked in with a handgun and an assault rifle.
There were reportedly around hundred people inside the Club, 50 were killed and 53 wounded, so most of those inside got hit. !!!.... so he must have fired off over a hundred rounds.
He was armed with a hand gun and semi automatic rifle meaning no sustained burst and had to be cocked after every round is fired and then there's also replacing the magazine.
One wonders how did he managed to do all this without any reaction from the victims. Couldn't some of them jumped him while he was replacing the magazines or even hit him with a beer bottle or something.
I don't mean to jump to any conclusions but isn't it possible that some of those killed or wounded is due to crossfire by law enforcement agencies. !!!
He didn't just walk into the club with an assault rifle, there was an exchange of fire outside the club with a cop or a security guard whom it seems he overcame and then walked in. Investigation is pending.

I did raise the point that how one person single handedly was able to inflict this much carnage. The clubs are normally packed to maximum capacity so, it wouldn't be too hard looking for targets to shoot. AL though it is a possibility some victims got caught up in the exchange of fire between law enforcement and him.
 
I'm not talking about the "law abiding US gun owners".....I'm talking about the crazy mofos who sprays their bullets over innocents....
You admitted that you do not know how to tell if someone is 'crazy' to start. You cannot take a right away from someone until he/she has proven incapable of and/or unwilling to be responsible with that right. If not a gun, then it will be with a car to rob a bank.

And i'm saying motivation between attacks are not important in general....
And you are wrong.

I do not think you are that stupid to believe that nonsense. After every crime, even petty pickpocket, the motivation is ALWAYS a part of the investigation. Motivation contributes to the severity of the punishment. You are smart enough to know that. Which means the reason you are positing this line of silliness is because you want to minimize the psychological and emotional aspects that your religion matters in this tragedy.

It ain't gonna work.
 
Fine...So the method -- gun -- may make mass killing easier. But you are making a convenient distraction from the COMPANION issue to this tragedy: religion.

Specifically -- YOURS.

How can you say that ? only for a minute even if we consider your allegation how can you explain the following mass shooting in the US what has motivated them?


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Deadliest U.S. mass shootings, 1984-2016
By LOS ANGELES TIMES STAFF

JUNE 12, 2016 8:50 A.M.

Here are some of the most notable mass shootings in the U.S. in recent decades.

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(David Zalubowski / Associated Press)
A gunman entered a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, Colo., and started firing. Police named Robert Lewis Dear as the suspect in the attacks. Three people were killed — university police Officer Garrett Swasey, Iraq war veteran Ke’Arre M. Stewart and Jennifer Markovsky, who had accompanied friends to the clinic. Each was the parent of two children.

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(Rich Pedroncelli / Associated Press)
Christopher Sean Harper-Mercer shot and killed eight fellow students and a teacher at Umpqua Community College. Authorities described Harper-Mercer, who recently had moved to Oregon from Southern California, as a “hate-filled” individual with anti-religion and white supremacist leanings who had long struggled with mental health issues. He owned 14 weapons, all purchased legally. Harper-Mercer, 26, killled himself after exchanging gunfire with deputies.



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Photos of four slain Marines are placed at a makeshift memorial at a military recruiting center in Chattanooga (Joe Raedle / Getty Images)
A gunman opened fire on two military centers more than seven miles apart on Thursday, killing four Marines and a Navy sailor.

A man identified by federal authorities as Mohammod Youssuf Abdulazeez, 24, sprayed dozens of bullets at a military recruiting center, then drove to a Navy-Marine training facility and opened fire again before he was killed.

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Jessica Oliver leaves flowers on a memorial in front of the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church. (Getty Images)
Dylann Storm Roof is charged with nine counts of murder and three counts of attempted murder in an attack that killed nine people at a historic black church in Charleston, S.C.

Authorities say Roof, a suspected white supremacist, started firing on a group gathered at Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church after first praying with them. He fled authorities before being arrested in North Carolina.

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People participate in a memorial in People's Park in remembrance of those who were killed and injured by Elliot Rodger in Isla Vista on May 23, 2014. (Genaro Molina / Los Angeles Times)
Elliot Rodger, 22, meticulously planned his deadly attack on the Isla Vista community for more than a year, spending thousands of dollars in order to arm and train himself to kill as many people as possible, according to a report released by the Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Office. Rodger killed six people before shooting himself.

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Media wait outside Fort Hood for an official statement Wednesday. (Deborah Cannon / Austin American-Statesman/MCT)
A gunman at Fort Hood, the scene of a deadly 2009 rampage, kills three people and injures 16 others, according to military officials. The gunman is dead at the scene.

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Law enforcement personnel respond to an attack on office workers at Washington Navy Yard on September 16, 2013. (MCT)
Aaron Alexis, a Navy contractor and former Navy enlisted man, shoots and kills 12 people and engages police in a running firefight through the sprawling Washington Navy Yard. He is shot and killed by authorities.

Authorities later reveal that he had an extensive Navy disciplinary record that included several unauthorized absences from duty, instances of insubordination and disorderly conduct, one instance of being absent without leave, and several failed inspections. He was still able to get a security clearance and purchase a rifle.



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Santa Monica Police Sgt. Richard Lewis speaks about the replica weapons and zip guns found during a search of John Zawahri's house. (Allen J. Schaben / Los Angeles Times)
John Zawahri, an unemployed 23-year-old, kills five people in an attack that starts at his father’s home and ends at Santa Monica College, where he is fatally shot by police in the school’s library.

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Responders gather at scene of a mass school shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School. (Mario Tama / Getty Images)
A gunman forces his way into Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn. and shoots and kills 20 first graders and six adults. The shooter, Adam Lanza, 20, kills himself at the scene. Lanza also killed his mother at the home they shared, prior to his shooting rampage. In emotional remarks from the White House, President Obama wiped away tears. “Our hearts are broken today,” the president said.
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An Aurora Police Department detective takes a witness statement following a shooting Friday morning July 20, 2012. (AP)
James Holmes, 24, is taken into custody in the parking lot outside the Century 16 movie theater after a post-midnight attack in Aurora, Colo. Holmes allegedly entered the theater through an exit door about half an hour into the local premiere of “The Dark Knight Rises.” He faces charges of of killing 12 people and injuring 58 others.

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Maria Campomanes and her daughter Maelauni, 9, leave flowers for Oikos University victims outside of the school in Oakland, Calif., Wednesday, April 4, 2012. (Jeff Chiu / AP)
One L. Goh, 43, a former student at a Oikos University, a small Christian college, allegedly opens fire in the middle of a classroom leaving seven people dead and three wounded.

Goh was charged with seven counts of murder with special circumstances and three counts of attempted murder. In a jailhouse interview with a San Francisco TV station shortly after the shooting, Goh said he was “deeply sorry” for his actions.

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Mourners stop by to pay their respects at the door of Salon Meritage in Seal Beach on the morning after eight people were shot to death and a ninth wounded by suspected gunman Scott Dekraai October 13, 2011. (Mark Boster/Los Angeles Times)
Scott Dekraai, 41, apparently enraged over a custody dispute, allegedly walks into a crowded Seal Beach hair salon where his former wife works and opens fire. Eight people are killed, including a man sitting in a truck outside the salon. Another person is critically wounded. Dekraai has pleaded not guilty in the case.

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President Barack Obama and first lady Michelle Obama attend memorial service for the victims of Saturday's shootings, at McKale Center on the University of Arizona campus Wednesday, Jan. 12, 2011, in Tucson, Ariz. (J. Scott Applewhite / AP)
Jared Lee Loughner, 22, allegedly shoots Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords in the head during a meet-and-greet with constituents at a Tucson supermarket. Six people are killed and 11 others wounded. Loughner is identified by witnesses as the gunman who fired at close range with semiautomatic pistol before being tackled.


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Sgt. First Class Noe Figueroa waits to get back on base outside Fort Hood's Clear Creek gate in Killeen, Texas on Thursday, Nov. 5, 2009, after a mass shooting on the base. (Jay Janner / AP)
Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, allegedly shoots and kills 13 people and injures 32 others in a rampage at Ft. Hood, where he is based. Authorities allege that Hasan was exchanging emails with Muslim extremists including American-born radical Anwar Awlaki.

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Mourners pray with relatives of shooting victims Lan Ho and Long Huynh outside the American Civic Association on Sunday, April 5, 2009, in Binghamton, New York (Matt Rourke/AP)
Jiverly Voong, 41, shoots and kills 13 people and seriously wounds four others before apparently committing suicide at the American Civic Assn., an immigration services center, in Binghamton, N.Y.

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Image taken from a video aired by NBC News shows Virginia Tech gunman Seung-hui Cho (Associated Press Photo/NBC)
Seung-hui Cho, a 23-year-old Virginia Tech senior, opens fire on campus, killing 32 people in a dorm and an academic building in attacks more than two hours apart. Cho takes his life after the second incident.



Doug Williams in an undated photo (Lauderdale County Sheriff's Office)
Doug Williams, 48, a production assemblyman for 19 years at Lockheed Martin Aeronautics Co., goes on a rampage at the defense plant, fatally shooting five and wounding nine before taking his own life with a shotgun.

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Charles Andrew Williams in court during his arraignment in San Diego County Superior Court in March 2001(Associated Press)
Santana High student Charles Andrew Williams, 15, fatally shoots two classmates and wounds 13 others on the campus. He is apprehended by police in the school bathroom, where his attack began. Williams is later sentenced to 50 years to life.

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Michael McDermott in Middlesex Superior Court in Cambridge, Mass. (John Blanding / Associated Press Photo)
Michael McDermott, a 42-year-old software tester shoots and kills seven co-workers at the Internet consulting firm where he is employed. McDermott, who is arrested at the offices of Edgewater Technology Inc., apparently was enraged because his salary was about to be garnished to satisfy tax claims by the Internal Revenue Service. He uses three weapons in his attack.

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(George F. Lee / AFP Photo)
Byran Uyesugi, a Xerox copier repairman, shoots and kills seven coworkers with a Glock 9-mm semiautomatic handgun as they gather for a meeting to discuss his light workload. Uyesugi is a former high school sharpshooter who legally owns 11 handguns, five rifles and two shotguns. He is later found guilty of seven counts of murder and one of attempted murder for shooting at a man who escaped. He is serving a life sentence without possibility of parole.

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Mark O. Barton (Associated Press)
Mark Orrin Barton, a 44-year-old chemist-turned-day trader, strolls into two investment offices and opens fire on fellow investors and office workers. The shootings at All-Tech Investment and Momentum Securities Inc., across the street from each other, leave nine people dead and 12 wounded. Barton eludes a manhunt for six hours before killing himself.




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Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, students at Columbine High, open fire at the school, killing a dozen students and a teacher and causing injury to two dozen others before taking their own lives.

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(AP Photo/Marin Independent Journal)
Gian Luigi Ferri, 55, kills eight people in an office building in San Francisco’s financial district. His rampage begins in the 34th-floor offices of Pettit &Martin, an international law firm, and ends in a stairwell between the 29th and 30th floors where he encounters police and shoots himself.





Police officers gather outside Luby's Cafeteria in Killeen, Texas (Rick McFarland / Associated Press)
George Jo Hennard, 35, crashes his pickup truck into a Luby’s cafeteria crowded with lunchtime patrons and begins firing indiscriminately with a semiautomatic pistol, killing 22 people. Hennard is later found dead of a gunshot wound in a restaurant restroom.


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21 killed, 19 wounded: San Ysidro, Calif.
James Oliver Huberty, a 41-year-old out-of-work security guard, kills 21 employees and customers at a McDonald’s restaurant. Huberty is fatally shot by a police sniper perched on the roof of a nearby post office.
 
too many people here trying to obfuscate the real issue, it is not gun rights, nor is this about mental health

it is the ideology of jihad and radical Islam that has penetrated into some sections of American muslims, and to combat it effectively they need to stop being so politically correct, monitor what they are teaching in the madrassas and what the imams are preaching, and start throwing dangerous people into Guantanamo.

They invited this guy to speak.

Bush and his fellow neocons were motivated by oil and money to invade Iraq. But the idea that Islam plays a factor in this tragedy...??? No...:rolleyes:
 
Yeah...And am sure you would be able to keep your wits with you in the panic. Blaming the victims...How typical...:sick:
I'm not blaming the victims, they were the ones facing a life and death situation, it's just a human instinct, we heard of stories where passengers overpower hijackers.....no offence to the victims.
 
How can you say that ? only for a minute even if we consider your allegation how can you explain the following mass shooting in the US what has motivated them?
You want me to post long reams of Islam inspired atrocities in your part of the world ?
 
Yeah...And am sure you would be able to keep your wits with you in the panic. Blaming the victims...How typical...:sick:
Come on man,in every such situation,there is at least one who can keep his cool and act in some way.
Out of 300 not even one?
 
I'm not blaming the victims, they were the ones facing a life and death situation, it's just a human instinct, we heard of stories where passengers overpower hijackers.....no offence to the victims.
Yes, you are obliquely blaming the victims. Just like the rest who made guns the main issue.

As for your feeble defense about overpowering the hijackers, that is a recent development. What the hey...Not only are these homosexuals, they are infidels as well. So of course, they deserve to die. You are too chickenshit to admit it.
 
It's not the gun laws. Stop blaming the guns for once. Gun's don't get up and start shooting people. It's criminals who do that. This guy and his family had a history of sympathizing with militant extremist organizations but authorities failed to act because they didn't want to prosecute a Muslim who said a couple of homophobic hateful things. Look at France and Belgium, those countries have very tough gun laws yet terrorists managed to get their hands on full auto assault rifles and explosives.

If you think law abiding American citizens are going to surrender their Constitutional right to own firearms just because some Muslim from the Middle East couldn't control his urge to become a terrorist then you're in for a surprise. It's more likely that American Muslims will be viewed with even more suspicion now and slowly stripped of their certain constitutional rights. Don't expect rest of America to suffer just because Muslims can't get their act straight.
Both France and Belgium have a lower murser rate and have less mass shootings than US
 
Come on man,in every such situation,there is at least one who can keep his cool and act in some way.
Yeah...And am sure you are speaking from yrs of extensive personal experience in law enforcement, hostage situations, and SWAT. In video games, I presume ?
 
Fine...So let us take all guns away.

Now what is to prevent a radicalized Muslim from making a home brewed IED, like the ones in the Boston Marathon ?

Look, you're mind today is set on just one thing, radical islam. So, whatever I say or anyone says you'll come back with a, what if or a what about. This doesn't solve anything.

No one's saying to take all guns away, I'm not in favor of that. But if you can't see that there is a problem with how easy some one can purchase an assault rifle, someone like this individual who had been interviewed by the FBI three times, some one with mental disorder or a vast criminal background, then there are more mass shootings to come.

And next time it might not be a Muslim guy to pin the blame on but another white lone wolf, mentally ill type. It's not stopping.
 
Come on man,in every such situation,there is at least one who can keep his cool and act in some way.
Out of 300 not even one?

Easier to envisage safely sitting in a office chair or at home mate.. Not in a real life and death situation.. It's a night club full of people, Most people wouldn't have even known where the bullets were coming from

This was not a movie or a video game

As for the ridiculous gun laws in the US.. People who say it's they're constitutional right is as backward as a jihadist that thought it's his divine right to massacre homosexuals

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