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By the way bro, even though I'm not Muslim I still respect you as a person and treat just like everyone else. I hope you and others look into my arguments, you really need to have critical thinking to approach this. Now what religion will also do, is make some Muslims think God will do his part and solve social issues, he won't. What's happening now is worrying the general mainstream in the US, but also around the world. Media is worried, because they think Trump is white nationalist who will do harm to Muslims, Jews and other minorities. Hence this incident is actually worrying them, they don't want huge backlash, because it will benefit him, but also they believe it will lead to a smooth ride into 'fascism' and disorder that could cause trembles across the world. And you don't want to rely on a God in that case. It will not go well.
I'm not talking about Muslims only, I'm speaking of all three groups. And not about 'mercenaries' or anything. You don't need to kill anyone to hate anyone. Christians, Jews and Muslims don't need to kill each other, but they still hold ill feelings towards each other, besides the younger very secular ones that are enjoying life.
Is this a joke? First thing you need to do, read the Story of Lot in the Quran, if that doesn't make it clear, then we will move on to Hadith. Here is the story first(I'm not singling out Muslims, all Abrahamic religions endorse this but they are in denial):
“And (remember) Loot (Lot), when he said to his people: ‘Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the ‘Aalameen (mankind and jinn)?
81. ‘Verily, you practise your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds (by committing great sins).’
82. And the answer of his people was only that they said: ‘Drive them out of your town, these are indeed men who want to be pure (from sins)!’
83. Then We saved him and his family, except his wife; she was of those who remained behind (in the torment).
84. And We rained down on them a rain (of stones). Then see what was the end of the Mujrimoon (criminals, polytheists and sinners)”
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If God himself mass executed this gay tribe, I'm not sure what more evidence do Christians, Jews and Muslims need. Or was that an isolated incident or metaphorical? To say the Abrahamic God isn't pro-gay, is an understatement, to say the least.
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[al-A’raaf 7:80-84]
al-Tirmidhi (1456), Abu Dawood (4462)and Ibn Maajah (2561) narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.
Ahmad (2915) narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “May Allaah curse the one who does the action of the people of Loot, may Allaah curse the one who does the action of the people of Loot,” three times. This was classed as hasan by Shu’ayb al-Arna’oot in Tahqeeq al-Musnad.
The Sahaabah were unanimously agreed on the execution of homosexuals, but they differed as to how they were to be executed. Some of them were of the view that they should be burned with fire, which was the view of ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) and also of Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him), as we shall see below. And some of them thought that they should be thrown down from a high place then have stones thrown at them. This was the view of Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him).
Some of them thought that they should be stoned to death, which was narrated from both ‘Ali and Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with them).
After the Sahaabah, the fuqaha’ differed concerning the matter. Some of them said that the homosexual should be executed no matter what his situation, whether he is married or not.
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https://islamqa.info/en/38622
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I don't see why I need to keep referencing evidence to someone who claims to be a practicing Muslim, and should know what his Islamic Law consist of. Either you know too little, or you do the 'logical route' I explained in my earlier posts that Christians and Jews also resort to.
This shouldn't even be an argument, by the way, Islam originated in Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabians are home to the schools of thought, which have already established everything about the religion. You don't know better than them, you can try making it something you want to, but that's not what Abrahamic religion is meant for. It's a full package given to humans by means of a messenger that is not to be altered and contains all guidelines for society.
By the way bro, even though I'm not Muslim I still respect you as a person and treat just like everyone else. I hope you and others look into my arguments, you really need to have critical thinking to approach this. Now what religion will also do, is make some Muslims think God will do his part and solve social issues, he won't. What's happening now is worrying the general mainstream in the US, but also around the world. Media is worried, because they think Trump is white nationalist who will do harm to Muslims, Jews and other minorities. Hence this incident is actually worrying them, they don't want huge backlash, because it will benefit him, but also they believe it will lead to a smooth ride into 'fascism' and disorder that could cause trembles across the world. And you don't want to rely on a God in that case. It will not go well.
Who says you need religion to hate? The only reason it is more prominent is because of external funding from outside elements to mercenaries that randomly yell Allah hu Akbar. After a while the people will just kill each other for revenge. It's called divide and rule. Same thing that's trying to succeed in Pakistan.
I'm not talking about Muslims only, I'm speaking of all three groups. And not about 'mercenaries' or anything. You don't need to kill anyone to hate anyone. Christians, Jews and Muslims don't need to kill each other, but they still hold ill feelings towards each other, besides the younger very secular ones that are enjoying life.
Again, your entire post has YET to provide proof for your claim. Your eloquent rant aside, WHERE IS THE QUOTED REFERENCE OR THE LIKE. I am not here to defend the bible since that is the job of the Christian, I asked you for a reference which you so far have avoided and instead are on a needless tirade to fill up a post with meaningless words.
Find the reference for your claim, or Ill keep your tirade off this thread.
Is this a joke? First thing you need to do, read the Story of Lot in the Quran, if that doesn't make it clear, then we will move on to Hadith. Here is the story first(I'm not singling out Muslims, all Abrahamic religions endorse this but they are in denial):
“And (remember) Loot (Lot), when he said to his people: ‘Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the ‘Aalameen (mankind and jinn)?
81. ‘Verily, you practise your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds (by committing great sins).’
82. And the answer of his people was only that they said: ‘Drive them out of your town, these are indeed men who want to be pure (from sins)!’
83. Then We saved him and his family, except his wife; she was of those who remained behind (in the torment).
84. And We rained down on them a rain (of stones). Then see what was the end of the Mujrimoon (criminals, polytheists and sinners)”
....
If God himself mass executed this gay tribe, I'm not sure what more evidence do Christians, Jews and Muslims need. Or was that an isolated incident or metaphorical? To say the Abrahamic God isn't pro-gay, is an understatement, to say the least.
....
[al-A’raaf 7:80-84]
al-Tirmidhi (1456), Abu Dawood (4462)and Ibn Maajah (2561) narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever you find doing the action of the people of Loot, execute the one who does it and the one to whom it is done.”. Classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.
Ahmad (2915) narrated from Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “May Allaah curse the one who does the action of the people of Loot, may Allaah curse the one who does the action of the people of Loot,” three times. This was classed as hasan by Shu’ayb al-Arna’oot in Tahqeeq al-Musnad.
The Sahaabah were unanimously agreed on the execution of homosexuals, but they differed as to how they were to be executed. Some of them were of the view that they should be burned with fire, which was the view of ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) and also of Abu Bakr (may Allaah be pleased with him), as we shall see below. And some of them thought that they should be thrown down from a high place then have stones thrown at them. This was the view of Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him).
Some of them thought that they should be stoned to death, which was narrated from both ‘Ali and Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with them).
After the Sahaabah, the fuqaha’ differed concerning the matter. Some of them said that the homosexual should be executed no matter what his situation, whether he is married or not.
.............
https://islamqa.info/en/38622
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....
I don't see why I need to keep referencing evidence to someone who claims to be a practicing Muslim, and should know what his Islamic Law consist of. Either you know too little, or you do the 'logical route' I explained in my earlier posts that Christians and Jews also resort to.
This shouldn't even be an argument, by the way, Islam originated in Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabians are home to the schools of thought, which have already established everything about the religion. You don't know better than them, you can try making it something you want to, but that's not what Abrahamic religion is meant for. It's a full package given to humans by means of a messenger that is not to be altered and contains all guidelines for society.
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