First upgraded ATR 72 MPA to enter Navy service this year

[Gryphon]

Meanwhile, the Pakistan Navy (PN) is flying seven P-3C-PUP (Pakistan Upgrade Programme) Orions from the navy’s Mehran airbase just outside Karachi. They can be armed with the Boeing AGM-84H SLAM-ER (Standoff Land Attack Missile – Extended Response) satellite/infrared guided air-to-surface missile. Like its Indian counterparts, the Pakistan Navy’s MPA are on the lookout for submarines, chiefly Indian ones, but also perform overland reconnaissance missions supporting Pakistan Army counter-insurgency operations in the Federally Administered Tribal Area region of northeast Pakistan. The PN has also acquired three second-hand ATR 72 turboprop transports, and after several years of operations as utility aircraft the PN has contracted Rheinland Air Services in Germany to upgrade two of them to the MPA role. They will be modified with a Leonardo Seaspray-7300 X-band airborne surveillance radar integrated into Aerodata AG’s Aerodata mission system, by Rheinland Air Service at Monchengladbach, in Germany, and being configured for the ASW role with torpedoes and depth charges. Marshal Aerospace based in Cambridge in eastern England has been contracted to do the design work on the aircraft. The first one is expected to enter service later this year.

There are seven P-3C Orions serving the Pakistan Navy for operations over sea and over land. (Alan Warnes)

Both will be a welcome addition to the Pakistan Navy’s aviation fleet, which is still recovering from the loss of the two P-3Cs in May 2011, when insurgents attacked the Mehran airbase. The Pakistan Navy’s Commander Imran Qureshi told me in 2014, “the PN has to cover some 86000 square nautical miles (295,000 square kilometres) of the Indian Ocean.” This area of water includes the country’s EEZ. Pakistan’s waters are strategically important because as Cdr. Qureshi told the author “20 percent of the world’s petroleum passes through the Strait of Hormuz to the west of the Gulf of Oman every year.”

Troubled Waters
By Alan Warnes - August 28, 2017

 

[Blue Marlin]

Meanwhile, the Pakistan Navy (PN) is flying seven P-3C-PUP (Pakistan Upgrade Programme) Orions from the navy’s Mehran airbase just outside Karachi. They can be armed with the Boeing AGM-84H SLAM-ER (Standoff Land Attack Missile – Extended Response) satellite/infrared guided air-to-surface missile. Like its Indian counterparts, the Pakistan Navy’s MPA are on the lookout for submarines, chiefly Indian ones, but also perform overland reconnaissance missions supporting Pakistan Army counter-insurgency operations in the Federally Administered Tribal Area region of northeast Pakistan. The PN has also acquired three second-hand ATR 72 turboprop transports, and after several years of operations as utility aircraft the PN has contracted Rheinland Air Services in Germany to upgrade two of them to the MPA role. They will be modified with a Leonardo Seaspray-7300 X-band airborne surveillance radar integrated into Aerodata AG’s Aerodata mission system, by Rheinland Air Service at Monchengladbach, in Germany, and being configured for the ASW role with torpedoes and depth charges. Marshal Aerospace based in Cambridge in eastern England has been contracted to do the design work on the aircraft. The first one is expected to enter service later this year.

There are seven P-3C Orions serving the Pakistan Navy for operations over sea and over land. (Alan Warnes)

Both will be a welcome addition to the Pakistan Navy’s aviation fleet, which is still recovering from the loss of the two P-3Cs in May 2011, when insurgents attacked the Mehran airbase. The Pakistan Navy’s Commander Imran Qureshi told me in 2014, “the PN has to cover some 86000 square nautical miles (295,000 square kilometres) of the Indian Ocean.” This area of water includes the country’s EEZ. Pakistan’s waters are strategically important because as Cdr. Qureshi told the author “20 percent of the world’s petroleum passes through the Strait of Hormuz to the west of the Gulf of Oman every year.”

Troubled Waters
By Alan Warnes - August 28, 2017

quiet surprised there not going for the 7500 sea spray radar

 

[Gryphon]

quiet surprised there not going for the 7500 sea spray radar

Seaspray 7300E is also used by Italian ATR 72MP.


Inside the ATR 72MP

The basic configuration includes first of all the Seaspray 7300E, active electronic scanned array multimode radar by Leonardo’s Airborne and Space Systems Division, capable of long range detection, monitoring and identifying targets, covering 360°. The radar is optimised to perform operations against sea-surface targets, providing excellent tracking and simultaneous scanning capabilities. It also has air-to-air, and weather modes and the so-called "Moving Target Indicator" capability, which allows land monitoring as well.



Real time mapping of large areas is possible and so are snapshots of medium-sized fixed targets, such as buildings, with the "Synthetic Aperture Radar" mode, while the "Inverse Synthetic Aperture Radar" mode is used to obtain profiles of naval targets. To support targets identification, a friend or foe interrogator and/or an automatic target classifier can optionally be coupled with the radar.

http://www.leonardocompany.com/en/-/atr72mp

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

This is a good overview of the structural modifications Rheinland Air Service is doing to the ATR-72s.

http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/staedte...hafen-grossauftrag-aus-pakistan-aid-1.5990367

At the end of 2017, the fast-growing company based at Gladbach Airport will supply the first machine and the second one a year later. Further orders are to follow, from Pakistan or other countries. RAS Managing Director Johannes Graf von Schaesberg says: "With this order, our company is once again developing, which is a new business model for us."

And an exciting one. The airplanes are mainly equipped with state-of-the-art satellite technology to detect submarines. In serious cases, however, they are also to be expelled. Both aircraft have a torpedo launch station. For these very special technical challenges, the Gladbachers cooperate with a company from Braunschweig.​

 

[Blue Marlin]

This is a good overview of the structural modifications Rheinland Air Service is doing to the ATR-72s.

http://www.rp-online.de/nrw/staedte...hafen-grossauftrag-aus-pakistan-aid-1.5990367

At the end of 2017, the fast-growing company based at Gladbach Airport will supply the first machine and the second one a year later. Further orders are to follow, from Pakistan or other countries. RAS Managing Director Johannes Graf von Schaesberg says: "With this order, our company is once again developing, which is a new business model for us."

And an exciting one. The airplanes are mainly equipped with state-of-the-art satellite technology to detect submarines. In serious cases, however, they are also to be expelled. Both aircraft have a torpedo launch station. For these very special technical challenges, the Gladbachers cooperate with a company from Braunschweig.​

any pics of the atr-72 mpa from pakistan. why didnt pakistan get this updates done from germany instead of turkey?

is pakistan gonna get a atr mpa like this..............

 

[Bilal Khan (Quwa)]

any pics of the atr-72 mpa from pakistan. why didnt pakistan get this updates done from germany instead of turkey?

is pakistan gonna get a atr mpa like this..............

PN ATR-72s are shorter hull -500s, so they're unlikely to have the AShM-firing capabilities of the -600 (unless the torpedo hardpoints can be re-used for AShMs).

 

[Blue Marlin]

PN ATR-72s are shorter hull -500s, so they're unlikely to have the AShM-firing capabilities of the -600 (unless the torpedo hardpoints can be re-used for AShMs).

the fusalage length is the same. the difference between the atr-72-212/500 and the 72-600 is that it has a more powerful engine and is more denser (only passenger versions) and thats done by removing the lavatory from one end of the plane so theres only one set on the entire plane.

 

[Penguin]

PN ATR-72s are shorter hull -500s, so they're unlikely to have the AShM-firing capabilities of the -600 (unless the torpedo hardpoints can be re-used for AShMs).

ATR 72–210: Two sub-types were marketed as the 210 series (−210), the −211 (which if fitted with an enlarged cargo door is called the −212). This is a −200 with PW127 engines producing 2,750 shp (2,050 kW) each for improved performance in hot and high-altitude conditions. The sub-types differ in the type of doors and emergency exits
ATR 72–212: PW127-powered variant certified in December 1992.
ATR 72-212A: Certified in January 1997 and fitted with either PW127F or PW127M engines, the −212A is an upgraded version of the −210 using six-bladed propellers on otherwise identical PW127F engines. Other improvements include higher maximum weights and superior performance, as well as greater automation of power management to ease pilot workload.
ATR 72–500: Initial marketing name for the ATR 72-212A.
ATR 72–600: Marketing name for ATR 72-212A with different equipment fit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ATR_72#Variants

SHORTER?

Hardpoints are hardpoints. Different ordnance is accommodated by different racks. The only limitation would seem the weight the hardpoints can support.

A single Mk44 ASW torp weighs 196 kg and a single Mk 46 weighs 231 kg. The Sea Killer / Marte Mk2 AShM is about 300kg (as compared to 600-800kg for the larger missiles like Exocet, C802, Harpoon etc.).

Some sources indicate the aircraft are fit for four (fuselage) pylons for torpedoes if required.
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/lima-mpa-version-of-atr-72-600-makes-public-debut-435397/

I would think the inner hardpoints could be stronger than the outer ones.

But front and rear hardpoints may also be possible:
http://www.***************/pictures/data/3979/IMGP1419.jpg
http://www.network54.com/Forum/2480...kish+CN-235+and+ATR-72+MPA+ASW-ASuW+aircrafts.

Wing hardpoints could be another possibility:

The Italian Air Force had ordered the aircraft in 2008 and expected them to enter service in 2012. However, Leonardo officials say the program was redefined and the timing rescheduled after the air force asked for the aircraft’s configuration to be changed.
The P-72s will be operated by a standard crew of eight – two pilots, four mission system operators and two observers. Maximum endurance is 10 hours, although a typical mission will last 6-8 hours.
The aircraft have been configured so that an anti-submarine warfare capability could be added in the future. The wing can be fitted with hard points for torpedoes, and the rear fuselage has been strengthened to allow fitment of a magnetic anomaly detector. An area in the rear cabin has been earmarked for a sonobuoy launcher.
http://aviationweek.com/shownews/italian-turkish-atr-72-maritime-patrol-programs-reach-milestones

The ATR 72 ASW is a derivative of proven ATR 72-500 commercial aircraft integrating the same maritime patrol capabilities of ATR 42 MP in addition to Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) and Anti-Surface Warfare (ASuW) capabilities. The ATR 72 ASW can execute patrols with a mission radius of 600 nautical miles (1,100+ km) for more than 2 hours with a total mission endurance of roughly 9 hours. With a 200 nautical miles (360+ km) mission radius the airplane can remain on station for 7 hours.
A rotary sonobuoys launcher and a Magnetic Anomaly Detector (MAD) system for detecting diving submarines; chaff and flare for passive defense; two depth charges , A244S (4) or MU90 (2) torpedoes and torpedo launch mechanism to engage hostile submarines; and two AM39 Exocet anti-ship missiles to engage surface ships is the equipment loaded onboard the ATR 72 ASW including the equipment provided to the ATR 42 MP. Optionally, it can be outfitted with a Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR)
http://www.deagel.com/Support-Aircraft/ATR-72-ASW_a000090004.aspx

 

[Advocate Pakistan]

So, probably they are going to replace the Fokkers.

 

[khanasifm]

Fokers plus gives you capability to continue using am39 which Atlantic Aircraft had plus any other French weapons I am not sure if p3 can fire [emoji91] French weapons

Looks like cheaper atr will be used more during peace time and p3 expensive just enough to keep crew current and preserve more for war time

 

[khanasifm]

No atr was part of aerial display on sep 8 navy day so looks like all sent for upgrade and committed

 

[khanasifm]

PN ATR-72s are shorter hull -500s, so they're unlikely to have the AShM-firing capabilities of the -600 (unless the torpedo hardpoints can be re-used for AShMs).

http://www.pprune.org/tech-log/541036-atr-72-600-vs-atr-72-500-systems.html

http://theflyingengineer.com/2013/05/31/atr-72-600-or-500/

http://theflyingengineer.com/2013/01/11/the-atr-72-600-an-introduction/

 

[Gryphon]

Pakistan Navy ATR72MPA to fly in October

28th June 2017

Aerodata held a briefing at Paris, at which I think I was the only journalist. The German company has been working on special mission aircraft systems since the mid-80s. However, its latest project, the upgrade of an ATR72 to a maritime patrol aircraft was undoubtedly the biggest to date. So it was no surprise that the company’s President and CEO, Hans J Stahl was keen to discuss it. He was keen not to disclose the customer, although we all know it is for the Pakistan Navy.

Stahl told me” “We have done work with King Airs [Malta Air Force] and Do 328s in the past. But the installation job on this ATR 72 is much more complex. We signed the contract in summer 2015 but didn’t start until early 2016 as approvals were needed from several governments, which take a while. We are integrating Leonardo’s Seaspray for the first time. Although we have done Telephonics and Elta systems in the past.”

The Elta EL/M2022 system – a combined radar/weather and search radar went into the Australian Maritime Safety Authority Do328s of which one was in static. The five aircraft were also equipped with the Star Safire III and delivered to Aero Rescue between April 2006-February 2007.

One of AeroRescue’s Do328s operated on behalf of the Australia’s Maritime Safety Authority (AMSA) Do328s appeared at Paris, the aircraft was fitted out by Aerodata AG in the mid-2000s. It is one of five operated by the company based in Darwin. Alan Warnes

The company is known to have beaten off three other rivals in the last leg of the Pakistan Navy bid, they are thought to have included PAL Aerospace, Thales and Leonardo. “Aerodata has been working on the ATR 72MPA for just over a year now, and first flight is expected in October” Stahl added. “It has maritime surveillance, anti-submarine warfare and also search and rescue capabilities.”

While Aerodata is based in Braunschweig, the work to integrate the systems and modifications to the airframe is being carried out by Rheinland Air Services in Monchengladbach. The company, well versed with the ATR 72 is working alongside Marshall Aerospace from Cambridge, UK. Aerodata is responsible for the design, the kits and integration.

There are two aircraft contracted and optional for the first two with the first due for delivery in early 2018 and the second in early 2019.

“It will have a fully missionised system with torpedos and water bombs, it has a typical sensor suite including a Seaspray 7300E radar for long range detection, localisation and classification. A Star Safire III EO/IR system will provide the short range classification and imaging. We also included some ESM systems [supplied by the customer from Electronica] and long and short range detection of threats, classification and localisation. Along that comes self-protection against infra-red radar or laser threats; there are ELINT components as well. It will be certified as per Pakistan’s standards.”

The Pakistan Navy is known to have initially acquired two ATR72s in the second hand market from Spain (delivered in March 2013) and Grand Canaries (in July 2013). They both serve 27 Sqn at Pakistan Navy Ship (PNS) Mehran outside of Karachi. The conversion of these aircraft from transport/cargo aircraft has taken its while because the pilots were initially training and then several contract tenders did not go as well as expected. A third aircraft was delivered in August 2016 and with options on a further two it would appear the Navy intends to acquire a fourth ATR72 in the near future. Alan Warnes

Pakistan Navy ATR72MPA to fly in October | warnesysworld.com




Marshall and Aerodata to provide MSA to undisclosed navy

• 13 APRIL, 2016
  
• SOURCE: FLIGHTGLOBAL.COM
  
• BY: BETH STEVENSON
  
• LONDON

Marshall Aerospace and Defence has been contracted by special mission system provider Aerodata to convert two ATR 72-500s into maritime surveillance aircraft (MSA) for an undisclosed navy.

Marshall will design, manufacture and certify the special mission equipment on board the aircraft, which are expected to enter service with the customer in 2018 and 2019.

A radar, camera, self-protection equipment and stores pylons will be installed on the twin-engined turboprops at Marshall’s Cambridge, UK site and a team of engineers will travel to Aerodata’s location in Braunschweig, Germany throughout the installation.

Marshall adds there could be a later requirement to convert two more ATR 72s into the MSA configuration for the same customer.

Flightglobal’s Fleets Analyzer database shows the Pakistan navy as having two ATR 72s in storage. These are undergoing conversion to maritime surveillance aircraft, having previously been operated by Air Botswana and Binter Canarias. The Turkish navy has also operated an ATR 72-600 in the MSA role before converting it into a utility configuration in 2013, Fleets Analyzer shows.

Turkish navy ATR 72 in its previous special mission role

Alenia Aermacchi

“During our 90-plus year aerospace history we have worked on more than 30 different platforms, including the Airbus A318, Boeing P-8, [Lockheed Martin] C-130 [and] Tristar and [Vickers] VC10, making us an extremely experienced special mission partner,” Steve Fitz-Gerald, chief executive of Marshall Aerospace and Defence, says.

“We are pleased to be supporting Aerodata in delivering the mission capability requirements of its customer.”

Aerodata provides special mission systems for surveillance consisting of radar, forward-looking infrared, electro-optics and direction finders.

Marshall provides engineering services including aircraft conversion and also specialises in Beechcraft King Air twin-turboprops.

Marshall and Aerodata to provide MSA to undisclosed navy | flightglobal.com

 

[Sulman Badshah]

 

[Fawad alam]

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They arrived at Pakistan or these Pics are from Germany?