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First Project 15B Bangalore-Class Stealth Guided Missile Destroyer Ready For Launch Next Month

Are they going to another decade to induct this ship??? That is the big question. INS Kolkata started contruction in 2003 and inducted in 2014! 11 years!! Bloody losers still needs consultancy!!! What the hell wrong with this guys?? If it were a private shipyard, it would have make it in 6 years thanks to fear of losing job!!!

Well INS Kolkata was late by four years - it was planned to be inducted by 2010 but the delays in the construction programme have been attributed to persistent design changes made by the Indian Navy to incorporate new weapons systems and sensors, failure by a Ukrainian shipyard to deliver the ship's propellers and shafts and the contract later being awarded to a Russian firm, delay in supply of warship-grade steel by Russia, delay in finalisation of cost of weapons and sensors and finally the delay in the delivery of the Barak 8 anti-air missiles, which are still in the final stages of completion with IAI and the DRDO.

These delays were mostly due to subcontractors/sub-vendors rather than MDL. We can't actually blame MDL when the weapons and sensors that are to be integrated in the platform are struck in red-tape! It isn't their responsibility to develop them either. Defence Ministry had a lot to do with it though.

But I am pretty optimistic about the timelines of Project-15B as no major re-designing has been done - there will be changes in the superstructure that will improve the ships stealth characteristics, it will incorporate a flush deck, include better acoustic signature and infrared signature reduction systems and more sophisticated weaponry such as: Nirbhay land-attack cruise missiles, hypersonic BrahMos-II anti-ship missiles and Barak 8-ER SAMs. They will operate two helicopters, and are expected to displace approximately 8,000 tonnes at full displacement (500 tonnes more than 15A).

The good thing is this time the Warship Grade Steel is being supplied by SAIL! :tup:
Warship-grade steel, made by SAIL
 
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Well INS Kolkata was late by four years - it was planned to be inducted by 2010 but the delays in the construction programme have been attributed to persistent design changes made by the Indian Navy to incorporate new weapons systems and sensors, failure by a Ukrainian shipyard to deliver the ship's propellers and shafts and the contract later being awarded to a Russian firm, delay in supply of warship-grade steel by Russia, delay in finalisation of cost of weapons and sensors and finally the delay in the delivery of the Barak 8 anti-air missiles, which are still in the final stages of completion with IAI and the DRDO.

These delays were mostly due to subcontractors/sub-vendors rather than MDL. We can't actually blame MDL when the weapons and sensors that are to be integrated in the platform are struck in red-tape! It isn't their responsibility to develop them either. Defence Ministry had a lot to do with it though.

But I am pretty optimistic about the timelines of Project-15B as no major re-designing has been done - there will be changes in the superstructure that will improve the ships stealth characteristics, it will incorporate a flush deck, include better acoustic signature and infrared signature reduction systems and more sophisticated weaponry such as: Nirbhay land-attack cruise missiles, hypersonic BrahMos-II anti-ship missiles and Barak 8-ER SAMs. They will operate two helicopters, and are expected to displace approximately 8,000 tonnes at full displacement (500 tonnes more than 15A).

The good thing is this time the Warship Grade Steel is being supplied by SAIL! :tup:
Warship-grade steel, made by SAIL


I can forsee bro that these idiots will find another lame excuse for delay in P-15B. Either we order from private shipyards or we privatize MDL.
 
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I can forsee bro that these idiots will find another lame excuse for delay in P-15B. Either we order from private shipyards or we privatize MDL.

Private Shipyards are a must - we have no other option actually -

EY study says Indian warshipbuilding capacity grossly inadequate, private yards can step up

With demand in India for new naval platforms such as warships and submarines outstripping the public sector’s capacity to deliver, private shipyards have the potential of scooping up annual business of Rs 25,000 crore over the next 15 years, a report on warship-building capabilities says.

While the government has been working to increase the capacity of defence shipyards, the sheer requirements of the navy – estimated at more than 95 vessels due for acquisition by 2027 – presents a unique opportunity for private shipyards to capture the market, according to the recent report by EY.

Besides, a substantial order for next-generation submarines has captured the imagination of the private sector – Pipavav Defence & Offshore Engineering Co and Larsen & Toubro are in contention for an estimated Rs 80,000 crore of contracts along with Mazgaon Docks Ltd and others. The requirement of the navy and the Coast Guard over the next few years stretches from offshore patrol vessels to amphibious fighting ships.

Comparing the existing and planned upgrade in the capability of India’s defence shipyards, the report says that while at an average, government-owned yards can handle business worth Rs 30,000 crore annually in the 15-year period, there will be a huge gap in supply, leaving private yards with the scope of an annual Rs 25,000 crore business.

“The indigenous construction requires an estimated annual capacity of 107 Standard Ship Units (SSUs) in terms of the annual turnover. But even with a reasonable increase in efficiency, India’s ship-building capacity, as well as the present capacity of defence shipyards, is grossly inadequate to meet even half of projected requirements,” the report says.

Besides the scope for business, a related study by EY suggests that in case the government can implement its ‘Make in India’ plan for the defence forces, savings of at least 20% in terms of capital expenditure can be achieved over the next 12 years in military purchases. This would translate into roughly a saving of Rs 3 lakh crore.

“Considering the country’s cost-saving edge, we can safely assume a saving of above 20% on major defence platforms in case they are produced in India, with or without a joint venture or transfer of technology,” the report says.

This demand has spurred fresh interest in the private sector to invest in shipyards, with the takeover of Pipavav by Anil Ambani’s Reliance Infrastructure Ltd the most recent example. The report identifies leading players in the segment as Pipavav, L&T, Bharati Shipyard Ltd and ABG Shipyard Ltd, which have been able to secure naval orders in recent years.

EY study says Indian warshipbuilding capacity grossly inadequate, private yards can step up | idrw.org

And we are proceeding in the right direction in this concern - Private Shipyards like L&T are being Promoted - L&T Bags $230 Million Contract to Supply Seven Offshore Patrol Vessels To The Indian Coast Guard

And believe me MDL is still good - Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL) is the real headache as of now :p:
but as usual like the privatization of any other government entity - the Privatization of HSL is also being opposed! Battling a paralysing financial situation and with no bank willing to help, the shipyard had to dip into its 'Refurbishment & Replacement of Machineries & Infrastructure (RRMI) funds' just to make available the working capital to complete its ongoing shipbuilding projects.(Actually its pretty disheartening to see the Shipyard which played a significant role in building our first indigenous Nuclear SSBN to be in such a poor state!) :undecided:
 
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Are they going to another decade to induct this ship??? That is the big question. INS Kolkata started contruction in 2003 and inducted in 2014! 11 years!! Bloody losers still needs consultancy!!! What the hell wrong with this guys?? If it were a private shipyard, it would have make it in 6 years thanks to fear of losing job!!!


INS Visakapatnam D 66 laid --12 October 2013 Launch--20 April 2015 Induction: 2018 (expected)



Name Pennant Laid down Launched Sea trials Commissioning Homeport
Kolkata D 63 27 September 2003 30 March 2006[34][35] 2013 16 August 2014[36] Mumbai
Kochi D 64 25 October 2005 18 September 2009[37] 2014[38] Mid 2015[39] Karwar
Chennai D 65 21 February 2006 1 April 2010[40] 2014-15 Early 2016
 
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INS Visakapatnam D 66 laid --12 October 2013 Launch--20 April 2015 Induction: 2018 (expected)



Name Pennant Laid down Launched Sea trials Commissioning Homeport
Kolkata D 63 27 September 2003 30 March 2006[34][35] 2013 16 August 2014[36] Mumbai
Kochi D 64 25 October 2005 18 September 2009[37] 2014[38] Mid 2015[39] Karwar
Chennai D 65 21 February 2006 1 April 2010[40] 2014-15 Early 2016



INS Visakapatnam D 66 laid --12 October 2013 Launch--20 April 2015 Induction: 2024 (real)

Thats now realistic.
 
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Are they going to another decade to induct this ship??? That is the big question. INS Kolkata started contruction in 2003 and inducted in 2014! 11 years!! Bloody losers still needs consultancy!!! What the hell wrong with this guys?? If it were a private shipyard, it would have make it in 6 years thanks to fear of losing job!!!

No......................

INS Kolkata was first of its class also it faced some problems and then there was Barak 8 saga.

Once a shipyard starts building ships, i.e on building spree, the ships take much lesser time for construction.

Reember how US built 130 + Aircraft Carriers in WW II. (Off coarse most of them were Escort Carriers.)
 
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No......................

INS Kolkata was first of its class also it faced some problems and then there was Barak 8 saga.

Once a shipyard starts building ships, i.e on building spree, the ships take much lesser time for construction.

Reember how US built 130 + aircraft carriers in WW II.


Yes they will! Mark my word. This is not US, in US ships are built by private companies. If you don't perform, you are out, someone better must get the chance.

INS Kolkata is the first one I agree, but what happened to second and third one??? Why they are also parallely delayed!!!

We must accept reality.
 
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Yes they will! Mark my word. This is not US, in US ships are built by private companies. If you don't perform, you are out, someone better must get the chance.

INS Kolkata is the first one I agree, but what happened to second and third one??? Why they are also parallely delayed!!!

We must accept reality.

P 15 B will takes less time.

Also INS Kochi is joining Indian Navy soon.
 
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Private Shipyards are a must - we have no other option actually -

EY study says Indian warshipbuilding capacity grossly inadequate, private yards can step up

With demand in India for new naval platforms such as warships and submarines outstripping the public sector’s capacity to deliver, private shipyards have the potential of scooping up annual business of Rs 25,000 crore over the next 15 years, a report on warship-building capabilities says.

While the government has been working to increase the capacity of defence shipyards, the sheer requirements of the navy – estimated at more than 95 vessels due for acquisition by 2027 – presents a unique opportunity for private shipyards to capture the market, according to the recent report by EY.

Besides, a substantial order for next-generation submarines has captured the imagination of the private sector – Pipavav Defence & Offshore Engineering Co and Larsen & Toubro are in contention for an estimated Rs 80,000 crore of contracts along with Mazgaon Docks Ltd and others. The requirement of the navy and the Coast Guard over the next few years stretches from offshore patrol vessels to amphibious fighting ships.

Comparing the existing and planned upgrade in the capability of India’s defence shipyards, the report says that while at an average, government-owned yards can handle business worth Rs 30,000 crore annually in the 15-year period, there will be a huge gap in supply, leaving private yards with the scope of an annual Rs 25,000 crore business.

“The indigenous construction requires an estimated annual capacity of 107 Standard Ship Units (SSUs) in terms of the annual turnover. But even with a reasonable increase in efficiency, India’s ship-building capacity, as well as the present capacity of defence shipyards, is grossly inadequate to meet even half of projected requirements,” the report says.

Besides the scope for business, a related study by EY suggests that in case the government can implement its ‘Make in India’ plan for the defence forces, savings of at least 20% in terms of capital expenditure can be achieved over the next 12 years in military purchases. This would translate into roughly a saving of Rs 3 lakh crore.

“Considering the country’s cost-saving edge, we can safely assume a saving of above 20% on major defence platforms in case they are produced in India, with or without a joint venture or transfer of technology,” the report says.

This demand has spurred fresh interest in the private sector to invest in shipyards, with the takeover of Pipavav by Anil Ambani’s Reliance Infrastructure Ltd the most recent example. The report identifies leading players in the segment as Pipavav, L&T, Bharati Shipyard Ltd and ABG Shipyard Ltd, which have been able to secure naval orders in recent years.

EY study says Indian warshipbuilding capacity grossly inadequate, private yards can step up | idrw.org

And we are proceeding in the right direction in this concern - Private Shipyards like L&T are being Promoted - L&T Bags $230 Million Contract to Supply Seven Offshore Patrol Vessels To The Indian Coast Guard

And believe me MDL is still good - Hindustan Shipyard Limited (HSL) is the real headache as of now :p:
but as usual like the privatization of any other government entity - the Privatization of HSL is also being opposed! Battling a paralysing financial situation and with no bank willing to help, the shipyard had to dip into its 'Refurbishment & Replacement of Machineries & Infrastructure (RRMI) funds' just to make available the working capital to complete its ongoing shipbuilding projects.(Actually its pretty disheartening to see the Shipyard which built our first indigenous Nuclear SSBN to be in such a poor state!) :undecided:
INS Arihant manufactured in Ship Building Centre (SBC) Vizag not HSL Vizag & hull fabricated by L&T
 
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P 15 B will takes less time.

Also INS Kochi is joining Indian Navy soon.


Kochi and Chennai also taking 10 years. No gain.

All other countries UK, France, Germany, Japan, Korea, China, US, Russia takes half....
 
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haha tujhe to bas ek point chahiye bashing ka. Anyway kaisa hai aur doctor bana ki nahi abhi?
Dhat teri ki ye doctor banne wala hai, patient to gaya kamse, questions itne puchega ki patient on the place thik hoke bhag jayega, pet me dard hoga, or wo puri history janake itna jadega ki kya khaya tha kyu khaya tha, samaj me nahi ata, kya age hoyi, bachche ho kya, and patint will run away, hope i not climb wrong chalti gadi is it so? ;)
 
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All About the INS Visakhapatnam, Navy's Most Powerful Destroyer
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NEW DELHI: Three days before it is launched, fresh details have emerged about the Navy's newest destroyer, the Project 15B Visakhapatnam Class. Four ships of this class are being built in a Rs.29,340 crore project.

While the first ship will be named INS Visakhapatnam, NDTV has learnt that two of her three sister ships may be called INS Porbandar and INS Marmagoa. The final ship of the class will likely bear the name of a port in Gujarat. The names of the warships will need to be cleared by the President before being finalised.

There will be changes in the superstructure that will improve the ships stealth characteristics, it will incorporate a flush deck, include better acoustic signature and infrared signature reduction systems and more sophisticated weaponry such as: Nirbhay land-attack cruise missiles, hypersonic BrahMos-II anti-ship missiles and Barak 8-ER SAMs. They will operate two helicopters, and are expected to displace approximately 8,000 tonnes at full displacement (500 tonnes more than 15A).

At 7,300 tonnes, Visakhapatnam will be the largest destroyer commissioned in the country and will be equipped with the Israeli Multi Function Surveillance Threat Alert Radar (MF-STAR) which will provide targeting information to 32 Barak 8 long-range surface to air missiles onboard the warship.

The Barak 8 missile being co-developed with Israel is at present being integrated in the Navy's new destroyer, INS Kolkata and will be test-fired by October this year. Like the INS Kolkata, the Visakhpatnam will be able to fire 16 long range Brahmos anti-ship missiles.

There are some important differences between the Navy's Kolkata class destroyers and the Visakhapatnam class though they share the same hull-design and Ukrainian-built Zorya gas turbines.
  • The Visakhapatnam will be armed with a 127 mm main gun while the INS Kolkata has a 76mm Super Rapid Gun Mount (SRGM). Both classes share the AK-630 close-in anti-missile gun system.
  • The sonar of the Visakhapatnam will be bow mounted and will feature a a revised bridge layout.
  • The design of the mast, which features the main radar has been revised. The Visakhapatnam will provide its crew greater protection in a nuclear, chemical or biological warfare scenario.
  • She also features a rail-less helicopter traversing system to secure the helicopter she carries in heavy sea conditions.
  • Central to the Visakhapatnam is network-centric layout. She is equipped with a Ship Data Network (SDN), an Automatic Power Management System and a Combat Management System. Essentially, all information critical for the operation of the warship during all operations is available to key officers through the SDN which the Navy describes as a data information highway.
  • The Visakhapatnam is being launched on April 20 and will be delivered to the Indian Navy in July 2018. The remaining three ships will be delivered at an interval of two years each.
All About the INS Visakhapatnam, Navy's Most Powerful Destroyer

@waz - sir if you please replace "Bangalore" with "Visakhapatnam" in the thread title!
 
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Why not Vizy?

Visakhapatnam is rarely called by that name in usual vocabulary here (I'm from AP). Vizag is the name used,
although the former is the official name.
 
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