First Indian C-130J In Full Colour

[Chaluboy]

are we ordering any more after the first 6

 

[Renegade]

are we ordering any more after the first 6

well, if the IAF comes out impressed with the prformance of the C-130J it is very likely that further orders will follow. and also as the rest of the transport fleet grows old, there will be further demand for good equipment to replace it. As Russia has nothing new to offer on the shelf at the moment and the Europen A-400 has not reached full operational capability, in all likelyhood more C-130J's are likely to follow.

 

[garibnawaz]

well, if the IAF comes out impressed with the prformance of the C-130J it is very likely that further orders will follow. and also as the rest of the transport fleet grows old, there will be further demand for good equipment to replace it. As Russia has nothing new to offer on the shelf at the moment and the Europen A-400 has not reached full operational capability, in all likelyhood more C-130J's are likely to follow.

I would have picked up A-400 over C-130J any day anytime.

GB

 

[garibnawaz]

Ah now I get what you meant, I checked the designations of IL 76 and AN 32 and they also starts with "K".

The MiG-29's start with KB

Doesn't make any sense.

GB

 

[Kinetic]

well, if the IAF comes out impressed with the prformance of the C-130J it is very likely that further orders will follow. and also as the rest of the transport fleet grows old, there will be further demand for good equipment to replace it. As Russia has nothing new to offer on the shelf at the moment and the Europen A-400 has not reached full operational capability, in all likelyhood more C-130J's are likely to follow.

As of now there is nothing comparable to C-130J from Russia. But India is jointly developing MRTA with Russia that can play the roles of C-130J but it will take time. So there is chance that IAF may order 6 more C-130J.

 

[Kinetic]

I would have picked up A-400 over C-130J any day anytime.

GB

A-400M is good no doubt about that but its not fully ready yet and already ordered in large number by European countries so it would take time, while IAF desperately need such aircraft for special operations.

 

[jha]

what about AN-70..? is it comparable to C-130J..?
however since both of them cost almost same..so i dont see much trouble..

however C-17 is altogether a different thing....

 

[sudhir007]

what about AN-70..? is it comparable to C-130J..?
however since both of them cost almost same..so i dont see much trouble..

however C-17 is altogether a different thing....

I dnt agree with in price tag which ur say Russian plane alway cheaper then usa. the export version of AN-70 is around 70-100 million but if you see the C-130j it come around double price tag.
also An-70 is much more heavier then c-130j.

An-70

* Crew: 3-5
* Capacity: 300 troops or 206 wounded
* Payload: 47 tonnes (2.25g) (103,620 lb (2.25g)) of cargo
* Length: 40.7 m (133 ft 6 in)
* Wingspan: 44.06 m (144 ft 7 in)
* Height: 16.38 m (53 ft 9 in)
* Empty weight: 66,230 kg (146,000 lb)
* Loaded weight: 108,860 kg (240,000 lb)
* Max takeoff weight: 145,000 kg (2.25g) (319,725 lb (2.25g))
* Powerplant: 4× Progress D-27 propfans, 10,350 kW (14,000 hp) each

Performance

* Maximum speed: 780 km/h (420 knots, 485 mph)
* Cruise speed: 729 km/h (392 knots, 453 mph)
* Stall speed: 100 km/h (53 knots, 61 mph)
* Range: 6,600 km (3,600 nm, 4,100 mi) with 20 tonnes of cargo
* Ferry range: 8,000 km (4,320 nm, 4,970 mi)
* Service ceiling: 12,000 m (40,000 ft)
* Rate of climb: 24.9 m/s (4,900 ft/min)

C-130j

* Crew: 3 (two pilots, and one loadmaster are minimum crew)
* Capacity:

* 92 passengers (128 for C-130J-30) or
* 64 airborne troops (92 for C-130J-30) or
* 6 pallets (8 pallets for C-130J-30) or
* 74 litter patients with 2 medical personnel (97 litters for C-130J-30)
* 2–3 HMMWVs or an M113 armored personnel carrier

* Payload: 42,000 lb (19,090 kg) ; for C-130J-30: 44,000 lb/ 19,900 kg
* Length: 97 ft 9 in, 29.79 m (for C-130J-30: 112 ft, 9 in, 34.69 m)
* Wingspan: 132 ft 7 in (40.41 m)
* Height: 38 ft 10 in (11.84 m)
* Wing area: 1,745 ft² (162.1 m²)
* Empty weight: 75,562 lb (34,274 kg)
* Useful load: 72,000 lb (33,000 kg)
* Max takeoff weight: up to 175,000 lb (79,378 kg); normal 155,000 lb (70,305 kg)
* Powerplant: 4× Rolls-Royce AE 2100D3 turboprop, 4,637 shp (3,458 kW)) each
* Propellers: Dowty R391 6-blade composite propeller, 1 per engine

Performance

* Maximum speed: 362 knots (417 mph, 671 km/h)
* Cruise speed: 348 kn (400 mph, 643 km/h)
* Range: 2,835 nmi (3,262 mi, 5,250 km)
* Service ceiling: 28,000 ft (8,615 m) with 42,000 pounds (19,090 kilograms) payload
* Takeoff distance: 3,127 ft (953 m) at 155,000 lb (70,300 kg) gross weight

 

[sancho]

The MiG-29's start with KB

Doesn't make any sense.

GB

Mh, then it will remain a secret of IAF I guess.

AN 32 -K:

IL 76 - K:

IL 78 - RK:

A50 - KW:

I would have picked up A-400 over C-130J any day anytime.

GB

A400M is a difficult case, more capable than the C130J, bit twice, or even 3 times as expensive. On the other hand less capable than a C17, but nearly as costly.
However, it is in development only and a special ops config is doubtful at the moment, so not comparable to these C130Js. But I'm thinking about them as a tanker varient in a combined deal with A330 MRTT, same refuelling techs, so possibly more cost-effective. Also interesting could be a dedicated AWACS version, because the A400M is nearly the size of the A50/IL 76 and has similar specs too, but can take off from short tracks, is cheaper to operate and would give us a safe alternative. If any problem comes up with the IL 76 fleet and it must be grounded again, we would also ground all Phalcon AWACS, which is a big security problem for India, so another Phalcon AWACS platform should be important.

 

[jha]

^^^ Thanks sudhir..i had forgotten the price...its actually ~200 mil....

What a waste of money...these should be capped at 6 only..instead we should order An-70 ...These are comparatively new designs and even Germany was interested in this when A-400 was in trouble..
Or, even a better option is to fast track the MRTA program...

 

[jha]

Buying A-400 will be an even more stupid step..It costs like hell and is going to conclude its current orders of the member nation in 2025..are we willing to wait till then..?

 

[Abingdonboy]

Chindits: First Indian C-130J In Full Colour

So is it going to say "INDIAN Air FORCE" on the right-hand side in English??

+ where is the air-air refuelling probe? I thought the IAF version was going to have one.

 

[sudhir007]

^^^ Thanks sudhir..i had forgotten the price...its actually ~200 mil....

What a waste of money...these should be capped at 6 only..instead we should order An-70 ...These are comparatively new designs and even Germany was interested in this when A-400 was in trouble..
Or, even a better option is to fast track the MRTA program...

thank jha ji
it is in the same class as IL-76 take of load is around 40-50T

 

[Renegade]

what about AN-70..? is it comparable to C-130J..?
however since both of them cost almost same..so i dont see much trouble..

however C-17 is altogether a different thing....

While the An-70 is a very capable aircraft it is still under development and its full potential is yet to be reached. But problems with financing and some technological constrains limit its ability to fully blossom into a very capable aircraft.

where as the C -130J is an already proven platform and suits the IAF's requiremts for special operations, for which these planes were required in the first place.

 

[garibnawaz]

Mh, then it will remain a secret of IAF I guess.

and did I denied that those planes (Il-76's,Il-78's and An-32) does not start with K?

I just added MiG-29 also start with K which has nothing to do with KC serial being a tanker for IAF.

KC is a designation for US tankers while the KC in discussion here is usual IAF serial number.

A-400M is good no doubt about that but its not fully ready yet and already ordered in large number by European countries so it would take time, while IAF desperately need such aircraft for special operations.

are we ordering any more after the first 6

These C-130J are just a stop gap measure till this arrives.

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