Firepower of K9 Vajra

[Pakistani Fighter]

That is what happens once you achieve surprise. We can also say that PAF was also sleeping once IAF hit Balakot. But we all know that its nt like that. Once you achieve surprise, you are bound to achieve gains, and the other side will take time to gather up its strength.

Sir but IAF would had done the same to afterwards. Our armour wouldn't had reached india

 

[PanzerKiel]

Sir but IAF would had done the same to afterwards. Our armour wouldn't had reached us

I just quoted a small element of that scenario. I didnt mention IAF or what they did afterwards.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Just to add, i was going through a war scenario of an Indian Defence Analyst known to be highly critical and fair to both Pakistan and Indian armies.

The scenario he painted, just one scenario ofcourse there can be many more.....in his scenario PAF opens up the war by systematically destroying all major bridges in Indian territory within 200 kms of the international border. Now, no one, even both armies combined, have that much engineer bridges to replace all of them.

Result, as per him, move of important and heavy Indian formations got late,Pakistan Army made good of that time to achieve critical gains in several sectors.

Thats why, and how, bridges are important. And hence, weight of vehicles as well.

A worthy and excellent weapon system or platform, if it doesnt reaches the battlefield in time, then no use of it. Thats called superior maneuver....simply isolating a critical asset before it can be used.

It is also a useful reminder that the Pakistan Army is brilliantly located;its complex behind Sialkot, whatever the financial underpinning and origins, is far ahead of the Indian Army. We have to move up from locations like Jodhpur, Gwalior, Mathura, and remote locations in Himachal. That automatically makes us vulnerable to interdiction.

 

[Nilgiri]

That is what happens once you achieve surprise. We can also say that PAF was also sleeping once IAF hit Balakot. But we all know that its nt like that. Once you achieve surprise, you are bound to achieve gains, and the other side will take time to gather up its strength.

Send these mirages on an excursion due west over the mediterranean, and loop them in over the nile delta at last moment.

 

[PanzerKiel]

Send these mirages on an excursion due west over the mediterranean, and loop them in over the nile delta at last moment.

Reminds me of interesting times.

 

[BL33D]

It is also a useful reminder that the Pakistan Army is brilliantly located;its complex behind Sialkot, whatever the financial underpinning and origins, is far ahead of the Indian Army. We have to move up from locations like Jodhpur, Gwalior, Mathura, and remote locations in Himachal. That automatically makes us vulnerable to interdiction.

Well, wouldnt their complexes be under missile barrage. Its a double edged situation. You get close for better mobilization but risk destroying your supply and manufacturing base altogether.

 

[PanzerKiel]

It is also a useful reminder that the Pakistan Army is brilliantly located;its complex behind Sialkot, whatever the financial underpinning and origins, is far ahead of the Indian Army. We have to move up from locations like Jodhpur, Gwalior, Mathura, and remote locations in Himachal. That automatically makes us vulnerable to interdiction.

Our Sialkot bulge is one big advantage, giving us a host of military options. Both Offensive and defensive options.

With regards to IA peace locations, you are right. That is an inherent vulnerability.

Well, wouldnt their complexes be under missile barrage. Its a double edged situation. You get close for better mobilization but risk destroying your supply and manufacturing base altogether.

And then here is where the force multipliers and PAF / IAF come in handy. If you are risking to close up your installations, then better is to guard them and the approaches leading to them with potent AD assets, backed up by good air interceptors.

 

[Joe Shearer]

I just Hope HIT starts manufacturing Artilleries

Metallurgy.

It's not just mechanical engineering.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Metallurgy.

Metallurgical engineering is there in NEDUET

 

[BL33D]

Our Sialkot bulge is one big advantage, giving us a host of military options. Both Offensive and defensive options.

With regards to IA peace locations, you are right. That is an inherent vulnerability.

And then here is where the force multipliers and PAF / IAF come in handy. If you are risking to close up your installations, then better is to guard them and the approaches leading to them with potent AD assets, backed up by good air interceptors.

How good are your defences in the Sindh sector. A very quick and heavy mobilisation in Sialkot sector could be retaliated by quick movement by the cores in south western sector to have sizeable gains. The terrain will only let you go ahead so far in sialkot region. Its a gamble.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Our Sialkot bulge is one big advantage, giving us a host of military options. Both Offensive and defensive options.

With regards to IA peace locations, you are right. That is an inherent vulnerability.



And then here is where the force multipliers and PAF / IAF come in handy. If you are risking to close up your installations, then better is to guard them and the approaches leading to them with potent AD assets, backed up by good air interceptors.

@BL33D

What he's telling you - and me, and everyone with the wit to figure out what he cannot say out loud - is that the PAF and the PA and their independent Air Defence function have not exactly been sleeping on this, but have put in the long-range radar installations to detect IAF activity, the Surface-to-Air missile batteries to welcome incoming IAF sorties, and the interceptors and air bases to put up a robust defence in the air.

If you look at the locations of the principal PAF air bases, they are all hovering protectively over their Army clustered bases. Also, as pointed out, once their units are out and rolling, getting to the Shakargarh bulge is a doddle.

 

[PanzerKiel]

50 units of K9 means it enough to equip 2 SP Artillery Regiments complete, and 3/4 of another. Couple of pieces will have to to Artillery School as well for training purposes.

Options - 2 SP Artillery Regiments to 2 Armored Brigades (may it be of 1, 31 or 33 or of any RAPID (D) or RAPID(S), or of any IABs as well.)

With a weight of 47-50 tons, its critical requirement is availability of bridges. So in my opinion, its deployment in Western Command is least likely, since rivers and streams, crops all around may isolate it. Probably South Western Command (1 and 10 Corps).

My 2 cents.

IA will have to prioritise. In my opinion, main priority should go to the armored brigades of 1, 31 and 33 Armored Divisions. Not having SP artillery in an armored brigade is almost the same as not having tanks in an armored brigade. Both cannot live without each other.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Metallurgical engineering is there in NEDUET

If you say so. I have no accurate idea. I do know that we got where we did over decades of development.

 

[PanzerKiel]

How good are your defences in the Sindh sector. A very quick and heavy mobilisation in Sialkot sector could be retaliated by quick movement by the cores in south western sector to have sizeable gains. The terrain will only let you go ahead so far in sialkot region. Its a gamble.

Dear, its not that easy.
1st, defence in Sindh sector are well configured with regards to terrain. Its an almost 5-Division worth of force now. Armor component equals to more than a regular armored division.

Moreover, once mobilization is ordered, it will be ordered across the country, so formations of Sind sector will also move to take up defences. Its one and the same move everywhere.

 

[Joe Shearer]

IA will have to prioritise. In my opinion, main priority should go to the armored brigades of 1, 31 and 33 Armored Divisions. Not having SP artillery in an armored brigade is almost the same as not having tanks in an armored brigade. Both cannot live without each other.

And also needed is that contradiction in terms - the mobile air defence systems. Something a step beyond 12.7 mm machine guns, MANPADs or Schilkas.