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Fighting Hindu radicalism: Surviving as Muslim woman

Humanity has always lived and died for an ideology to assume it never did is false.
Ideologies began with settled civilizations. I believe homosexuality began with it too. There are no homosexuals in primitive tribes. The oldest self identified civilization is Sumerian which began around 7500 years ago. There maybe somewhat older one in Turkey but it was not a state civilization like Ur.
 
Ideologies began with settled civilizations. I believe homosexuality began with it too. There are no homosexuals in primitive tribes. The oldest self identified civilization is Sumerian which began around 7500 years ago. There maybe slightly older one in Turkey but it was not a state civilization like Ur.
I am not to sure about that tbh...
look up homosexuality in primitives tribes of SA, Africa, Papua etc
 
I am not to sure about that tbh...
look up homosexuality in primitives tribes of SA, Africa, Papua etc
I searched some years ago. There was no evidence for it. If there was we wouldn't need to look it up. It would be on dozens of nature documentaries and headlines on major media.
 
This is how I see it:
Ideology <---> Idol worship <---> Homosexuality.

It is not to say all ideologues are homosexuals, but the above are aspects of the same thing [Disbelief].

Belief is founded on Fitrah or the Natural state when coupled with faith.

Disbelief is based on Ego or the Self.

No book describes belief and disbelief better than the Quran. Our Creator knows us best.
 
Hypocritical statement!. Their will includes their ability to choose based on religion. Its their will to choose who they want to marry, of which religion, race, education background, personality type, looks etc. Who are you to impose on them who they SHOULD marry! Otherwise its oppression of women in India.

I said all indian boys and girls should be free to mingle with boys and girls of all religion , they should be free to get in secular educational institutes where they will get education togather , they should be free to marry in any religion , religion should not come in way of choosing partner. Only secular education will make this world beautiful.
You cannot impose yourself on family members, yet you think you can impose on non related people. This way of talking is not only you, but is because of nationalist ideologies. You are nobody's boss to talk to hundreds of millions that way. Solution is not imposition of your or anyone else's ideas on what other humans should do, but the practise of human rights and freedom.

Religion is dividing people , that is why i am advocating religion should take back seat , modern education and liberal views should come forward .
 
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intermarriage between religions are strictly prohibited, specially intermarriage between hindu/sikh, if some Muslim women married to non Ahele Katab they automatically out of Islam lol

We are secular liberal progressive country , we dont believe in two or three nation theory , people are free to marry in any religion . 20 crore muslims , 2 crore sikhs , budhist , jains , zorostrians live in india .
You will have to admit that the lines between Hindutva and Hinduism have slowly, and perhaps consciously become blurred. These lines have not become blurred by anyone else, but rather by Hindus themselves.

For example, in the US, there was a conference titled "Dismantling Hindutva". Those that opposed the conference, opposed it because they viewed it as an attack on Hinduism

Fascism does not just pass in a society. It is not a fad. There is a lot of blood letting before people realize what they have become.

You are supporter of two nation theory , you can not think good for my motherland .
What survive?? Muslim growth rate is highest in the country. To survive they need to breed less and make there economic condition better.. Rest carry on with your propaganda which even middle east don't buy anymore..

Muslim or hindu women , they all need liberation , they need education , freedom from religious talibans hindu or muslim .
 
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Religion is dividing people , that is why i am advocating religion should take back seat , modern education and liberal views should come forward .
You completely missed the point. Ideologies divide people, not religion, or being religious. I share home with Nepali Hindu without problem. Neither of us is ideological. You can use religion, secularism, or nationalism for political ideology. Can't fix an ideological imposition by another ideological imposition. One is not better than the other because they seek to deny people's rights.
 
at this point they should just do a ghar wapsi lol

Nah they should call 3 Khans. They will be able to help them out 😂
@pakpride00090

Notice the different reactions by Sainthood 101 (a Pakistani) and Bilal9 (a Bangladesh). Ek sympathize kar raha hai, ek un ki suffering ka mazaaq uraa raha hai.

Humare logo ne 1947 aur phir 1971 mein in jese khanzeer ke pillo ke liye qurbaani di. Pagal thay Bihari jo aise namak-haram Punjabi Sindhiyon ke liye maray. Woh bechara Bengali phir doosre Musalman ka dard samajh raha hai, inhe mazaaq sooj raha hai.

Aur @Sainthood 101 agar Indian Muslim larkiyon ko ghar wapsi ki salaah de raha hai, toh apni Kashmiriyon pilliyon ko bhi dena. Sharam nahi aati aise mazaaq banaate huay. Indian Muslim larkiyon se ziada teri Kashmiri pilliyon ko tagret kareinge woh Hindu lol

Why are u so mad?
 
Because they are impotent ba...ds

Same pattern all the time. Descending a dozen strong on a single guy, three people cat-calling a single college-girl and abducting her.

Andh-bhakts are just plain low-life cowards.

Sometimes Muslims will just disappear and not mess with these mobs, they are too many in number and in the majority. Once riots start, these andh-bhakt idiots have the upper hand because police backs them up and even helps them with logistics.

But Karma is a b*tch. Modi is getting payback now.

Notice recent Modi US visit and how no US official went to receive him at the airport. Only a few bhakt nutcases making noise.

Then he tried to do a "Indian behen-jee" thing with VP Kamala and she gave him a backhanded slap about "treating minorities with equal respect"... :lol:
 
As usual another subject derailed.

The existence of this disgusting website Sulli Deals is the result of a combination of factors:
  1. Misogyny
  2. Religious hatred
  3. Insecurity

Sulli Deals and 'Love Jihad' go hand in hand. Hindu men (and even some Christian and Dalit men) have for long have felt that the dice is loaded in favour of Muslim from a sanction perspective. What this means is that Hindu/Christian girls find it easy to marry outside their religion but for Muslim girls it is almost impossible unless the family is very liberal. Historically Hindu men have avoided courting Muslim girls for various reasons. These are:

  1. Very few Muslim women in social circles (school, college, university, workplace) as compared to Muslim men.
  2. Even if there are some, they keep to themselves and outside work hours they do not mingle with men from other communities
  3. Fear among Hindu men that they will be attacked / killed by the family of the muslim girl. Long before internet this was true in lower income families in north India, decades before 'Love Jihad' gained currency.
  4. Muslim girl was unlikely to convert, hence a potential friction point in the future.

In this backdrop, some low life right wing Hindus decided to 'get even' in the virtual world. Obviously since you cannot marry in the virtual world, what do you do? You do mock buying and selling of Muslim girls, to feel as if you 'own' them. What do insecure people who cannot be in a relationship with a girl or a marriage do? They buy sex in a brothel. The inability to court muslim women in a real relationship results in such sick creations like Sulli Deals where these low lives get revenge as a Man and as a Hindu.

One cannot ignore patriarchy while discussing such subjects. The willingness (or at least tolerance) to allow your boys to marry girls from other communities, but prohibiting girls to do so comes from a sense of ownership of women. Of treating them as property. This is applicable to all communities in Asia, not just South Asia.
 
but people do that everywhere, everytime. any opposition to extremism, bigotry, violence is seen as an attack on the system as a whole, for the extremists they're the true believers, the real holders of the faith and tradition. this is true for any religion, and many ideologies.


it doesn't have to be that way, with an explosive end. what is happening, is not unique through time and space. I've faith in the idea of the India. we, and many others, have been through worse. fascism cannot take over.

The US has laws against fascism and will prosecute those who believe in fascism or wish to propagate fascist principles.

If you are Indian origin Hindu person, and are members of any fascist organization in India (RSS and its US arm, HSS are de-facto fascist organizations), then sooner or later they will come for you. There is no ifs, buts or doubts about it.

FBI is already watching RSS and its member organizations in the US, who are actively trying to muzzle dissent and constructive discourse about the threat of Hindutva bigotry (as fascism) in India. Those responsible for organizing protests against the conference (in Typical Indian "Ishtyle") have been put on a short FBI watch-list I'm sure.

Especially those idiots who tried to threaten the organizers of that conference on dismantling Hindutva using cellphone or social media threats.

Whatcha gonna do when they come for you, gerua bad boy?? :lol:

Bunch of Ullus.

This is not India. law and order people don't sit around watching paint dry...
 
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What survive?? Muslim growth rate is highest in the country. To survive they need to breed less and make there economic condition better.. Rest carry on with your propaganda which even middle east don't buy anymore..


may be if Prajeets were not working in a condom factory.....
 

Fighting Hindu radicalism: Surviving as Muslim woman
AFREEN FATIMA
Targeted online harassment or in-speech aggressions against Muslim women however is not an uncommon episode

In the name of Allah. The usage of this small prayer of remembering God before starting anything in the Islamic faith is an attempt and an intentional assertion. An attempt to normalise the presence of my faith in public spaces. An intentional assertion of my being, my existence, myself, a Muslim and a woman.
On the intervening night of 4th and 5th July 2021, more than 80 Muslim Women, including myself were doxed, borderline trafficked, and auctioned on an open-source website ‘Sulli Deals’ hosted by Git hub. A hate crime against women of the Muslim community. I am sure many must already know of this. But from the many who knew of this only a few spoke about it. And from the few who spoke about it, only a few understood the central identity that was attacked with the creation of that website.
Identifying the centrality of Muslimness in the creation of the website and the subsequent auction of Muslim women is extremely important because this incident did not happen in isolation. There have been many instances of violent attacks that the Muslim community has faced and survived. One can chart it back to the formation of RSS (Rashtriya Swamsevak Sangh), to the creation of the ‘Muslim’ other when the Indian state came into existence, to the anti-Muslim pogroms; to Gujarat 2002, to Delhi 2020, to the everyday persecution, otherization, humiliation, and dehumanisation that the Muslim community has been subjected to.
The radicalised Hindu ecosystem is inherently anti-Muslim and has an increasing acceptance of the Hindu majority. Extremely violent hate speeches against the Muslim community have been normalised, from ministers of the parliament to the next-door Hindu neighbour, everyone enjoys a power backed impunity that enables them to be violently Islamophobic. It is the same sentiment and impunity that led to the auction of Muslim Women on Eid on a YouTube live and the recent creation of a website where Hindu men could find their “deal of the day”. Muslim women have been an object that can be sexualized to demean and further humiliate the Muslim community. In 2019, when article 370 was abrogated, revoking the special status of Kashmir, ministers of the ruling political dispensation gave statements about finally being able to marry white-skinned Kashmiri Muslim Women. This sexualization happens against the backdrop of anti-Muslim hatred, misogyny, and sexism.
Nothing Happens in Isolation
On the afternoon of 04 July, many heard the news of a Mahapanchayat at Pataudi, Haryana by Hindu nationalists. Rambhakt Gopal, who had earlier fired at protesting students of Jamia Millia Islamia, injuring one of the students during the anti-CAA protests, gave a speech at the said Mahapanchayat, calling for the abduction of Muslim women. “Arey tum Salma ko lekar to aao”, he said and the crowd of thousands cheered. Not a single word of his speech was not outrageous or extremely inflammatory.
Later at night, the ‘sulli deals’ website came into light, that had stolen pictures of Muslim women from their social media handles and auctioned them. It was nothing less than online trafficking. The website might have been live way before 04 July, but its contents only came to public light and on social media after that speech. It is unfair to not see both as connected and part of the same problem. It is the impunity, audacity, and support with which Gopal spoke that strengthened the Hind men, who may or may not have indulged in the dealings of that website earlier, to publicly post their ‘deals’. The Mahapanchayat and the website, both display the violent manifestation of Islamophobia, received little or no condemnation. Any outrage over both was by the Muslim community, which here is the targeted community.
These are just two examples from a non-exhaustive list of examples of hate crimes directed at the Muslim community in India. It is imperative that we understand that from the utterance of slurs like ‘Sulli’, by someone who would probably be seen as an insignificant faceless fringe to violent actions of beheading and lynching of Muslims, again by some insignificant faceless fringe, are all linked and are not happening in isolation. It is also imperative to note here itself that this fringe is very much the mainstream. It is almost impossible to divorce BJP’s electoral wins from the mass radicalisation of the Hindu majority.
Violent Otherization through Social Media Ecosystem
Social media has been made a huge medium for sharing politically charged content that is anti-Muslim in nature. This content generally contributes to opinion building. Images are created and circulated to incite feelings of hatred. Thus, this consumption of images and videos which are violent in nature, whether the violence is overtly displayed or it is shown through broken bodies. Similar is the manner in which videos of lynchings are shared extensively on social media, with people deriving power and pleasure out of the sharing of brutal images. Pehlu Khan’s video of being lynched or Shambhu Lal Regar’s video of burning a Muslim man alive was shared widely among networks. By viewing these videos, the audience invariably participates in such events. The act or performance of lynching and murder is succeeded by multiple violations as the video circulates. This is an example of how various media technologies and platforms enable in performing the victimisation of marginalised bodies, here Muslim bodies.
In addition, there is a systematic deliberate circulation of such images and videos to give a larger message of political support. Where the perpetrators do not hide their crimes but in fact pride over it and leave live videos on their social media, which is then circulated, and the perpetrator has seen an avenger of Hindu dharma. This has become an industry of hate that incentivises these crimes against Muslims, the more anti-Muslim you are the more legitimacy and acceptance you will have within the Hindu majority. For instance, the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh, Ajay Singh Bisht, who was once considered a fringe criminal is now the Chief Minister of the most populous state in India. Many such examples can be traced to Hindus deriving power and popularity.
The ‘sulli deals’ website is a kind of violence inflicted on our already marginalised bodies. Muslim women are only seen as bodies that should satisfy the lustful male gaze of Hindu men. The photos as it gets shared renders us without any agency, our privacy is violated, and a sense of powerlessness comes into play. Many Twitter handles claimed ownership of the app deriving power from the act itself.
WhatsApp-Image-2021-10-05-at-6.44.46-PM-1024x683.jpeg
Photo: Thoufeeq K
The distance and anonymity of being the unobserved observer give the viewers superiority over that which is exposed, while rendering them completely powerless to affect the events on screen but also in other ways, giving them a certain ability to act and participate in the consumption of such an act, which is akin, as said earlier, to a repetition of the act. In this context, technology does not facilitate the loss of the identity, but provides validation to the voyeur, of seeing his imagination on screen in the vulnerable de-humanised subject of violence. Islamophobia or even misogyny or sexism on social media is a part of this system which creates a discourse that further creates a collective behaviour of a society.
Three Complete Months
Three months on, after repetitive outrage, complaints about legal action, national and international media coverage, Muslim women are well aware that there might never be an end to this terrorising sexualization. A number of offline and online complaints have been registered but no action, investigation, arrests have happened so far. My online complaint at the cyber cell has been “closed” without the police reaching out even once. We, Muslim woman, risk our lives every time we step out, we risk our lives every time we write a tweet or post on Facebook, but we simply refuse to be cowed down.
Still, many from the majority who disapprove of such acts of violence, consider only the BJP/RSS as the problem. The problem with this is that they are not just downplaying the mass radicalisation that manifests itself everyday but also infantilising the Hindu majority. BJP/RSS may be the source of hatred against the Muslim community but this hate has been seeded so deep within that it has become difficult to differentiate between those who actively perpetuate (Hindutva) and those who silently approve (Hinduism). Silence at the time of oppression is approval and participation. Token solidarities find their way to us but unless and until the Hindu majority collectively decides a course correct, rejects the hate and otherization, and actively deradicalizes within, such incidents of hate and violence will not stop.

Muslim women are sexual game for the Sanghis that’s a well known fact. The Muslim female is seen as sexual reward for the mobs when they attack, many during the Gujarat riots stated the motivation to attack was to get their hands on pretty Muslim girls.
Horrible cowardly ba$tards.
 

Fighting Hindu radicalism: Surviving as Muslim woman
AFREEN FATIMA
Targeted online harassment or in-speech aggressions against Muslim women however is not an uncommon episode

In the name of Allah. The usage of this small prayer of remembering God before starting anything in the Islamic faith is an attempt and an intentional assertion. An attempt to normalise the presence of my faith in public spaces. An intentional assertion of my being, my existence, myself, a Muslim and a woman.
On the intervening night of 4th and 5th July 2021, more than 80 Muslim Women, including myself were doxed, borderline trafficked, and auctioned on an open-source website ‘Sulli Deals’ hosted by Git hub. A hate crime against women of the Muslim community. I am sure many must already know of this. But from the many who knew of this only a few spoke about it. And from the few who spoke about it, only a few understood the central identity that was attacked with the creation of that website.
Identifying the centrality of Muslimness in the creation of the website and the subsequent auction of Muslim women is extremely important because this incident did not happen in isolation. There have been many instances of violent attacks that the Muslim community has faced and survived. One can chart it back to the formation of RSS (Rashtriya Swamsevak Sangh), to the creation of the ‘Muslim’ other when the Indian state came into existence, to the anti-Muslim pogroms; to Gujarat 2002, to Delhi 2020, to the everyday persecution, otherization, humiliation, and dehumanisation that the Muslim community has been subjected to.
The radicalised Hindu ecosystem is inherently anti-Muslim and has an increasing acceptance of the Hindu majority. Extremely violent hate speeches against the Muslim community have been normalised, from ministers of the parliament to the next-door Hindu neighbour, everyone enjoys a power backed impunity that enables them to be violently Islamophobic. It is the same sentiment and impunity that led to the auction of Muslim Women on Eid on a YouTube live and the recent creation of a website where Hindu men could find their “deal of the day”. Muslim women have been an object that can be sexualized to demean and further humiliate the Muslim community. In 2019, when article 370 was abrogated, revoking the special status of Kashmir, ministers of the ruling political dispensation gave statements about finally being able to marry white-skinned Kashmiri Muslim Women. This sexualization happens against the backdrop of anti-Muslim hatred, misogyny, and sexism.
Nothing Happens in Isolation
On the afternoon of 04 July, many heard the news of a Mahapanchayat at Pataudi, Haryana by Hindu nationalists. Rambhakt Gopal, who had earlier fired at protesting students of Jamia Millia Islamia, injuring one of the students during the anti-CAA protests, gave a speech at the said Mahapanchayat, calling for the abduction of Muslim women. “Arey tum Salma ko lekar to aao”, he said and the crowd of thousands cheered. Not a single word of his speech was not outrageous or extremely inflammatory.
Later at night, the ‘sulli deals’ website came into light, that had stolen pictures of Muslim women from their social media handles and auctioned them. It was nothing less than online trafficking. The website might have been live way before 04 July, but its contents only came to public light and on social media after that speech. It is unfair to not see both as connected and part of the same problem. It is the impunity, audacity, and support with which Gopal spoke that strengthened the Hind men, who may or may not have indulged in the dealings of that website earlier, to publicly post their ‘deals’. The Mahapanchayat and the website, both display the violent manifestation of Islamophobia, received little or no condemnation. Any outrage over both was by the Muslim community, which here is the targeted community.
These are just two examples from a non-exhaustive list of examples of hate crimes directed at the Muslim community in India. It is imperative that we understand that from the utterance of slurs like ‘Sulli’, by someone who would probably be seen as an insignificant faceless fringe to violent actions of beheading and lynching of Muslims, again by some insignificant faceless fringe, are all linked and are not happening in isolation. It is also imperative to note here itself that this fringe is very much the mainstream. It is almost impossible to divorce BJP’s electoral wins from the mass radicalisation of the Hindu majority.
Violent Otherization through Social Media Ecosystem
Social media has been made a huge medium for sharing politically charged content that is anti-Muslim in nature. This content generally contributes to opinion building. Images are created and circulated to incite feelings of hatred. Thus, this consumption of images and videos which are violent in nature, whether the violence is overtly displayed or it is shown through broken bodies. Similar is the manner in which videos of lynchings are shared extensively on social media, with people deriving power and pleasure out of the sharing of brutal images. Pehlu Khan’s video of being lynched or Shambhu Lal Regar’s video of burning a Muslim man alive was shared widely among networks. By viewing these videos, the audience invariably participates in such events. The act or performance of lynching and murder is succeeded by multiple violations as the video circulates. This is an example of how various media technologies and platforms enable in performing the victimisation of marginalised bodies, here Muslim bodies.
In addition, there is a systematic deliberate circulation of such images and videos to give a larger message of political support. Where the perpetrators do not hide their crimes but in fact pride over it and leave live videos on their social media, which is then circulated, and the perpetrator has seen an avenger of Hindu dharma. This has become an industry of hate that incentivises these crimes against Muslims, the more anti-Muslim you are the more legitimacy and acceptance you will have within the Hindu majority. For instance, the Chief Minister of Uttar Pradesh, Ajay Singh Bisht, who was once considered a fringe criminal is now the Chief Minister of the most populous state in India. Many such examples can be traced to Hindus deriving power and popularity.
The ‘sulli deals’ website is a kind of violence inflicted on our already marginalised bodies. Muslim women are only seen as bodies that should satisfy the lustful male gaze of Hindu men. The photos as it gets shared renders us without any agency, our privacy is violated, and a sense of powerlessness comes into play. Many Twitter handles claimed ownership of the app deriving power from the act itself.
WhatsApp-Image-2021-10-05-at-6.44.46-PM-1024x683.jpeg
Photo: Thoufeeq K
The distance and anonymity of being the unobserved observer give the viewers superiority over that which is exposed, while rendering them completely powerless to affect the events on screen but also in other ways, giving them a certain ability to act and participate in the consumption of such an act, which is akin, as said earlier, to a repetition of the act. In this context, technology does not facilitate the loss of the identity, but provides validation to the voyeur, of seeing his imagination on screen in the vulnerable de-humanised subject of violence. Islamophobia or even misogyny or sexism on social media is a part of this system which creates a discourse that further creates a collective behaviour of a society.
Three Complete Months
Three months on, after repetitive outrage, complaints about legal action, national and international media coverage, Muslim women are well aware that there might never be an end to this terrorising sexualization. A number of offline and online complaints have been registered but no action, investigation, arrests have happened so far. My online complaint at the cyber cell has been “closed” without the police reaching out even once. We, Muslim woman, risk our lives every time we step out, we risk our lives every time we write a tweet or post on Facebook, but we simply refuse to be cowed down.
Still, many from the majority who disapprove of such acts of violence, consider only the BJP/RSS as the problem. The problem with this is that they are not just downplaying the mass radicalisation that manifests itself everyday but also infantilising the Hindu majority. BJP/RSS may be the source of hatred against the Muslim community but this hate has been seeded so deep within that it has become difficult to differentiate between those who actively perpetuate (Hindutva) and those who silently approve (Hinduism). Silence at the time of oppression is approval and participation. Token solidarities find their way to us but unless and until the Hindu majority collectively decides a course correct, rejects the hate and otherization, and actively deradicalizes within, such incidents of hate and violence will not stop.

If Indian Muslims do not pick up AK-47s and demand another State where you will be free.... You will be victims for life. There is no honor in subjugation and appeasement.
 
We are secular liberal progressive country , we dont believe in two or three nation theory , people are free to marry in any religion . 20 crore muslims , 2 crore sikhs , budhist , jains , zorostrians live in india
You may be atheist but lots of people believe in God Or many Gods, if Muslim girl try to marry non Muslim then what about her kids are they become a Muslim or something else or become atheist?
 
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