[Fight For Future] Su-35S vs F-15X

[Ultima Thule]

F-15X is no F-15SE. It's basically a single seat version of F-15SA/QA/IA. It don't even have composite. Su-35S has composite and RAM, on top of that Su-27 has much less RCS than F-15. Su-35S has a small fraction of the RCS of proposed F-15X.

As far as the F-15X’s specifications, Rogoway’s “sources describe the aircraft as a single seat variant of the latest F-15 advanced Strike Eagle derivative—the F-15QA destined for Qatar—but it will also integrate many of the features and upgrades that the USAF intends (or intended as it may be) to include on its nearly four-decade-old F-15C/D fleet.”

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...strike-eagle-steroids-here-what-we-know-27767

@pakistanipower

don't repeat your this crap again and again, F-15X only proposed fighter, if the USAF accept this proposal than we see datailed information on F-15X, rwe both are just assuming so get a life @undertakerwwefan

Maybe so, but nothing on Earth comes close to a black hole. A black leather bag is only a few degrees C hotter than a white plastic bag on a hot summer day under direct sunlight. You think RAM can absorb more than 50% of incoming radio? I don't think so.

You twit i am not talking of simple plastic treated plastic or Carbon on it you damn fool troller @undertakerwwefan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fiber_reinforced_polymer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforced_carbon–carbon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibre-reinforced_plastic

read it all i posted link you brain fart, and the stealth jet also have a classified stealth materials coatings onto the Carbon reinforced plastic you paranoid troller @undertakerwwefan

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

don't repeat your this crap again and again, F-15X only proposed fighter, if the USAF accept this proposal than we see datailed information on F-15X, rwe both are just assuming so get a life @undertakerwwefan


You twit i am not talking of simple plastic treated plastic or Carbon on it you damn fool troller @undertakerwwefan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_fiber_reinforced_polymer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinforced_carbon–carbon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibre-reinforced_plastic

read it all i posted link you brain fart, and the stealth jet also have a classified stealth materials coatings onto the Carbon reinforced plastic you paranoid troller @undertakerwwefan

The best solar panel can only absorb less than 20% of incoming visible light. No way RAM can absorb more than 50% of incoming radio. Maybe 20% tops. F-22 still has more RCS than a person's RCS 1 m^2, even though F-22 has RAM, due to its large size and large surface area.

 

[Frostbite]

Not much IR reduction, as proven by IR sensor. F-22 is proven to be not stealthy in the visible spectrum, not stealthy to be in the IR spectrum, its marketers claim it has about the RCS of a marble in the radio spectrum. I call that BS. All that aluminum and titanium make its RCS bigger than that of a person which has about a 1 m^2 RCS even with the application of RAM which BTW does not magically absorb 100% of incoming radio. Heck, even black hole does not absorb 99.99% of incoming visible light and you think RAM can absorb 100% of incoming radio? I call that bull.

@pakistanipower

The only reason that this marble nonsense came out was because The Discovery Channel was doing a piece on the F-22 and they wanted a ballpark figure on what size the F-22 was on radar. US officials just came up with "the size of a marble". This was mainly for kids consumption. But then the pseudo expert community tried to turn this marble comment into an actual RCS number which is laughable.

Fact is, the RCS is classified for the F-22 and su 57. RCS is not magic. There is no way that the F-22 is a standard deviation+ smaller than the su 57. Anyone who thinks this has no concept of what stealth is. Stealth is no different than speed. Saying the F-22 is 500% smaller than the su 57 (when the su 57 is actually smaller physically) is as crazy as saying the Concorde was 500% faster than the Concordski because of X Y and Z.

The IR signature is not related to RCS

The F-22 has a tail design that reduces heat signature, but also increases RCS

The F-22 is probably more than twice as fat as the su 57

 

[Ultima Thule]

The best solar panel can only absorb less than 20% of incoming visible light. No way RAM can absorb more than 50% of incoming radio. Maybe 20% tops. F-22 still has more RCS than a person's RCS 1 m^2, even though F-22 has RAM, due to its large size and large surface area.

you crap head solar is not for stealth purpose, don't bring your crap against visible spectrum, F-22 is build for hideing from radio spectrum you insane, and visble light have different properties than radio waves you paranoid @undertakerwwefan your retard disease has no cure @undertakerwwefan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_wave
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

you crap head solar is not for stealth purpose, don't bring your crap against visible spectrum, F-22 is build for hideing from radio spectrum you insane, and visble light have different properties than radio waves you paranoid @undertakerwwefan your retard disease has no cure @undertakerwwefan
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_wave
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Light

Solar panel works like RAM. Solar panel absorbs visible light to turn to heat for electricity. RAM absorbs radio to turn to heat. If solar panel cannot achieve 20% efficiency, you think RAM can achieve 90% efficiency? I call that bull shit.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Solar panel works like RAM. Solar panel absorbs visible light to turn to heat for electricity. RAM absorbs radio to turn to heat. If solar panel cannot achieve 20% efficiency, you think RAM can achieve 90% efficiency? I call that bull shit.

you have a dog shit in your head unseated of brain @undertakerwwefan , those heat is drain through the engine you bull shit @undertakerwwefan and this is not new technology, first it is used in SR-71 you bull shit @undertakerwwefan

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

you have a dog shit in your head unseated of brain @undertakerwwefan , those heat is drain through the engine you bull shit @undertakerwwefan and this is not new technology, first it is used in SR-71 you bull shit @undertakerwwefan

Go suck your America butt you racist. You are only racist to Russia because Russia is a white country. You are a big fat racist. You are racist to white people. That's why you diss Russia planes.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Go suck your America butt you racist. You are only racist to Russia because Russia is a white country. You are a big fat racist. You are racist to white people. That's why you diss Russia planes.

so you lose argument @undertakerwwefan to getting into personal insult @undertakerwwefan Firstly i am not white but from Pakistan @undertakerwwefan and Secondly i stated a facts you're beloved Su-57 is good enough to counter only 4/4.5th gen jets like countering jets like EF-2000,RAFALE,Grippan,F-16/F15 but in the front of F-22 & f-35 your beloved Su-57 goes down the drain @undertakerwwefan

 

[Yongpeng Sun-Tastaufen]

Secondly i stated a facts you're beloved Su-57 is good enough to counter only 4/4.5th gen jets like countering jets like EF-2000,RAFALE,Grippan,F-16/F15 but in the front of F-22 & f-35 your beloved Su-57 goes down the drain

First. You have no facts. You have rants. Second. This thread is not about Su-57 and F-22. This thread is about Su-35 and F-15.

 

[blackuday]

you know what is you talking about @blackuday Heat/IR signature are the same term @blackuday
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_signature

and please explain your last sentence, if F-22 can reduce IR/Heat signature, then why it can't reduce its RCS from the rear at the same time @blackuday

First of all F-22 is made of aluminium/titanium metals, F-22 is being built carbon reinforced plastic and other composite materials that can scattered/absorbed radar waves, treated titanium or treated composite metals is used in only engine compartments @undertakerwwefan

and yes black hole does absorbed more than 99% of light, the only way tow detect black hole is emitting X-rays by falling material into the black hole and movement of stars near the black hole @undertakerwwefan

and your posted video worth nothing it was from an airshow when F-22 flies 100 to 400-500 feet, at this altitude every fighter jet become visible whether its stealth or not and show its IR signature, but actual air to air combat happens in the altitude of 30-40,000 feet where F-22 can hide its radar/IR RCS from the radar/IRST @undertakerwwefan goo do some research before you bark @undertakerwwefan

The physical size of the F-22 is very large
It exposes many rear RCs, stealth nozzle can not use the RAM, they will shake off when the F-22 operated exhaust

 

[Ultima Thule]

The physical size of the F-22 is very large
It exposes many rear RCs, stealth nozzle can not use the RAM, they will shake off when the F-22 operated exhaust

You're just troll who know nothing about aviation but spiting nonsense in every thread, in flight nozzles is not that position and how do know that these nozzle don't use RAM you paranoid @blackuday

 

[blackuday]

You're just troll who know nothing about aviation but spiting nonsense in every thread, in flight nozzles is not that position and how do know that these nozzle don't use RAM you paranoid @blackuday

Do you have any evidence that the F-22 nozzle is covered with RAM? link ! source ?

 

[Ultima Thule]

Do you have any evidence that the F-22 nozzle is covered with RAM? link ! source ?

Do you have any evidence that the F-22 nozzle is covered with RAM? link ! source ?

First you provide you proof that F-22's nozzles is not using RAM @blackuday , there si lot of classified information on F-22 that we don't know, if F-22 nozzles don't have a RAM but still have low RCS to your beloved Su-57 @blackuday

 

[blackuday]

First you provide you proof that F-22's nozzles is not using RAM @blackuday , there si lot of classified information on F-22 that we don't know, if F-22 nozzles don't have a RAM but still have low RCS to your beloved Su-57 @blackuday

RAM can work when the heat source radiated? Do you have any evidence that the F-22 nozzle is covered with RAM? link ! source ?

 

[Ultima Thule]

RAM can work when the heat source radiated? Do you have any evidence that the F-22 nozzle is covered with RAM? link ! source ?

I already told you you paranoid lot of classified information that we don't know in F-22 project, if nozzles not using RAM, its still have better RCS than your beloved Su-57 @blackuday have you a comprehension problem @blackuday