Feeling sorry for Iran? Not me

[Avicenna]

Arabs provided us free oil during sanctions when we placed nukes on fields...Just because they don't fight on grounds, doesn't mean they don't support us diplomatically or financially..

If you think for a second that Kushner/Trump have good intentions for the Arabs with this whole US-Saudi reapproachment, you are mistaken. The Saudi leadership are self serving short sighted fools. And surely the US has some sort of hidden motive as it always does.

Also here domestically, just a few days after dancing with the kings with their swords etc etc..and all that other bullshit. Rex Tillerson declines having any formal event celebrating Ramadan at the State Department.

I don't understand why Muslim governments are so stupid.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Arabs provided us free oil during sanctions when we placed nukes on fields...Just because they don't fight on grounds, doesn't mean they don't support us diplomatically or financially..

The Arab countries also support Pakistan diplomatically through OIC.

I was pro-Pakistan myself, But on the second thoughts, I think we should stay neutral in this Pakistan-India-China rivalry, We better keep all of our options open.

Why is Iran such an enemy of Saudi Arabia?

It puzzles me.

Iran also backed out of the Islamic military alliance.

So Iran is playing its Shia identity quite loudly.

 

[Serpentine]

Why is Iran such an enemy of Saudi Arabia?

It puzzles me.

Why is Saudi Arabia such an enemy of Iran?

It puzzles me.

 

[Kabira]

Why is Saudi Arabia such an enemy of Iran?

It puzzles me.

What puzzles me even more is why in god's name Iran is enemy of USA and Israrel? It doesn't make one bit of sense. In modern world countries are enemies over border disputes but for Iran it looks like mullahs needed eternal bogymen to keep themselves relevant.

 

[KediKesenFare3]

Competition, hatred and sectarianism didn't change anything for the better in the ME.

We need to try a different approach in our relationship with Iran. Being more empathic, more friendly and more understanding is an option we didn't try so far. Let's follow this particular path just once.

We have to accept that they feel cornered, which I can understand at least to some degree. Furthermore, I am convinced that the Iranian folk wants to be accepted as an equal member of the ummah from the rest of the Muslim world.

We must implement confidence building measures.

 

[Arsalan 345]

Americans are just using this coalition to fight against Iran.the real motive of america is not to attack Iran directly.it will use this coalition to attack iran.in this way,Israel and america will be safe in the entire war and that's exactly America and Israel wants.it's a master plan.Iran on the other hand is on self destructive path. With so many proxies on all fronts, Iran hardly survive any attack from this coalition.this is to dominate and to tell Iran once for all that Arab can win it's own war against Iran.it's very bad for Iran.Iran must halt support for Assad.Iran is in serious trouble but they are not realizing the unforeseen circumstances.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

I was pro-Pakistan myself, But on the second thoughts, I think we should stay neutral in this Pakistan-India-China rivalry, We better keep all of our options open.

What an individual thinks doesnt matter.

What matters is the states decisions,policies.

Your country is already neutral on kashmir?

Pakistan hasnt done anything anti iran, neither sent troops to yemen and remained neutral on syria.

You have issues with Pak joining the coalition? Yet you have no issues partnering with india (the largest importer of israeli arms).

Strange world we live in.

Americans are just using this coalition to fight against Iran.the real motive of america is not to attack Iran directly.it will use this coalition to attack iran.in this way,Israel and america will be safe in the entire war and that's exactly America and Israel wants.it's a master plan.Iran on the other hand is on self destructive path. With so many proxies on all fronts, Iran hardly survive any attack from this coalition.this is to dominate and to tell Iran once for all that Arab can win it's own war against Iran.it's very bad for Iran.Iran must halt support for Assad.Iran is in serious trouble but they are not realizing the unforeseen circumstances.

Saudis poke yemen and bahrain.

Iranis poke syria.

None has a moral high ground !

 

[Avicenna]

You know what would be great. How about a strong Saudi Arabia AND a strong Iran. And for that matter a strong Pakistan. And a strong Turkey. No fighting amongst each other. Rather being self sufficient and being able to resist the bullshit interference from external powers in their affairs. That requires stepping back from this ridiculous divide and conquer situation and re-assessing what is REALLY going on.

 

[Asghar1234]

Americans are just using this coalition to fight against Iran.the real motive of america is not to attack Iran directly.it will use this coalition to attack iran.in this way,Israel and america will be safe in the entire war and that's exactly America and Israel wants.it's a master plan.Iran on the other hand is on self destructive path. With so many proxies on all fronts, Iran hardly survive any attack from this coalition.this is to dominate and to tell Iran once for all that Arab can win it's own war against Iran.it's very bad for Iran.Iran must halt support for Assad.Iran is in serious trouble but they are not realizing the unforeseen circumstances.

OK.

 

[Cthulhu]

What an individual thinks doesnt matter.

What matters is the states decisions,policies.

Your country is already neutral on kashmir?

Pakistan hasnt done anything anti iran, neither sent troops to yemen and remained neutral on syria.

You have issues with Pak joining the coalition? Yet you have no issues partnering with india (the largest importer of israeli arms).

Strange world we live in.

I just was speaking on behalf of myself. Our official policy is being neutral in Pakistan-India-China rivalry, our government even made a 50-50 partnership between Chinese and Indians in Chabahar investments as a precondition too. You see, back in the Shah era the had Americans as one of our options, so we had a great maneuverability in our foreign policy and we had a pro-Pakistan stance back then, But now we have lost Americans as an option, I wouldn't count on Russians either, cause they were the biggest backstabbers in the history of our nation, Chinese wouldn't take a side either, cause they wanna sell their weapons to both sides, so that only leaves Pakistan and India. And i was thinking that the vast majority of Pakistanis have a positive view on Iran and your government stayed neutral in Syria and Yemen and Bahrain and etc too, so i thought if we take a pro-Pakistan stance, they are gonna take a pro-Iran stance in response, But now i'm not sure anymore and think we shouldn't limit our options further and stay neutral in this rivalry, as our government is already doing.

 

[MultaniGuy]

I just was speaking on behalf of myself. Our official policy is being neutral in Pakistan-India-China rivalry, our government even made a 50-50 partnership between Chinese and Indians in Chabahar investments as a precondition too. You see, back in the Shah era the had Americans as one of our options, so we had a great maneuverability in our foreign policy and we had a pro-Pakistan stance back then, But now we have lost Americans as an option, I wouldn't count on Russians either, cause they were the biggest backstabbers in the history of our nation, Chinese wouldn't take a side either, cause they wanna sell their weapons to both sides, so that only leaves Pakistan and India. And i was thinking that the vast majority of Pakistanis have a positive view on Iran and your government stayed neutral in Syria and Yemen and Bahrain and etc too, so i thought if we take a pro-Pakistan stance, they are gonna take a pro-Iran stance in response, But now i'm not sure anymore and think we shouldn't limit our options further and stay neutral in this rivalry, as our government is doing now.

Iran was much better during the Shah era.

 

[Verve]

Iranians know that Pakistan didn't join the alliance to fight against them. And when the time comes, Iran will fights with us against Kufar (read Hindu) and not these other ME arabs. That's some time away but relations will be mended fully by then.

Right now Iran needs to mute their support of factions that are fueling the fires in ME. There's an urgent need of bigger menace of ISIS like organisations that needs to be demolished hence Pak joining the alliance.

They've got their own set of problems and agendas but we should assure them that we are not against them and that they should also review their policies of fueling fires and not let their soil be used against Pakistan.

Mullah of Iran is not stupid. Sometimes a firm stance is required to bring another down to land and that's fine.

 

[MultaniGuy]

Iranians know that Pakistan didn't join the alliance to fight against them. And when the time comes, Iran will fights with us against Kufar (read Hindu) and not these other ME arabs. That's some time away but relations will be mended fully by then.

Right now Iran needs to mute their support of factions that are fueling the fires in ME. There's an urgent need of bigger menace of ISIS like organisations that needs to be demolished hence Pak joining the alliance.

They've got their own set of problems and agendas but we should assure them that we are not against them and that they should also receive their policies of fueling fires and not let their soil be used against Pakistan.

Mullah of Iran is not stupid. Sometimes a firm stance is required to bring another down to land and that's fine.

The Mullahs of Iran are stupid.

Why are they the enemy of USA?

THe Mullahs of Saudi Arabia are much more wiser than the Mullahs of Iran.

 

[Verve]

The Mullahs of Iran are stupid.

Why are they the enemy of USA?

THe Mullahs of Saudi Arabia are much more wiser than the Mullahs of Iran.

If they were that stupid, they would have collapsed as Iraq did with similar resources. Do not underestimate them my friend. They are a clever bunch and their survival instinct is strong.

 

[Mamluk]

And i was thinking that the vast majority of Pakistanis have a positive view on Iran and your government stayed neutral in Syria and Yemen and Bahrain and etc too, so i thought if we take a pro-Pakistan stance, they are gonna take a pro-Iran stance in response, But now i'm not sure anymore and think we shouldn't limit our options further and stay neutral in this rivalry, as our government is already doing.

Well obviously if any Muslim country takes a pro-Pakistan stance officially and it's visible to the Pakistani people, it will be reciprocated. But all that is visible to Pakistanis right now is Iran vetoing Kashmir related resolution in OIC, Iran ratting us out to the world (nuclear tech transfer), Iran hosting RAW agent Kulbushan and some random Iranian general threatening military action against Pakistan.