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I know the difference between displacement mass and normal mass, I don't need your help.
It seems to me you have difficulty understanding simple facts. I told you what the naval cammander said you want something "independently verifiable". If the commnder words are enough, then your problem is something else. First you claim the ship has a tonnage of 3000-3759 because of the scale of the helicopter compared to the ship
and now you're trying to compare another small (but large mockup) to the sahand. Even if it is true that the fully loaded mass if 7500 ton and it has a non loaded mass of 5500, that is still about 1700 more than what you "claimed".
Maybe you should just sit back quietly until it comes out then we can talk further because right now, you're acting like a arrogant child. Stop taking the mockups to scale. I take the word of the commander over your attempts at an "evaluation".
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The SC This guy seems to be just too arrogant and lacking common sensibility to chat to. Shall we take his world over the Iranian naval commander?
Who's being arrogant now?
1. The information on deadweight, displacement etc wasn't necessarily intended for you. It is a forum, there are other readers, who may or may not appreciate the differences.
2. Trust but verify is a good adagium imho. If you want to blindly trust officials and not think for yourself, be my guest.
3. I claimed a decent frigate size, and I still do, so no need for quotes. I did so based on the size of the helicopter decks. You can laught about the helicopter for all I care, but there are plenty of other reference items available: 40mm, radars, missile boxes, doors in the superstructure. Which you conveniently ignore.
4. It would be difficult to compare with anything other than a model for a ship that hasn't been built yet, wouldn't you agree? If you have pics of Loghman, please do post.
5. I haven't claimed 7500 tons, I did show you what a warship of that tonnage looks like.
6. I haven't claimed 5500 tons, merely pointed out how and why some creative official could get to a number of 5x the displacement of Jamaran (5x1500>7500, 5x1100> 5500) for a ship that actually isn't 7500 full load displacement but 5500 ton full load displacement. It is called a scenario, which is a very commonly used tool. We all know government officials always tell the truth, don't we. Note I did not claim 5500 tons fld.
7. Your criticism was that the initial model was so small and not to scale. I would like to point out that a 1:10 or 1:20 model is far more likely to be to scale and certainly not small. Who are these folks and what are they standing in front of? For whom are these models made anyway? Why would they NOT make such large models to scale? What kind of facility is that, anyway, since it is obviously not JUST doing something with models?
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Rear Admiral Habibollah Sayyari, the commander of the Iranian Navy as of 2013
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General Abdolrahim Mousavi is the Chief of the Joint Staff of the Iranian armed forces.