Penguin
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To do what, exactly? That is the difference between you and me, I have no ideological/propaganda agendaTake a tour of what Iran has achieved in different scientific fields and you will have your answer. there is no twist in what I am saying, it is all facts, the only twisting guy I am seeing here is Penguin, and the name fits you well, although your legs are too short for a good twist dance, it is obvious that you are trying your best with no avail.
I back up what I say with public sources, unlike you. Government statements alone (i.e. no confirmation from multiple other, independent sources) is insufficient proof. Again, I dare you to point out where I've been negative about Iran or it's capabilities. This is something that is in your head, not in my words.You just confirm what I am telling you with Wiki articles everytime and come back to your imagined incapacity of Iran to come up with high tech solutions. To your dismal Iran is not unveiling its specs, but they tell you that they have very advanced armaments in par with the West, and the proof can be found if you make a thorough tour of their achievements in the last 10 years
There are more than a few countries, besides key players like Russia, China, US, UK, France, Germany that have come up or are in the proces of making indigenous tanks, combat aircraft, naval combattants, uav's, even nukes. That doesn't automatically make those products the best in business.They even came up with a fifth generation design of a fission nuclear bomb to fit their missiles warheads designs that baffled the world experts, just to show them where they are technology wise without wanting to build it. Sejil2 and the latest UAVs are also good examples of Iran's unique high tech missile and aerospace designs, you can also look at Jamaran 1 and 2, their own Tanks, the 5th generation of their Saeqa fighter planes and their mastery of the whole cycle of nuclear technology to say the least .
Trust but verify. Just because they says something doesn't mean you can stop thinking for yourself and seek additional confirmation.They are not displaying much, but these samples show that they do not lie in their statements about their achievements, they usually prove it concretely.
I'm not chasing anything. If you bothered to look back at the start of this thread, I have actually been cautiously positive about it, Apparently this has totally escaped you. I do try to look critically at in formation and conclusions people draw from a given set of information. I sincerely hope you learn to handle that.This is why I do not want to argue with you as I already told you; you are chasing a ghost, you can find more information on the Fateh submarine if you go back a few years in your search, and some of them are quite extensive, still, you won't find any specs since they just can not disclose them in this situation of heavy sanctions and threats.