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Not at all, matter a fact Buddhism was pretty much in a complete decline all over the subcontinent after the Guptas and Palas who patronized the religion. In 700 AD Sindh was under the Brahmin dynasty.


Also here are a direct quote from the arabs about Sindh.

This was first confrontation between Rashidun Caliphate and Hindu kingdom in Baluchistan. In response of Caliph Umar’s question about the Makran region, the Messenger from Makran who bring the news of the victory told him:
“ 'O Commander of the faithful!
It's a land where the plains are stony; Where water is scanty; Where the fruits are unsavory Where men are known for treachery; Where plenty is unknown; Where virtue is held of little account; And where evil is dominant; A large army is less for there; And a less army is use less there; The land beyond it, is even worst (referring to Sind).
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Umar looked at the messenger and said: "Are you a messenger or a poet? He replied “Messenger”. Thereupon Caliph Umar, after listening that Sindh was a barren and poor land and the unfavorable situations for sending an army, instructed Hakim bin Amr al Taghlabi that for the time being Makran should be the easternmost frontier of the Rashidun Caliphate, and that no further attempt should be made to extend the conquests. This was mainly because of Umar's policy of consolidating the rule before conquering more land. The same year in 644 Umar had already rejected the proposal by Ahnaf ibn Qais, conqueror of Khurasan, of crossing Oxus river in north to invade central Asia and in west similarly he had called back Amr ibn al-Aas who marched to north Africa and had captured Tripoli. Thereupon on of the commander of Islamic army in Makran is reported to have said the following verses:
“ If the Commander of faithful wouldn’t have stopped us from going beyond, so we would have bought our forces to the temple of prostitutes ”
Referring to the Hindu Temple in interior Sind where prostitutes use to give a part of their earning as charity.




Its so funny how those central asian and middle eastern conquerors brain washed you. :eek::lol:

They were conqueror's of hearts as well as Empires.

Reasons for success
Muhammad bin Qasim's success has been partly ascribed to Dahir being an unpopular Hindu king ruling over a Buddhist majority who saw Chach of Alor and his kin as usurpers of the Rai Dynasty.[4] This is attributed to having resulted in support being provided by Buddhists and inclusion of rebel soldiers serving as valuable infantry in his cavalry-heavy force from the Jat and Meds.[11] Brahman, Buddhist, Greek, and Arab testimony however can be found that attests towards amicable relations between the adherents of the two religions up to the 7th century.[12]
Along with this were:
Superior military equipment; such as siege engines and the Mongol bow.[4]
Troop discipline and leadership.[4]
The concept of Jihad as a morale booster.[4]
Religion; the widespread belief in the prophecy of Muslim success, as well as the Hindu Dahir's marriage to his sister which alienated him from others.[4][12]
The Samanis being persuaded to submit and not take up arms because the majority of the population was Buddhist who were dissatisfied with their rulers, who were Hindu.[12]
The laboring under disabilities of the Lohana Jats.[12]
Kind treatment of local population regardless of their beliefs.[13]
Defections from among Dahirs chiefs and nobles.[1
 
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Gandhara remained a largely Buddhist land until around 800 AD, when the Pashtun people invaded the region from Southern Afghanistan and introduced the Islamic religion.
Most Buddhists in Punjab reverted to Hinduism from 600 AD onwards. Buddhism was the faith practiced by the majority of the population of Sindh up to the Arab conquest by the Umayad Caliphate in 710 AD


Buddhism in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Sindh you are right, it seems the Arab invasion has convert many people in Sindh.


Which I was right as well, after the decline of Guptas and Palas Buddhism declined. Pakistan it declined because of invasions.
 
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Gandhara remained a largely Buddhist land until around 800 AD, when the Pashtun people invaded the region from Southern Afghanistan and introduced the Islamic religion.
Most Buddhists in Punjab reverted to Hinduism from 600 AD onwards. Buddhism was the faith practiced by the majority of the population of Sindh up to the Arab conquest by the Umayad Caliphate in 710 AD

In Sindh you are right, it seem the Arab invasion has convert many people in Sindh.

Buddhism in Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Punjabi people do tend to be very tolerant - and Buddhism is a nice way of life.
 
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Pakistan was largely Buddhist when MBQ came to Sindh, that is why idols to this day are called Budd in the local languages, and we do not know the religion of the Ancients, their language has not been decipher-ed.

Just for your knowledge, Buddhism emerged from mainstream Hinduism, until the message spread from Bodh Gaya to the rest of the world. I would know this because I am myself a Buddhist. So before Buddhism, mainstream Hinduism was the way of life of modern day Pakistan.

As for the "ancient language", the language making linguistic sense is Vedic Sanskrit, the ancestor of all Indian languages as well as quite a handful of foreign languages. Though the Sanskrit of that era was much more intricate, a well versed scholar in Vedas or for that matter Sanskrit literature itself shouldn't have problems deciphering the language at all.
 
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Then one should remember about the Nalanda University in Jharkhand which was constructed by king Harshavardhana was one of the most learning centres of ancient India.

Nalanda is in Bihar and so is Vikramshila...
 
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Just for your knowledge, Buddhism emerged from mainstream Hinduism, until the message spread from Bodh Gaya to the rest of the world. I would know this because I am myself a Buddhist. So before Buddhism, mainstream Hinduism was the way of life of modern day Pakistan.

As for the "ancient language", the language making linguistic sense is Vedic Sanskrit, the ancestor of all Indian languages as well as quite a handful of foreign languages. Though the Sanskrit of that era was much more intricate, a well versed scholar in Vedas or for that matter Sanskrit literature itself shouldn't have problems deciphering the language at all.

Pakistan has always been a conduit for different ideas - being as it is on the edge of different civilizations, Persia, the Middle East, China etc.


Example - Persian song sung by Pakistani Pashtuns Zeb and Haniya. :pakistan:
 
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These stupid arguments have a time line. Only till judgement day. lolz.
 
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It might be a little offtopic.. I heard German evolved from Sanskrit..eg Lufthansa
 
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Turkish song sung by Pakistani Pashtun's Zeb and Haniya. :pakistan:

So you see, Pakistani is the result of countless different people's mixing with the indigenous people to create this kaleidoscope of culture and colors.
 
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Pakistan has always been a conduit for different ideas - being as it is on the edge of different civilizations, Persia, the Middle East, China etc.


Example - Persian song sung by Pakistani Pashtuns Zeb and Haniya. :pakistan:

You're referring to a much later time when Greeks, Persians etc had empires reaching and intersecting ancient Indian empires. I am talking of a time much before Alexander or Cyrus ever considered taking commands of their empires. But of course, you're free to deny this if you want.
 
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You're referring to a much later time when Greeks, Persians etc had empires reaching and intersecting ancient Indian empires. I am talking of a time much before Alexander or Cyrus ever considered taking commands of their empires. But of course, you're free to deny this if you want.

Even during the time of the IVC and before that there is considerable evidence of trade with China, Mesopotamia, Sumeria etc - so this process has always been around, basically ever since their have been humans. Pakistan as a land is as ancient as humanity is.

The oldest evidence of human life (100,000 to 150,000 years ago) in Pakistan, Soan Culture, was found in the Soan River valley - cradle of humanity itself.
 
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A nice document on Ancient Indian Civilianization

A must watch

 
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IVC belongs to Pakistan.

:pakistan:

Map.Mohenjo.Daro.Harappa.jpeg


Mohenjodaro and Harappa are in Pakistan. :)
 
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