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An Unbelievable picture from Kabul, 1969,
Ladies going shopping in colorful shorts, Los Angeles in 1960
FACT CHECK: Were Women Allowed To Wear Mini Skirts In 1970s Afghanistan?
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Ladies going shopping in colorful shorts, Los Angeles in 1960
True pictures of your arabian masters. Most good looking people as per pakistani's.
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These Indian trolls are epic. Every time when US Pak relations have some twists, their cyber hunuman troll army is crawling on this forum as cheerleaders of Yankswhy would we burn lol most probably these people are dead by now.
AND sorry @Zibago your thread has entered Middle ages Arabia through Afghanistan .. you should be thankful to Indians
Actually this country Pakistan is located on your land and we snatched it from you to make it our countryWe got our freedom , Pakistanis are still slaves
That's why you are here on this forum with a full Indian troll army considering it your land and you must have to interfere in it's matters
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What a shameless liar you are, read thisIn Kerala keeping the top uncovered is a sign of respect.
Its the british who forced people to cover their top due to "victorian morality". So its not enough to push propaganda, you need to know reality.
LOL...what cities ?
Here's How Kerala's 150-Year-Old Tradition Of Forcing Woman To Keep Their Breasts Uncovered Came To An End
At a time when even the British hadn't made their arrival in India, a part of our nation was plagued by an inhumane practice against women. This social evil prevented womenfolk of Travancore to keep their upper bodies completely bare of clothing. It was a struggle that lasted for a good century and a half, was abolished after the English passed a law, and eventually paved the way for a more intelligent and modern state of Kerala.
1. 150 years ago, women covering their breasts was considered a crime. The practice continued till the middle of the 19th century.
SPEAKING TREE
2. Only upper caste women belonging to Namboodiri, Brahmin, Kshatriya and Nair clans were allowed to cover their breasts.
SPEAKING TREE
3. The womenfolk of the lower caste clans were therefore subject to the inhumane practice of laying their breasts bare.
SPEAKING TREE
4. Still, rules applied to castes differently. A Kshatriya women had to lay her upper body bare in front of Brahmins, a clan of superior beings. However, fearing punishment, almost all women of different castes chose to keep themselves uncovered.
SPEAKING TREE
5. But this didn't stop the evil from spreading. Once when a queen saw a dalitwomen in her palace covered with clothing, she ordered the latter to have her breasts cut off.
SPEAKING TREE
6. The royals also didn't pay any heed to the social evil. Whenever the king's entourage made a public appearance in the city, the upper caste women showered flowers onto them with no clothes covering their own assets.
SPEAKING TREE
7. At the beginning of the 19th century, however, things started to look better. Workers ventured out from Kerala to Sri Lanka, became aware of social rights and adopted Christianity which allowed women the freedom to cover themselves within and outside the house.
SPEAKING TREE
8. But men took this change as a personal insult and added injury to the change by violently attacking women and tearing their clothes off.
SPEAKING TREE
9. The battle continued even after the Blue Diwan of Travancore passed the declaration that allowed women to cover their breasts in 1814. But some women took it upon themselves to retaliate and came forward with their entire bodies covered.
SPEAKING TREE
10. It was only 26 July, 1859, with the advent of British that a law was passed to put a stop to this social evil and finally liberating the women from the tentacles of male prejudices.
http://www.indiatimes.com/lifestyle...-breasts-uncovered-came-to-an-end-248107.html
Why the butt hurt ?
NO lies have been posted, all pictures are factual.
You had a burn when I posted Afghan pictures, now you have a stomach ache when I am posting pictures from Arabia.
Enjoy some arabian dance music,
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this is my last post in this thread
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Cherrypicked photos of a westernized elite and foreign tourists does not equate to miniskirts being the norm in 1970s Afghanistan. Its like saying jeans is the norm in Pakistan because some women in Lahore, Karachi and Islamabad wear them. The vast majority of the population lives in smaller cities and villages, and jeans certainly are not the norm there. I will if I want to however find plenty of pictures online of Pakistani women wearing jeans to fool outsiders into thinking jeans are the norm in Pakistan.
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What a shameless liar you are, read this
Here's How Kerala's 150-Year-Old Tradition Of Forcing Woman To Keep Their Breasts Uncovered Came To An End
At a time when even the British hadn't made their arrival in India, a part of our nation was plagued by an inhumane practice against women. This social evil prevented womenfolk of Travancore to keep their upper bodies completely bare of clothing. It was a struggle that lasted for a good century and a half, was abolished after the English passed a law, and eventually paved the way for a more intelligent and modern state of Kerala.
1. 150 years ago, women covering their breasts was considered a crime. The practice continued till the middle of the 19th century.
SPEAKING TREE
2. Only upper caste women belonging to Namboodiri, Brahmin, Kshatriya and Nair clans were allowed to cover their breasts.
SPEAKING TREE
3. The womenfolk of the lower caste clans were therefore subject to the inhumane practice of laying their breasts bare.
SPEAKING TREE
4. Still, rules applied to castes differently. A Kshatriya women had to lay her upper body bare in front of Brahmins, a clan of superior beings. However, fearing punishment, almost all women of different castes chose to keep themselves uncovered.
SPEAKING TREE
5. But this didn't stop the evil from spreading. Once when a queen saw a dalitwomen in her palace covered with clothing, she ordered the latter to have her breasts cut off.
SPEAKING TREE
6. The royals also didn't pay any heed to the social evil. Whenever the king's entourage made a public appearance in the city, the upper caste women showered flowers onto them with no clothes covering their own assets.
SPEAKING TREE
7. At the beginning of the 19th century, however, things started to look better. Workers ventured out from Kerala to Sri Lanka, became aware of social rights and adopted Christianity which allowed women the freedom to cover themselves within and outside the house.
SPEAKING TREE
8. But men took this change as a personal insult and added injury to the change by violently attacking women and tearing their clothes off.
SPEAKING TREE
9. The battle continued even after the Blue Diwan of Travancore passed the declaration that allowed women to cover their breasts in 1814. But some women took it upon themselves to retaliate and came forward with their entire bodies covered.
SPEAKING TREE
10. It was only 26 July, 1859, with the advent of British that a law was passed to put a stop to this social evil and finally liberating the women from the tentacles of male prejudices.
http://www.indiatimes.com/lifestyle...-breasts-uncovered-came-to-an-end-248107.html
LOL I am from kerala and I know my history Far better than you. Open a new thread and I will educate you.
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Badkari bahi read this you are Malyali?
Kerala’s Casteist Breast Tax And The Story Of Nangeli
Believe it or not, but there was a time in the early 19th century when women in Kerala had to pay a Mula karam or breast tax to be able to cover their chest with a cloth. Fast forward to 200 years later and the tussle between making a Muslim woman wear a burqa and trying to force her out of it is still on. It makes you wonder whether it is even about how much or how less a woman wears. Or is it just the context? The context being drawing the lines women can or cannot cross. Looking back into history, it becomes more and more obvious that it isn’t specifically about what women are being forced to do, but that laws and social norms always have a say over it more than women themselves.
Back in the early 1800s, both men and women of the lower caste – mainly the Nadar and Ezhava communities – weren’t allowed to cover their chests in front of members of the upper caste. This was considered a sign of modesty and it was important they complied. Clothing was considered a sign of wealth and prosperity and the poor and the lower-castes were simply not entitled to it. This was a time when the caste system in Kerala was at its oppressive peak. In his book, ‘Native Life in Travancore’, Samuel Mateer talks about a list of almost 110 extra taxes that only the members of the lower caste were burdened with. He describes its ‘miserable interference with trade and industry, social freedom and domestic comfort’. It was a system that ensured that the lower castes remained in a cycle of debt and poverty while the upper caste Brahmins and Nairs thrived. But the Nair women were not exempted from the purview of this oppressive system either, they too weren’t allowed to cover their chests in front of Brahmins and while entering temples, to induce modesty.
This period saw the emergence of the Roman Catholic and Syrian Christian community. As the system became increasingly oppressive, conversion into Christianity was seen as a ticket to a better life. Christian women were allowed to cover their breasts with a jacket-like blouse known as the kuppayam. Yet, they were barred from wearing the upper-cloth the way Nair women did, who wrapped the cloth around the torso in a specific style. This was to keep the hierarchy between the two distinct and obvious. The Christian Nadar women were not entirely happy with this proposition and demanded that they be allowed to wear the upper cloth the way Nair women did. As the influence of Christianity increased, the resentment that the upper caste held for them also grew. This culminated in a series of violent clashes in the Travancore region of Southern Kerala in what came to be known as the Channar Revolt or the Channar Lahala. Churches and houses were burnt down and women who wore blouses were stripped in public. However, the book titled Religion and Social Conflict in South Asia confirms that,
“After several years of rebellion on the part of the Nadars and violent repression on part of the caste Hindus, especially the Nairs, it was the direct intervention of the British governor of Madras that brought about the two proclamations from the kings of Travancore, one in 1859, by Maharaja Utram Thirunal and the other in 1865 by Maharaja Ayilyam Thirunal, abolishing the restrictions concerning ‘uppercloths.’”
The Channar Mutiny (or revolt) sometimes also referred to as the Maaru Marakkal Samaram is said to have been one of the very first struggles for female liberation in Kerala. Historian Joy Balan Vlaathangara explains the impact of this rebellion in his book ‘Vaikuntaswamiyum Samoohika Navothanavum’.
“Cries for equality began to rise not just from various parts of Kerala, but from the whole of South India after the Channar Mutiny. The agitation to end ‘oozhiyam vela’ or work without pay, the agitation to secure entry into temples, the agitation to secure the right to walk on public roads, all these struggles that went on to change the face of Kerala were inspired by the success of the Upper Cloth Mutiny.”
Of all the forms of rebellion that formed part of the Maaru Marakkal Samaram, the story of a woman named Nangeli stands out; a story that has become symbolic of the struggle. Nangeli belonged to the central region of Kerala, in a place called Cherthala. The breast tax or the Mula Karam, which was one among the many oppressive taxes levied on the lower caste, meant that a woman was granted the right to cover her breasts only if she paid a fee to the government. In the year 1803, Nangeli was brave enough to unflinchingly defy the orders of the state. When news spread of her defiance, the parvathiyar or the tax collector arrived at her house to collect money. It is said that, instead of placing the money in a plantain leaf, she cut off her breasts with a sickle knife and presented it to him. Her body succumbed to the excessive bleeding and she died the same day.
Also in protest of the breast tax, her husband Chirukandan jumped into her funeral pyre out of grief, committing suicide. “Nangeli’s story is unique also for the fact that it is the first recorded instance of a man committing sati,” says Ajay S. Sekher to The Hindu, a teacher of English at the Tirur centre of Sree Sankaracharya University of Sanskrit. Following the death of Nangeli, the breast tax system was annulled in Travancore. The place she lived came to be known later as Mulachiparambu (meaning land of the breasted woman). Nangeli’s sacrifice came to be known throughout the state and is talked about to this day. Yet, the fact that this iconic hero has no mention in Kerala’s official history records is heartbreaking.
In light of the Channar Revolt, this Malayalam article published on the website Azhimukham, writes about the #ReadyToWait campaign by women in Kerala that opposes allowing their entry into the Sabarimala temple. The term azhinjadikal, which roughly translates into ‘loose women’ in English, is frequently being used to describe women who are opposed to the said campaign. In the article, the writer reminds us that the term was also used in the past to describe the Nadar women of Travancore who led the Channar revolt. They were never ‘blessed’ or approved of by society, but it was these ‘loose women’ who secured the right for women in Kerala to dress the way they want to. This is exactly why the role and the battles of these so called ‘loose women’ can never be downplayed.
It is also why it matters to keep fighting at every point. There will always be people who say ‘it isn’t as bad as it used to be’ and that modern feminists are fighting for causes that don’t really matter. But this isn’t true. The scale of the impact of these battles will only be put into perspective with the passage of time, when the bigger picture begins to form. Any fight that takes us even an inch closer to a society with gender equity is important. In a world that has oppressed women from the beginning of time, why should we stop at anything less than equality?
https://feminisminindia.com/2016/09/12/kerala-breast-tax-nangeli/
there are images also but can't post topless women here.
Badkari bahi read this you are Malyali?
Kerala’s Casteist Breast Tax And The Story Of Nangeli
Believe it or not, but there was a time in the early 19th century when women in Kerala had to pay a Mula karam or breast tax to be able to cover their chest with a cloth. Fast forward to 200 years later and the tussle between making a Muslim woman wear a burqa and trying to force her out of it is still on. It makes you wonder whether it is even about how much or how less a woman wears. Or is it just the context? The context being drawing the lines women can or cannot cross. Looking back into history, it becomes more and more obvious that it isn’t specifically about what women are being forced to do, but that laws and social norms always have a say over it more than women themselves.
Back in the early 1800s, both men and women of the lower caste – mainly the Nadar and Ezhava communities – weren’t allowed to cover their chests in front of members of the upper caste. This was considered a sign of modesty and it was important they complied. Clothing was considered a sign of wealth and prosperity and the poor and the lower-castes were simply not entitled to it. This was a time when the caste system in Kerala was at its oppressive peak. In his book, ‘Native Life in Travancore’, Samuel Mateer talks about a list of almost 110 extra taxes that only the members of the lower caste were burdened with. He describes its ‘miserable interference with trade and industry, social freedom and domestic comfort’. It was a system that ensured that the lower castes remained in a cycle of debt and poverty while the upper caste Brahmins and Nairs thrived. But the Nair women were not exempted from the purview of this oppressive system either, they too weren’t allowed to cover their chests in front of Brahmins and while entering temples, to induce modesty.
This period saw the emergence of the Roman Catholic and Syrian Christian community. As the system became increasingly oppressive, conversion into Christianity was seen as a ticket to a better life. Christian women were allowed to cover their breasts with a jacket-like blouse known as the kuppayam. Yet, they were barred from wearing the upper-cloth the way Nair women did, who wrapped the cloth around the torso in a specific style. This was to keep the hierarchy between the two distinct and obvious. The Christian Nadar women were not entirely happy with this proposition and demanded that they be allowed to wear the upper cloth the way Nair women did. As the influence of Christianity increased, the resentment that the upper caste held for them also grew. This culminated in a series of violent clashes in the Travancore region of Southern Kerala in what came to be known as the Channar Revolt or the Channar Lahala. Churches and houses were burnt down and women who wore blouses were stripped in public. However, the book titled Religion and Social Conflict in South Asia confirms that,
“After several years of rebellion on the part of the Nadars and violent repression on part of the caste Hindus, especially the Nairs, it was the direct intervention of the British governor of Madras that brought about the two proclamations from the kings of Travancore, one in 1859, by Maharaja Utram Thirunal and the other in 1865 by Maharaja Ayilyam Thirunal, abolishing the restrictions concerning ‘uppercloths.’”
The Channar Mutiny (or revolt) sometimes also referred to as the Maaru Marakkal Samaram is said to have been one of the very first struggles for female liberation in Kerala. Historian Joy Balan Vlaathangara explains the impact of this rebellion in his book ‘Vaikuntaswamiyum Samoohika Navothanavum’.
“Cries for equality began to rise not just from various parts of Kerala, but from the whole of South India after the Channar Mutiny. The agitation to end ‘oozhiyam vela’ or work without pay, the agitation to secure entry into temples, the agitation to secure the right to walk on public roads, all these struggles that went on to change the face of Kerala were inspired by the success of the Upper Cloth Mutiny.”
Of all the forms of rebellion that formed part of the Maaru Marakkal Samaram, the story of a woman named Nangeli stands out; a story that has become symbolic of the struggle. Nangeli belonged to the central region of Kerala, in a place called Cherthala. The breast tax or the Mula Karam, which was one among the many oppressive taxes levied on the lower caste, meant that a woman was granted the right to cover her breasts only if she paid a fee to the government. In the year 1803, Nangeli was brave enough to unflinchingly defy the orders of the state. When news spread of her defiance, the parvathiyar or the tax collector arrived at her house to collect money. It is said that, instead of placing the money in a plantain leaf, she cut off her breasts with a sickle knife and presented it to him. Her body succumbed to the excessive bleeding and she died the same day.
Also in protest of the breast tax, her husband Chirukandan jumped into her funeral pyre out of grief, committing suicide. “Nangeli’s story is unique also for the fact that it is the first recorded instance of a man committing sati,” says Ajay S. Sekher to The Hindu, a teacher of English at the Tirur centre of Sree Sankaracharya University of Sanskrit. Following the death of Nangeli, the breast tax system was annulled in Travancore. The place she lived came to be known later as Mulachiparambu (meaning land of the breasted woman). Nangeli’s sacrifice came to be known throughout the state and is talked about to this day. Yet, the fact that this iconic hero has no mention in Kerala’s official history records is heartbreaking.
In light of the Channar Revolt, this Malayalam article published on the website Azhimukham, writes about the #ReadyToWait campaign by women in Kerala that opposes allowing their entry into the Sabarimala temple. The term azhinjadikal, which roughly translates into ‘loose women’ in English, is frequently being used to describe women who are opposed to the said campaign. In the article, the writer reminds us that the term was also used in the past to describe the Nadar women of Travancore who led the Channar revolt. They were never ‘blessed’ or approved of by society, but it was these ‘loose women’ who secured the right for women in Kerala to dress the way they want to. This is exactly why the role and the battles of these so called ‘loose women’ can never be downplayed.
It is also why it matters to keep fighting at every point. There will always be people who say ‘it isn’t as bad as it used to be’ and that modern feminists are fighting for causes that don’t really matter. But this isn’t true. The scale of the impact of these battles will only be put into perspective with the passage of time, when the bigger picture begins to form. Any fight that takes us even an inch closer to a society with gender equity is important. In a world that has oppressed women from the beginning of time, why should we stop at anything less than equality?
https://feminisminindia.com/2016/09/12/kerala-breast-tax-nangeli/
there are images also but can't post topless women here.
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Thanks to trolls. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breast_Tax
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nangeli
Nangeli
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nangeli is believed to have been an Ezhava woman who lived in the early 19th century at Cherthala in the erstwhile princely state of Travancore in India who is known for having cut off her breasts in an effort to protest caste-based "breast tax".
The tale is not officially recognised as a historical account.[1]
Story[edit]
Historically, the monarchies of what is now the Indian state of Kerala had kept lower caste people in conditions of slavery.[2] As a part of this, these people had to pay a range of taxes on items such as wealth, property, jewellery, the right to grow a moustache, wear footwear, or cover their breasts when in public.[3]
At this time, in the early years of the 19th century, Nangeli, a poor Ezhava woman from Cherthala in the erstwhile Kingdom of Travancore, protested the mulakkaram (breast tax system).[4] She refused to both uncover her bosom and pay the breast tax. When the pravathiyar (village officer) of Travancore, came to her home repeatedly asking her to pay tax, she became frustrated at the unjustness of her harassment.[5] To make her protest known, she chopped off her breasts and presented them to him in a plantain leaf.[6][7] She died the same day from loss of blood.[8]
Nangeli's husband, Chirukandan, seeing her mutilated body, overcome by grief, jumped into her funeral pyre committing suicide.[1] Following the death of Nangeli, a series of people's movements were set off and the breast tax system was ultimately annulled in Travancore.[9] The place she lived came to be known later as Mulachiparambu (meaning land of the breasted woman).[1]
@Gadkari
Now accept this fact that your ancestors / women made topless by superior caste Hindus.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nangeli
Nangeli
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Nangeli is believed to have been an Ezhava woman who lived in the early 19th century at Cherthala in the erstwhile princely state of Travancore in India who is known for having cut off her breasts in an effort to protest caste-based "breast tax".
The tale is not officially recognised as a historical account.[1]
Story[edit]
Historically, the monarchies of what is now the Indian state of Kerala had kept lower caste people in conditions of slavery.[2] As a part of this, these people had to pay a range of taxes on items such as wealth, property, jewellery, the right to grow a moustache, wear footwear, or cover their breasts when in public.[3]
At this time, in the early years of the 19th century, Nangeli, a poor Ezhava woman from Cherthala in the erstwhile Kingdom of Travancore, protested the mulakkaram (breast tax system).[4] She refused to both uncover her bosom and pay the breast tax. When the pravathiyar (village officer) of Travancore, came to her home repeatedly asking her to pay tax, she became frustrated at the unjustness of her harassment.[5] To make her protest known, she chopped off her breasts and presented them to him in a plantain leaf.[6][7] She died the same day from loss of blood.[8]
Nangeli's husband, Chirukandan, seeing her mutilated body, overcome by grief, jumped into her funeral pyre committing suicide.[1] Following the death of Nangeli, a series of people's movements were set off and the breast tax system was ultimately annulled in Travancore.[9] The place she lived came to be known later as Mulachiparambu (meaning land of the breasted woman).[1]
@Gadkari
Now accept this fact that your ancestors / women made topless by superior caste Hindus.
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Inside the elite quarters of Kabul an absolute majority of women in Afghanistan still lived a very basic life without rights
It proves freedom in society.
Respect for women in society.
Equal rights in society.
Equal opportunity in society.
It provides hope that one is not restricted by older customs and society is open enough to try new things.
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Supa powian are getting ready to capture Pakistan and Afghanistan along with Arabia
Why the butt hurt ?
NO lies have been posted, all pictures are factual.
You had a burn when I posted Afghan pictures, now you have a stomach ache when I am posting pictures from Arabia.
Enjoy some arabian dance music,
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