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The contours of India’s relationship with China have been tumultuous over the last six decades. From periods of great bonhomie in the mid fifties - the ‘Hindi-Chini Bhai Bhai’ years to hitting rock bottom in 1962 when both nations went to war over the boundary dispute, the relationship has seen great turbulence marked by venomous animosity over the ongoing boundary dispute. Besides the boundary dispute, India’s concerns are related to China’s role in supporting insurgent groups in India’s Northeast, and in its active support to Pakistan, particularly in the nuclear field.

Recent reports of Chinese incursions in parts of Indian territory led to public opinion being inflamed in India and a dangerous hysteria being created with both countries accusing each other of intruding into their territory.

However, the issues which bedevil the two countries remain a source of concern and have the potential to lead the two countries to war. While the possibility of armed conflict erupting as of now appears remote, our ability to repulse an attack on our eastern and northern borders with China needs to be analysed and understood in context. Paradoxically, the greater our ability to protect our frontiers, the less will be the likelihood of hostilities breaking out. The question to be asked is are we prepared and what more needs to be done?

China’s strategic traditions and domestic influences will thus have a great bearing on their military thinking and policy towards India. The practical manifestation of that policy would devolve around the following:

* Avoid a protracted conflict.
* Use and manipulate information and retain information dominance to shape the battlefield.
* Constrain the adversary.
* Inflict surprise.
* Control and manage escalation.

On the naval front, the previous Naval Chief, Admiral Sureesh Mehta had stated that China was shaping the maritime battlefield in the region and had cautioned that the Chinese are looking 20 years ahead. As per an official from the Indian Navy, China has increased its nuclear submarines in the Indian Ocean. These reports while a source of concern are not something which cannot be dealt with, given the time frames involved.

From the army point of view, a much greater push is required in improving infrastructure especially with respect to logistics and communications. Procurement of guns for the artillery needs to be expedited and thought needs to be given to match Chinese missile capability so as to achieve effective deterrence. The Air force needs to ensure it has a combat edge over PLAAF in Tibet for which appropriations in the defence budget may need to be readjusted. India should also focus on developing its naval capability with a power projectionist role giving greater emphasis on the ‘anti-access’ strategy. While the biggest Chinese vulnerability in the political sphere is present in the form of Tibet, with a possibility of serious domestic fallout for the Chinese, the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) is also a serious Chinese concern as nearly 60 percent of their oil passes through the Indian Ocean.

request opinions for the following questions

Perhaps the time has come to question the role of the defence secretary and other civilian officials in the Ministry of Defence rather than military personal.

Could we think of making the post of Defence Secretary redundant once the Chief of Integrated Defence Staff is created?

Could we think in terms of four ‘4 star’ ranked officers in theatre commands to look after India’s security concerns against China, Pakistan, the Indian Ocean Region and our nuclear assets rather than looked after by civil service officials ?

Could we have a National Security Advisor from the defence services rather than from the civil bureaucracy or the police services? These issues need to be debated, and hopefully, some will be implemented.
 
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No we are not. We only starts fire fighting when the fire reaches its peak. Till then we remain in illusions.

We don't have long term planning and execution on time.

The important things like modernization and up-gradation got entangles in endless delayed and procedures.

The most important thing like diplomacy by which we can have allays at the time of war or deter a possible war is in shambles.
 
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No we are not. We only starts fire fighting when the fire reaches its peak. Till then we remain in illusions.

We don't have long term planning and execution on time.

The important things like modernization and up-gradation got entangles in endless delayed and procedures.

The most important thing like diplomacy by which we can have allays at the time of war or deter a possible war is in shambles.

but you did not answer my last 4 questions
 
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No..not prepared.atleast mentally this is certain.
The Chinese have always tried to dominate the region including India and their intentions were never hidden and what they think about India and its northern territories. still GoI ignored the hilly regions totally.

Even when the icursions took place rcently by the Chinese soldiers,the GoI was sleeping and just kept on ignoring it.Today compared to india,China has a huge military build up and a better infrastrucrure in the border areas which clearly gives them an advantage over Indians.india has just cleared the 35 roads plan there whereas the Chinese now are building or may be alraedy built railway tracks.

when Pakistan builds a tunnel in its territory in the western border the GoI starts crying and complaining but when the Chinese helicopters fly in the Indian air space it just refuses to take notice of that inspite of the fact that we have already fought and lost a battle with the same country and in the same region.

In my opinion the Chinese have always dominated India though the picture is much better than what it was earlier.
If china dares anything like 62,the loss for both the sides will be almost equal.
 
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No..not prepared.atleast mentally this is certain.
The Chinese have always tried to dominate the region including India and their intentions were never hidden and what they think about India and its northern territories. still GoI ignored the hilly regions totally.

Even when the icursions took place rcently by the Chinese soldiers,the GoI was sleeping and just kept on ignoring it.Today compared to india,China has a huge military build up and a better infrastrucrure in the border areas which clearly gives them an advantage over Indians.india has just cleared the 35 roads plan there whereas the Chinese now are building or may be alraedy built railway tracks.

when Pakistan builds a tunnel in its territory in the western border the GoI starts crying and complaining but when the Chinese helicopters fly in the Indian air space it just refuses to take notice of that inspite of the fact that we have already fought and lost a battle with the same country and in the same region.

In my opinion the Chinese have always dominated India though the picture is much better than what it was earlier.
If china dares anything like 62,the loss for both the sides will be almost equal.

and i also need your opinion on the last 4 questions please :coffee:
 
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hey u said abt india facing the dragon,soon u will hear about

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hey u said abt india facing the dragon,soon u will hear about

indian toilets,no water in it,200% poverty,india is a failed nation,failed projects of agni,pritvi,akash,arihant,lca,arjun,nag,shivalik,A AD,PAD etc etc,3000% illiteracy,slums of india,J@K independence,sania mirza,IPL money laundering,kickoff from afgan,U.S master,Arunachal is south tibet,maoist trouble in 568 districts of india,falling jets,indian defeat in 62,65,71,99 wars,attack on sri lankan team,india backing ttp,bla,abc,bbc,cnn,xyz,mnop,bjp,tdp,rjd,etc,india n prostitution,child labour,adult labour,**** movies,bollywood,tollywood,kollywood,indians eating grass and ***$ and whatever,untouchables,dalit,mayawati,(oops her garland also)insurgency in assam,tamil nadu,kerala,karnataka,gujrat,bihar,delhi,haryana and andhra,isro's failure,chandrayan fail,gslv fail,pslv fail,slv fail,indian army do yoga,baba ramdev and nityanand swami(oops)

PLEASE STICK TO THE TOPIC PLEASE THANK YOU
 
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The contours of India’s relationship with China have been tumultuous over the last six decades. From periods of great bonhomie in the mid fifties - the ‘Hindi-Chini Bhai Bhai’ years to hitting rock bottom in 1962 when both nations went to war over the boundary dispute, the relationship has seen great turbulence marked by venomous animosity over the ongoing boundary dispute. Besides the boundary dispute, India’s concerns are related to China’s role in supporting insurgent groups in India’s Northeast, and in its active support to Pakistan, particularly in the nuclear field.

Recent reports of Chinese incursions in parts of Indian territory led to public opinion being inflamed in India and a dangerous hysteria being created with both countries accusing each other of intruding into their territory.

However, the issues which bedevil the two countries remain a source of concern and have the potential to lead the two countries to war. While the possibility of armed conflict erupting as of now appears remote, our ability to repulse an attack on our eastern and northern borders with China needs to be analysed and understood in context. Paradoxically, the greater our ability to protect our frontiers, the less will be the likelihood of hostilities breaking out. The question to be asked is are we prepared and what more needs to be done?

China’s strategic traditions and domestic influences will thus have a great bearing on their military thinking and policy towards India. The practical manifestation of that policy would devolve around the following:

* Avoid a protracted conflict.
* Use and manipulate information and retain information dominance to shape the battlefield.
* Constrain the adversary.
* Inflict surprise.
* Control and manage escalation.

On the naval front, the previous Naval Chief, Admiral Sureesh Mehta had stated that China was shaping the maritime battlefield in the region and had cautioned that the Chinese are looking 20 years ahead. As per an official from the Indian Navy, China has increased its nuclear submarines in the Indian Ocean. These reports while a source of concern are not something which cannot be dealt with, given the time frames involved.

From the army point of view, a much greater push is required in improving infrastructure especially with respect to logistics and communications. Procurement of guns for the artillery needs to be expedited and thought needs to be given to match Chinese missile capability so as to achieve effective deterrence. The Air force needs to ensure it has a combat edge over PLAAF in Tibet for which appropriations in the defence budget may need to be readjusted. India should also focus on developing its naval capability with a power projectionist role giving greater emphasis on the ‘anti-access’ strategy. While the biggest Chinese vulnerability in the political sphere is present in the form of Tibet, with a possibility of serious domestic fallout for the Chinese, the Indian Ocean Region (IOR) is also a serious Chinese concern as nearly 60 percent of their oil passes through the Indian Ocean.

request opinions for the following questions

Perhaps the time has come to question the role of the defence secretary and other civilian officials in the Ministry of Defence rather than military personal.

Could we think of making the post of Defence Secretary redundant once the Chief of Integrated Defence Staff is created?

Could we think in terms of four ‘4 star’ ranked officers in theatre commands to look after India’s security concerns against China, Pakistan, the Indian Ocean Region and our nuclear assets rather than looked after by civil service officials ?

Could we have a National Security Advisor from the defence services rather than from the civil bureaucracy or the police services? These issues need to be debated, and hopefully, some will be implemented.

While u have stated the obvious facts, it seems that our slumbering elephant is waking up. Well i will give my reasons; u must have heard how our defense chiefs have many a times stated about china and its capabilities, the announcement on cold start strategy which itself is worked out on the case of a two front war not only china !!! while on the infrastructure front there is lot to be done on the thinking they are moving ahead. Also when u have such a sensitive super power as neighbor u don't spill ur beans in public do you. However i agree that we have to be more assertive certain issues too.

I think the infrastructure too is slowly picking pace by the announcement of refurbishment of airfields in north east and also stationing of light artillery there as i read in media.

As for your questions:

1) Being a democratic country we couldn't do away with these people. Due to delays and other problems right now u may think of expending with them but then what difference would there be between an authoritarian state and a democratic one? It is because of these that we know that a LCA project is delayed by 25yrs or it cost 13,500 cr if not we would be thumping our chests saying we are the best with no clue towards actual situation.

2) The second suggestion is a little undecidable since both the DS and CID staff would be both working in same direction, however may be our civilian bosses would not be so comfortable letting go of this monitoring (if u know what i mean) , however i think CID would suffice since in my opinion he can do the job best.

3) An excellent suggestion since considering the size of this country theatre level command structures would give excellent on situation communiques and also situation can be evaluated and done with immediately

4) This is not possible because a NSA other than defence knowledge should also be experienced in diplomacy too. Though the NSA in india is not so important in other democratic countries the post carries good weight since in addition to providing threat related info he also should be able to advise on other fronts too like the possible actions (just not hawkish views)
 
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well if a boarder war happen its gonna be all about who can get more people in the fastest, air force will be secondary, navy wont matter at all, so all india has to do is focus on building more roads and track, ie infrastructure in the mountainous areas. and as a plus building better road and such is not provocative at all and will bring addition benefits for the people and all in all is a better solution than placing more air force units or moving more men to the region.
 
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