face of paf if...

[dexter]

If PAF can still get more access to used or blk 52 F-16s it will be a fair deal.
There is no match for US made arms.
Acquiring JF-17s and used F-16s is much cheaper and quick solution for a developing country for replacing Mirages and F-7s and then going for much better aircraft which might be FC-31 not until 2020 or 2025.
All jf-17s are BVR capable , this topic has been discussed to death.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

this is what if scenario and we are taking assumptions that usa would have permitted the sale of f 14 tomcat f 15 eagle or f 16.we were only allowed to chose one of these teen fighters and were also allowed to buy both A10 and E2 with them what would have been the paf capabilities today have we gone for other fighter then f16 with E2 and A10. pls don't troll as E2 and A10 both were offered and we rejected them on god know what bases

This is the face of PAF

http://ct.fra.bz/ol/fz/sw/i55/5/4/18/frabz-Nice-story-brah-Does-it-look-like-i-give-a-****-f59e87.jpg

 

[Shabi1]

Could you please tell us the reasons for PAF not buying JH 7

The JH-7 was offered to both Pakistan and Iran as export FBC-1 but when it first came out it had under powered engines and the intended production rate was 6 aircraft per year, this would have been a considerable delay in delivery.

 

[araz]

Hi,

I think the current upcoming JH7 B with aesa and all the upgrades would do the job. PAF needs an aircraft that can carry and deliver a heavy load----.

Even the USAF in its initial strikes against the taliban used B52 bombers for the shock and destruction effect.

When facing a million man army----planes like F 16 barely stings like a bee.

The only other reason for the lack of a medium sized bomber is that the pak military has decided to go for tactical nucs right from gitgo.

Sir.
The only reason we are having this debate is we are looking at the situation in isolation. For ground attack we have bought MLRs and are developing Nasr which will take care of that aspect without compromising platforms. PA will be relying more on missiles due to the enemy air defence which will make any incursion initially quite platform intensive. As to mistakes of the past we all have made them and lived with the consequences. PAF is no different. However the finances have been dire and contrary to what people here think acquiring platforms does not necessarily decrease the enemy's capability to acquire bigger and better armaments from the same or different vendors. It is the curse of being a small and poor country playing with big boys of the region. We need to be careful in our choices. If only our leaders had made half the effort in developing our economy on sound footings we would not be having this conversation today at all.
Araz

 

[A2Z]

I am very much convinced, that we must negotiate for F-22 .However,I find this impossible because US seems to have very strict stance.

No one can buy F-22. US Congress has banned the export of F-22 to anyone even Israel, Japan showed interest and was refused. F-22 assembly lines have been shut.

no matter how bad Chinese tech is j 10 still got aesa which is far far more better then a pulse Doppler of f 16.

It not just radar that decides whether you buy a jet or not. J-10 is not bad its one of the best. The thing is we have F-16 since a very long time and know it very well even today when we are about to enter 5th gen era a PAF pilot in F-16 sends chills down the enemy's spine. Power is not with the gun but the man pulling the trigger.

 

[Arsalan]

a 10 is far batter in cap role then any jet out there let alone f 16 and this ability would have come in handy in tribal wars as a10 would have provided real time support to our assets on ground not just preemptive strikes.

No one knew in 1980z that if we acquire this jet now we will be able to use it against TTP in 2010, that too, if we managed to keep them flying through the sanctions.

The situation have developed and we need solutions FROM today to address this problem not from 1980z,

 

[wiseone2]

this is what if scenario and we are taking assumptions that usa would have permitted the sale of f 14 tomcat f 15 eagle or f 16.we were only allowed to chose one of these teen fighters and were also allowed to buy both A10 and E2 with them what would have been the paf capabilities today have we gone for other fighter then f16 with E2 and A10. pls don't troll as E2 and A10 both were offered and we rejected them on god know what bases

A-10 is a good tank killer. I would not compare it to f-16
When was the E-2 offered ? It is only after the Israeli rout of Syria in 1982 folks realized the importance of AWACS aircraft. There was no way America would have offered the E-3 Sentry

 

[Basel]

Paf had screwed up in the 80's---they refused the purchase of Hawkeye and corsair---sheer stupidity on refusing hawkeye---. U S wanted to sell them---.

If true then what was the reason for refusing them? What capabilities corsair would have added?

 

[MastanKhan]

If true then what was the reason for refusing them? What capabilities corsair would have added?

Hi,

They should have taken the hawkeye---their analysis of the hawkeye was that it is a worthless system.

A-10 is a good tank killer. I would not compare it to f-16
When was the E-2 offered ? It is only after the Israeli rout of Syria in 1982 folks realized the importance of AWACS aircraft. There was no way America would have offered the E-3 Sentry

Hi,

I love the stupidity of the Indians---. I am in Utah in 1984----during the yearly there is military equipment on display in the small city that I am in---I start talking to one of the officers standing in front of the Cobra gunships---. During conversation he says---the gunships that Pakistani army has received from the u s are more advanced than those that the u s army has----

 

[Umair Nawaz]

They are reactionary rather than visionary. That is the issue with PAF. Instead of deciding the rules of the game for their adversaries, they play according to the rules set by their adversaries. By this I mean their procurement plans (if any).

same is the case with army as well infact all of tri services of armed forces

 

[rockstar08]

I feel sorry to say that PAF or PN both have no plans to modernize their force , for upcoming battles or Skirmishes..
Both PN and PAF is highly depending on Nukes ,that will save their A$$'s , and they neglect Conventional Strike Capability for Years , Sanctions are long gone , still i didnt see so many F-16's flying in Pakistani colors .. we should have at least 100 F-16's so far but we have only 76 if i am not wrong .. F-16's is becoming irrelevant in future warfare , this Generation is for Birds like Rafale , Typhoon , F-15's , F-18's , F-35 , J-Series , and all .. and we are just hanging between F-16's and Thunders , which we dont have in Numbers ... the half of 2015 is gone still not even a Single Jf-17's Block 2 comes out in the open ...