face of paf if...

[Hell hound]

PAF was offered the A-7 and then again in the 80s to defend against a possible Soviet attack via Afghanistan was offered F-5s, A-10s and Hawkeyes. Pakistan refused and lobbied for a multirole platform like the F-16 or F-18.

Once the F-16 was available there was no use in acquiring F-5s and A-10s. And there is no argument that the F-16 was the best choice and had the most effectiveness.

The only mistakes I think PAF planners made was not to acquire Mirage F-1s, had they been inducted they would have been upgradable to greater extent than the Mirage 3/5. Similarly the FBC-1/JH-7 would have been an excellent ground/naval strike platform if it was acquired when it first offered.

Now with the JF-17 and more F-16 inductions going on the only thing PAF needs to consider is to get a dedicated air superiority/interception aircraft.

a 10 is far batter in cap role then any jet out there let alone f 16 and this ability would have come in handy in tribal wars as a10 would have provided real time support to our assets on ground not just preemptive strikes.

 

[Dr. Strangelove]

whats the fuss it is in their blood they have done it again recently
remember j 11 and j 10

 

[Hell hound]

whats the fuss it is in their blood they have done it again recently
remember j 11 and j 10

don't know what the problem is kickbacks from Americans or lack of trust on Chinese tech.no matter how bad Chinese tech is j 10 still got aesa which is far far more better then a pulse Doppler of f 16.

 

[Sage]

PAF was offered the A-7 and then again in the 80s to defend against a possible Soviet attack via Afghanistan was offered F-5s, A-10s and Hawkeyes. Pakistan refused and lobbied for a multirole platform like the F-16 or F-18.

Once the F-16 was available there was no use in acquiring F-5s and A-10s. And there is no argument that the F-16 was the best choice and had the most effectiveness.

The only mistakes I think PAF planners made was not to acquire Mirage F-1s, had they been inducted they would have been upgradable to greater extent than the Mirage 3/5. Similarly the FBC-1/JH-7 would have been an excellent ground/naval strike platform if it was acquired when it first offered.

Now with the JF-17 and more F-16 inductions going on the only thing PAF needs to consider is to get a dedicated air superiority/interception aircraft.

FBC-1 with newer and more powerful engines is not a bad option even today !

 

[syedali73]

whats the fuss it is in their blood they have done it again recently
remember j 11 and j 10

They are reactionary rather than visionary. That is the issue with PAF. Instead of deciding the rules of the game for their adversaries, they play according to the rules set by their adversaries. By this I mean their procurement plans (if any).

 

[Paksanity]

a 10 is far batter in cap role then any jet out there

I think you meant CAS role. Well hypothetically yes but thing is A-10 is only viable when you have won air war. A-10 is pretty much defenseless against aerial interceptors. It doesn't even have Radar. For our region it doesn't fit the bill. We needed a survivable aircraft, something like F-16. Surely A-10 excels in CAS role compared to F-16 but in overall picture F-16 was the best choice. It was cheaper to buy, cheaper to operate so we could buy and fly more. F-16 is the most successful US fighter with more than 4500 copies around. With so many nations flying it, we were able to get spares from somewhere somehow. How would we have supported A-10? How many nations fly it?

Asking for F-22 is just asking to be embarassed. But we should show interest in F-35. That is for sale and many nations are lining up. For a western stealth aircraft it isn't outrageously expensive. At about $100-120 million, it may be an option to go for 15-18 copies.

 

[Rank]

Pakistan must get rid of this single engine aircrafts.... the world is going towards better aircraft which all are "Dual Engine". Pakistan must consider J31 right now and start working with chinese ... cuz in future we don't have much option except china.... we are here because of our ******** planners and USA.

 

[Paksanity]

Pakistan must get rid of this single engine aircrafts.... the world is going towards better aircraft which all are "Dual Engine". Pakistan must consider J31 right now and start working with chinese ... cuz in future we don't have much option except china.... we are here because of our ******** planners and USA.

I fail to see how US can be blamed. F-16s and AH-1s are star performers in Zarb-e-Azb! If international politics is the issue, well if you have to live in this world, learn to play this game!

 

[Viper0011.]

Read my post again:

I read it before I answered. The point I was trying to make, was there wasn't even a need to mention the -22. I think the J-20 is also off the table. J-31 is probably the only and best option for Pakistan. It can also help establish Pakistan's Stealth aviation industry.

 

[Hell hound]

we might be able to get f 22 by giving up our nukes.but

 

[CHI RULES]

I have learned that instead of buying so called cheap technology (the obsolete ones) ,it is far better to save some $$ and buy upgraded technology. During 1980s, it was far important to develop nuclear technology rather than depending on US offer (A7 corsairs) etc.
I am very much convinced, that we must negotiate for F-22 .However,I find this impossible because US seems to have very strict stance.Hence,again we are back to China who offers J-20 which seems to have similar design as compare to F-22.
Regards

Can we afford F22 even if offered by USA even F35 can't be aforded. Further it is even doubtful that China will offer J20 to Pak. Only option for future is J31 along with further developed versions of J10 and J11s.

 

[MastanKhan]

PAF was offered the A-7 and then again in the 80s to defend against a possible Soviet attack via Afghanistan was offered F-5s, A-10s and Hawkeyes. Pakistan refused and lobbied for a multirole platform like the F-16 or F-18.

Once the F-16 was available there was no use in acquiring F-5s and A-10s. And there is no argument that the F-16 was the best choice and had the most effectiveness.

The only mistakes I think PAF planners made was not to acquire Mirage F-1s, had they been inducted they would have been upgradable to greater extent than the Mirage 3/5. Similarly the FBC-1/JH-7 would have been an excellent ground/naval strike platform if it was acquired when it first offered.

Now with the JF-17 and more F-16 inductions going on the only thing PAF needs to consider is to get a dedicated air superiority/interception aircraft.

Hi,

I think the current upcoming JH7 B with aesa and all the upgrades would do the job. PAF needs an aircraft that can carry and deliver a heavy load----.

Even the USAF in its initial strikes against the taliban used B52 bombers for the shock and destruction effect.

When facing a million man army----planes like F 16 barely stings like a bee.

The only other reason for the lack of a medium sized bomber is that the pak military has decided to go for tactical nucs right from gitgo.

 

[IrbiS]

Hi,

I think the current upcoming JH7 B with aesa and all the upgrades would do the job. PAF needs an aircraft that can carry and deliver a heavy load----.

Even the USAF in its initial strikes against the taliban used B52 bombers for the shock and destruction effect.

When facing a million man army----planes like F 16 barely stings like a bee.

The only other reason for the lack of a medium sized bomber is that the pak military has decided to go for tactical nucs right from gitgo.

What about a wing of Strike Eagles for starter? 1 jet with 52 SDBs circling over Pekhawar at a time and see the tali run

Sir,

That is a very poorly phrased post by you. Son----one needs to use some brains----. Where would you get the blue prints from---and if you ever happen to get them----how are you going to keep them---they will find out and they will get them back from you----and how would you know if the blue prints have not been sabotaged----like in case of the composition of the compressor blades of the Chinese engines---.

Stolen is different than given---. They gave us the tomahawk---they gave us the drone---they took away the helicopter parts.

You want F22's from the U S----you want a half billion dollar plane----. Kid----do some justice to your title----is it earned or did you have buddies who made to vice chair----.

As he said even if we do get blue prints, are we making carbon fiber and aircraft garde aluminum in wazirabad or jet engines in Sialkot

 

[MastanKhan]

Read my post again:


That is our problem.We give up before even thinking of possible outcomes.Pakistan needs to act in same way as Chinese did.Get your hands on blue print design and draw your own technology.Stop relying on US.Establish,upgrade and replenish your own avionic industry.
Regards

Sir,

That is a very poorly phrased post by you. Son----one needs to use some brains----. Where would you get the blue prints from---and if you ever happen to get them----how are you going to keep them---they will find out and they will get them back from you----and how would you know if the blue prints have not been sabotaged----like in case of the composition of the compressor blades of the Chinese engines---.

Stolen is different than given---. They gave us the tomahawk---they gave us the drone---they took away the helicopter parts.

You want F22's from the U S----you want a half billion dollar plane----. Kid----do some justice to your title----is it earned or did you have buddies who made you vice chair----.

What about a wing of Strike Eagles for starter? 1 jet with 52 SDBs circling over Pekhawar at a time and see the tali run

Hi,

In the current format---the F 16 is perfect for the taliban hiding in that arena---until and unless pak military wants to flatten out every thing in sight in that area.

Heavy aircraft is needed for action against large military columns and troops that are concentrated over vast swaths of land---.

F 16's won't be putting much of a dent on them.

 

[IrbiS]

Hi,

In the current format---the F 16 is perfect for the taliban hiding in that arena---until and unless pak military wants to flatten out every thing in sight in that area.

Heavy aircraft is needed for action against large military columns and troops that are concentrated over vast swaths of land---.

F 16's won't be putting much of a dent on them.

I think F-15 Strike Eagle is heavy enough for us. If one take out 20 tanks with SDBs (maximum load is 52) then not bad